Bettcher, Pagano, and McCoy

[azsouthendzone]

compared to..??

Compared to 27 other DCs. The fact this defense got better instead of folding when the offense was sinking is a major credit to Bettcher as well as the players. When the ship is sinking it's easy to jump. The D improved.

 

[gimpy]

I want a head coach that lets his OC and DC call the plays. So, he needs good ones.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Best quote from that Peter King article...and this matters: Word around the league is that Bettcher’s staff would be star-studded, with household names at both offensive and defensive coordinator, plus some of the game’s most proven and respected assistants at other spots. That alone can propel someone to the top of a head coaching search list. Besides Matt Patricia, there are no high-profile defensive-minded coaching candidates this year. There could be an opportunity for the quiet candidate from Arizona to emerge.

Why would Bettcher attract a star studded staff?

And what exactly is word around the league?

This sounds like something made up. Actually it sounds a LOT like “we are hiring Herm and keeping our coordinators! Oh we are not keeping our coordinators? Crap. Oh well we suck again because we aren’t getting what we planned on getting with no guarantees. “

 

[jbjarko]

I like Bettcher, think he has improved immensely. This defense was pretty impressive this year, especially given our offensive deficiencies. I'm not opposed to MB & SK kicking the tires on the theory. They certainly know Bettcher well enough and have likely already made a decision on whether or not it is a possibility.

 

[Mitch]

While Bettcher's defense improved the second half of the season, they still gave up too many leads. Like yesterday, only they got away with it with the missed FG. Couldn't get the biggest stops all year. The defensive stats are a mirage. But, Bettch has been improving, and that's good. But, to think he's now qualified to be BA's successor is pure folly---just as promoting him to DC to replace Bowles was a poor decision.

 

[azsouthendzone]

Why would Bettcher attract a star studded staff?

And what exactly is word around the league?

This sounds like something made up. Actually it sounds a LOT like “we are hiring Herm and keeping our coordinators! Oh we are not keeping our coordinators? Crap. Oh well we suck again because we aren’t getting what we planned on getting with no guarantees. “

Comparing this to ASU.........ok. Jurecki said that if Bettcher was hired McCoy and Pagano would come as well. That statement plus this article carries weight. Or we can just dismiss it .....because of ASU?

Either way Keim and Bidwill will put the team in a good spot. I am confident of that. They will make the right hire, not necessarily the popular one.

 

[sdscard4]

While Bettcher's defense improved the second half of the season, they still gave up too many leads. Like yesterday, only they got away with it with the missed FG. Couldn't get the biggest stops all year. The defensive stats are a mirage. But, Bettch has been improving, and that's good. But, to think he's now qualified to be BA's successor is pure folly---just as promoting him to DC to replace Bowles was a poor decision.

Don't agree. Yes D gave up points but lots of that was turnovers and short fields. To say promoting him was a mistake I don't buy that. I think he's a top 10 D coordinator. But not a mistake

 

[Jake6233]

Best quote from that Peter King article...and this matters: Word around the league is that Bettcher’s staff would be star-studded, with household names at both offensive and defensive coordinator, plus some of the game’s most proven and respected assistants at other spots. That alone can propel someone to the top of a head coaching search list. Besides Matt Patricia, there are no high-profile defensive-minded coaching candidates this year. There could be an opportunity for the quiet candidate from Arizona to emerge.

Yep thats what stood out to me when I first read that earlier but I'll admit I was kind of dubious lol. But seeing Jurecki report that he could get Pagano and McCoy backs up that passage alot.

 

[Solar7]

Why would Bettcher attract a star studded staff?

And what exactly is word around the league?

This sounds like something made up. Actually it sounds a LOT like “we are hiring Herm and keeping our coordinators! Oh we are not keeping our coordinators? Crap. Oh well we suck again because we aren’t getting what we planned on getting with no guarantees. “

My argument would be that BA still has a ton of clout. If he gives the sign off for the guy, then others will follow.

I probably use too many business analogies on this board, but my old boss vouched for me as he left the industry, and now some of "his guys" work for me.

 

[jbjarko]

My argument would be that BA still has a ton of clout. If he gives the sign off for the guy, then others will follow.

I probably use too many business analogies on this board, but my old boss vouched for me as he left the industry, and now some of "his guys" work for me.

I tend to agree, and wonder if BA put out the feelers for Betch.

 

[Arz101]

That sounds like a law firm.

 

[Solar7]

That sounds like a law firm.

