Bethel signs paycut

[splitsecond]

lol we are not trading for Jimmy G. we already managed to get a good deal from the Pats, it won't happen again.

 

[Reddog]

Thats called a business decision. Rather make 2M as a Cardinal than 0M as a free agent.


Good for him for signing it, and good for the Cards for making this happen. That contract we gave him was abominable. He's not a corner, hes a pure special teamer.

Yea that and he just saw Jefferson get paid so he is one and done. If he has a good year don't expect him to come back to the Cards in 2018. I like the thinking. Feels like a Patriot's move.

 

[Snakester]

Bethel needed to take this pay cut. He needs to prove himself all over again if he wants another decent contract.

 

[Vermont Maverick]

I have a different take.

1. I'm good with this move if we have something else planned, and need the cap space. Right now, we have over $20M in cap space. What we may be planning is extending Bucannon. We also have the little issue of David Johnson AND Golden coming up next year. If those are the big plans, Bethel's $2M savings THIS year doesn't do much.

2. If we don't do anything with that space, and Bethel has a great year, I don't like it. Cooper just signed for $5M. Marcus Cooper! Jefferson for $9M. Campbell $15M. Bethel played better late in the year when he got healthier. If he steps up at CB, we just let an ascending player out of a potentially good contract. I understand that right now, this contract is more in line with what he has produced, but if he steps up, we will regret it. And if we don't do something with the cap space, who cares if we just saved $2M. It won't matter.

Call me still pissed about Jefferson, but the organization was not at all proactive with him. He was showing signs of being a good player in 2015, and instead of signing him to something like 3 years for $12M, we lowballed him. That's showing a lack of foresight.

 

[Bert]

I have a different take.


Call me still pissed about Jefferson, but the organization was not at all proactive with him. He was showing signs of being a good player in 2015, and instead of signing him to something like 3 years for $12M, we lowballed him. That's showing a lack of foresight.

No that's called having a plan, setting ceilings for guys and if someone breaks the ceiling you say goodbye. There's this team in New England that has been operating this way for 20 years and it's worked out pretty well for them.

Bethel wont have a good year this year. He's not a good corner, plain and simple. PHENOMENAL special teams guy but it's very, very clear he will never be starting CB in this league.

 

[GuernseyCard]

There's a 29 year old QB up in Detroit making $22m on the last year of his deal.

 

[BigRedRage]

I have a different take.

1. I'm good with this move if we have something else planned, and need the cap space. Right now, we have over $20M in cap space. What we may be planning is extending Bucannon. We also have the little issue of David Johnson AND Golden coming up next year. If those are the big plans, Bethel's $2M savings THIS year doesn't do much.

2. If we don't do anything with that space, and Bethel has a great year, I don't like it. Cooper just signed for $5M. Marcus Cooper! Jefferson for $9M. Campbell $15M. Bethel played better late in the year when he got healthier. If he steps up at CB, we just let an ascending player out of a potentially good contract. I understand that right now, this contract is more in line with what he has produced, but if he steps up, we will regret it. And if we don't do something with the cap space, who cares if we just saved $2M. It won't matter.

Call me still pissed about Jefferson, but the organization was not at all proactive with him. He was showing signs of being a good player in 2015, and instead of signing him to something like 3 years for $12M, we lowballed him. That's showing a lack of foresight.

Golden and Johnson are both under contract next year too. I thought they had two years left each. I dont like coopers contract being so close as it could lead to us letting him go to keep chandler.

I feel like johnson and golden are must keep players.

 

[BigRedRage]

There's a 29 year old QB up in Detroit making $22m on the last year of his deal.

I want him to succeed palmer to bad

 

[BigRedRage]

with Fitz and palmer falling off of the books next year, we should be able to extend johnson and golden without issue. They along with pp21 are the future of this franchise IMO

 

[kerouac9]

with Fitz and palmer falling off of the books next year, we should be able to extend johnson and golden without issue. They along with pp21 are the future of this franchise IMO

If Fitz retires after this season, he'll still be $4.85M in dead money in 2018. If Carson Palmer retires after 2017, he'll put $6.625M in dead money in 2018.

This is gonna be a hot take, but I think you let David Johnson play out his contract and then franchise him for a season. He had 370 touches this season, which is real close to the limit. It's savage, but I think you run David Johnson's legs off and then let him leave.

 

[POISON]

If Fitz retires after this season, he'll still be $4.85M in dead money in 2018. If Carson Palmer retires after 2017, he'll put $6.625M in dead money in 2018.

This is gonna be a hot take, but I think you let David Johnson play out his contract and then franchise him for a season. He had 370 touches this season, which is real close to the limit. It's savage, but I think you run David Johnson's legs off and then let him leave.

Let him leave, are you kidding?

 

[BigRedRage]

If Fitz retires after this season, he'll still be $4.85M in dead money in 2018. If Carson Palmer retires after 2017, he'll put $6.625M in dead money in 2018.

This is gonna be a hot take, but I think you let David Johnson play out his contract and then franchise him for a season. He had 370 touches this season, which is real close to the limit. It's savage, but I think you run David Johnson's legs off and then let him leave.

yes but compared to the cap hit for those two this year, it is peanuts next year. We are going to have a TON of room next year if they both retire.

Personally, DJ has the potential to be the next AP. No way in hell do I do that and go back into the years and years of mediocrity at that position. I say give him a big extension next year, ride him out for 4-5 years, then do as you said.