"BPM - The Heartstoppers"

 

[Arz101]

"BPM - The Heartstoppers"

LOL!

 

[Cheesebeef]

By all means, yes, let’s keep the current ship in shape... even though it’s been out of the playoffs for two years, brings back less talent and will now los it’s HC, who 90% of the people here believe is great.

Continuing to trot out the sane team minus major FA and now HC departures sounds like a bang up recipe for success.

Cardinals fans have to learn how stop their loser syndrome where they cling to any level of success, even mediocrity.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

By all means, yes, let’s keep the current ship in shape... even though it’s been out of the playoffs for two years, brings back less talent and will now los it’s HC, who 90% of the people here believe is great.

Continuing to trot out the sane team minus major FA and now HC departures sounds like a bang up recipe for success.

Cardinals fans have to learn how stop their loser syndrome where they cling to any level of success, even mediocrity.

Why are you talking about FAs? The FA philosophy is a Keim/Bidwill thing, as much as it was BAs, so why expect that to change, regardless of how high profile of a coach is hired.

Bettcher, Patricia, etc...it doesn't matter. I don't think the Cards FA plan is going to change.

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[Cheesebeef]

Why are you talking about FAs? The FA philosophy is a Keim/Bidwill thing, as much as it was BAs, so why expect that to change, regardless of how high profile of a coach is hired.

Bettcher, Patricia, etc...it doesn't matter. I don't think the Cards FA plan is going to change.

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Jesus... is this really that hard to understand? I'm talking about continuing to keep holding on to the 2013-2015 team... even though we've lost major FAs from those teams and now are about to lose it's HC. You can't keep subtracting from something that was great and expect to see better results.

 

[Cheesebeef]

By all means, let's PROMOTE the DC who's defenses in the last three years have slid from the 5th best scoring D in the league in Bowles last season to 13th his first year, 14th his second year and 19th his final season.

Elevating mediocrity and the arrow turning downward is a great way for the team to get ahead.

And before you throw in "Oh, we had a bad offense this year!" or "Short fields and turnovers!" excuse for any of those years, that 2014 club's offense was atrocious as well and Bowles was still able to bring his D to the table almost every game regardless of points.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

By all means, let's PROMOTE the DC who's defenses in the last three years have slid from the 5th best scoring D in the league in Bowles last season to 13th his first year, 14th his second year and 19th his final season.

Elevating mediocrity and the arrow turning downward is a great way for the team to get ahead.

And before you throw in "Oh, we had a bad offense this year!" or "Short fields and turnovers!" excuse for any of those years, that 2014 club's offense was atrocious as well and Bowles was still able to bring his D to the table almost every game regardless of points.

The Cards defense is ranked 6th this year in yards allowed.

 

[sdscard4]

Is it chuck pagano or john

 

[Cheesebeef]

The Cards defense is ranked 6th this year in yards allowed.

that's nice. I was talking about scoring defense (which I specifically mentioned). Do they measure games by yardage at the end of games? Oh... no?

 

[Chris_Sanders]

that's nice. I was talking about scoring defense (which I specifically mentioned). Do they measure games by yardage at the end of games? Oh... no?

Can you dial back the butthole? I read your post and responded with a different stat. That is it.

Yards allowed is the first measured stat for a NFL defense.

 

[azsouthendzone]

Is it chuck pagano or john

Chuck

 

[Cheesebeef]

Can you dial back the butthole? I read your post and responded with a different stat. That is it.

Yards allowed is the first measured stat for a NFL defense.

Yeah... that’s what Kevin Greene told the Cowboys in the Super Bowl when he was crowing about how they held Emmitt under 100 yards.

Then they pointed to the scoreboard.

As to your second point, when our D’s point total is actually close to yards given up you’d have a point, but you don’t.

A good defense doesn’t give up 22.6 ppg and come in ranked there in the bottom half of the league. But if yards given up make you feel better after games, more power to you. Doesn’t do jack for me or Ws.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Can you dial back the butthole? I read your post and responded with a different stat. That is it.

Yards allowed is the first measured stat for a NFL defense.

I guess the Dennis Green 2005 Cardinals were playoff contenders then with their top ten yardage rankings in both offense and defense?

Oh... they were 5-11? That’s right. Maybe those rankings made you feel better about our record back then too.

 

[oaken1]

No.

This is purely BA trying to leverage whatever relationship savvy he has left to benefit a young guy he likes on his way out the door.

Pagano?? Not even a has been...he is a defeated man. The only thing he has managed to do is destroy Andrew Luck and you want him here?