 

[Shane]

If Fitz retires after this season, he'll still be $4.85M in dead money in 2018. If Carson Palmer retires after 2017, he'll put $6.625M in dead money in 2018.

This is gonna be a hot take, but I think you let David Johnson play out his contract and then franchise him for a season. He had 370 touches this season, which is real close to the limit. It's savage, but I think you run David Johnson's legs off and then let him leave.

Seems asinine when he could possibly have a career like an Emmitt or Curtis Martin, Eddie George, Ladainian etc.... just because you've ran him hard for 4 seasons doesn't mean he isn't good for four more... The kid is special and you of all people have griped about letting talent walk... He may be the most talented we've ever seen on this team...

 

[kerouac9]

Let him leave, are you kidding?

yes but compared to the cap hit for those two this year, it is peanuts next year. We are going to have a TON of room next year if they both retire.

Personally, DJ has the potential to be the next AP. No way in hell do I do that and go back into the years and years of mediocrity at that position. I say give him a big extension next year, ride him out for 4-5 years, then do as you said.

Yeah, you'll open up about $25M in cap space when Palmer and Fitz's salaries go off the books, but you also have to get a #1 wideout and a starting QB.

David Johnson will be 27 when his first contract runs out and 28 after a year on the franchise tag. I think RB salaries are falling so much that it could make sense to franchise him twice. I think you're still ahead then if you sign him to a deal for 5 years, $40M ($8M per year) after the 2017 season.

 

[kerouac9]

Seems asinine when he could possibly have a career like an Emmitt or Curtis Martin, Eddie George, Ladainian etc.... just because you've ran him hard for 4 seasons doesn't mean he isn't good for four more... The kid is special and you of all people have griped about letting talent walk... He may be the most talented we've ever seen on this team...

Or he could have a career like Doug Martin. You want to know how many seasons Eddie George averaged over 4.0 YPC after his fourth year? Zero. Even the great LDT was basically toast after his Age 28 season. Marshall Faulk was done at Age 29.

The difference is those guys came into the league at Age 21 and 22. David Johnson was a 24 year-old rookie.

 

[splitsecond]

We are getting peak K9 analysis today

 

[Cheesebeef]

okay... good. he's not worth anything close to 4.5 million. my question now becomes are we really going to go into the season AGAIN depending on a "failure in progress" who just had to take a 2 million dollar pay cut, the worst CB I've ever seen in Williams and a possible rookie to man a spot opposite PP?

If that's really the case, it's time for me to dial my already hoping against hope rose-colored belief that we still have one last shot.

A half-rebuild, half kind of go for more run just ain't gonna cut it. That would simply be a wasted year, IMO... unless we take a QB at 13. Then maybe i get it.

I don't know... just not a fan of the AARP off-season plan so far. I'm glad we're saving money... but for what end?

 

[Russ Smith]

If Fitz retires after this season, he'll still be $4.85M in dead money in 2018. If Carson Palmer retires after 2017, he'll put $6.625M in dead money in 2018.

This is gonna be a hot take, but I think you let David Johnson play out his contract and then franchise him for a season. He had 370 touches this season, which is real close to the limit. It's savage, but I think you run David Johnson's legs off and then let him leave.

Yeah I'm not entirely sure that's a good idea but it's certainly not a bad idea. As you said we used him so much last year if we do that again this year you have to start wondering how long his career will be. Sounds crazy but you may be right in thinking by the end of his first contract it might make sense to franchise him. as you said people forget he was an old rookie.

 

[Chopper0080]

If Fitz retires after this season, he'll still be $4.85M in dead money in 2018. If Carson Palmer retires after 2017, he'll put $6.625M in dead money in 2018.

This is gonna be a hot take, but I think you let David Johnson play out his contract and then franchise him for a season. He had 370 touches this season, which is real close to the limit. It's savage, but I think you run David Johnson's legs off and then let him leave.

100% agree. it is the smartest football move you can make, and is what I believe the Steelers are doing with Bell this year. Too much data supports moving on from RBs at the end of their initial contract + a franchise year.

 

[juza76]

They free up some cap for who?
I guess No one
Brandon Carr wont demand a lot

Just weird TJ McDonald is not signed yet
Was the best safety available, off field issues?

 

[Chopper0080]

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/forum/threads/when-do-we-consider-extending-dj.245843/#post-3455508

Funny that it wasn't a talking point when I said it in January, but when K9 says it OHHHHHHHHHHHHH K9 GOING CRAZY UP IN HERE!!!

(I need to earn that K9 board cred in the worst way)

 

[juza76]

Ok Johnson was born in december 91
Basically rookie enter in the nfl at age of 22/23
He was like 6/8 months older then the average
But usually rbs declare early, at 21/22, they ritire early , before being 30, johnson can hit the thirties I guess
Probably his role will change lately, becoming more a widereceiver
With his great hands has much more chance to extend his career

 

[cardncubfan]

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/forum/threads/when-do-we-consider-extending-dj.245843/#post-3455508

Funny that it wasn't a talking point when I said it in January, but when K9 says it OHHHHHHHHHHHHH K9 GOING CRAZY UP IN HERE!!!

(I need to earn that K9 board cred in the worst way)

Lol

 

[Reign Blood]

We are getting peak K9 analysis today

He's usually truthful.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Darrell Revis was cleared on all charges yesterday and he fits the Cards FA mode this year of getting older and slower .