Bickley/MJ reporting Horton wants out.

[O]

Yet, the source that says that is not going to happen is an agent who is to be trusted ?

It amazes me how people will call out others, and end up doing the EXACT thing they are calling others out for.

You find me the fountain of truthful sources, and I will take your gullible remark.

I hope you are completely right BTW.



And then repeated by Mike Silver.

Dude, you are guillible as the rest of us at times, so get off the pedastal. We all don't know jack, and will know soon.

ANd we will continue to talk about it, whether you call us all names or not.

How about if it is true ? You gonna apologize ?

Ease back buddy, just people talking football on a football message board.

If Jurecki is correct I will apoligize here and I will apoligize to him on twitter also.
BTW, sources confirmed by whom?
I stand by my comment that once a twit tweets something the rest of the twits pick it up, true or not, Mike Silver or whoever.
If you think I am calling you a name by using the term gullible: Make no mistake, if I were calling you a name it would be very definitive.

 

[GatorAZ]

Wow Jurecki called it. Didn't think it would get this ugly.

 

[Dayman]

I know I'm in the minority, but I won't be too broken up if Horton leaves. Unless he was guaranteed the HC spot at any point, he doesn't have a right to (allegedly) be this upset.

Odds are that the Cards will be getting a new QOTF in the next year or two. Trusting that QB with Horton and whatever offensive staff he could put together probably isn't the best idea. This offense is severely broken, and we need a head coach who can fix it. Horton likely isn't that guy.

Plus, he was a secondary coach two years ago. Now he's this bent about not being promoted to HC? Ray seems like more of a loose cannon every day. There's a lot of talent on this defense. Let's hope BA can find someone to put it all together (again, if this is true).

 

[NJCardFan]

Sounds like another Cardinals blunder in the making. What the hell is wrong with Arizona sports teams? The ownership sucks here. Plain sucks. Horton should of been hired already. What I thought could be the worst case scenario, is even worse. Now, our best hope is to get Arians signed and then go and get Rob Ryan. What a mess. I hope Horton does leave and then comes back and kick our ass.

Horton has 1 good year as DC and it automatically qualifies him as a head coach? Arians wasn't high on my list but at least he showed he could lead a team with a rookie QB. The Colts' success this season had more to do with him than Pagano. As for Horton, it's obvious he isn't ready to be a head coach. There's no shame in it. Maybe he'll get his shot next year. And if this story is true then maybe he should walk because he's showing everyone that he is a big baby. And he's wondering why he didn't get a HC job anywhere.

 

[Longcolts]

Mike Jurecki ‏@mikejurecki For those asking abt Ray Horton I was told he had a heated exchange w/ Steve Keim, thought he was the guy when McCoy took the Chargers job.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

If Jurecki is correct I will apoligize here and I will apoligize to him on twitter also.
BTW, sources confirmed by whom?
I stand by my comment that once a twit tweets something the rest of the twits pick it up, true or not, Mike Silver or whoever.
If you think I am calling you a name by using the term gullible: Make no mistake, if I were calling you a name it would be very definitive.

LOL.

No, not at all. I know you if you wanted to call names, you can write the poetry like an artist.

Just saying that this has been madness all weekend long. At this point, all the source are compromise, IMO.

If one source is bad, then they are all bad. Think about it, we are pitting tweets versus the words of agents, etc., etc.

If you are not guillable in terms of believing this, then you are guilliable for that.

If we kept sitting around talking about sources, then it would turn into a "Which news source is truthful" message board, it would never end.

It is all up in the air, so in my opinion, just talk about the speculation and rumors, at this point we all know that we don't know till we know.

Talking about it doesn't make you guillable, it makes you bored, and shows that you have a horrible addiction to talking about the Cardinals. What else we going to talk about ? Michael Bidwills haricut ? No. We will talk about the speculation, the rumors. It is an anxious situation, and if you are worry about this, then post something about. Maybe someone comes back with an idea, or point that you didn't think about, it makes you feel better.......or worse. Is it all based on speculative BS ? Yep. But, it is known it is, at least most of the time. And to be honest when are we not speculating ?


I know this.....Bruce Arians is the Head Coach, and Ray Horton is the defensive coach until it is said in black and white on the Cardinals website that something has changed.

Until then, we are just discussing rumors like teenage girls in a slumber party. While a little silly, it is quite fun.

As for the topics ? It is what it is. Something had to be done offensively, and it was done.

Does it effect Horton ? I don't know but Horton is a guy that is going to set the record straight, so we won't wait long.

 

[O]

Until then, we are just discussing rumors like teenage girls in a slumber party. While a little silly, it is quite fun.

It's all good brother.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Two things, IF Horton said he could deliver those 2 offensive coaches, and that's a big if, who's to say that Mikey would want to pay them waht they would cost. They would not come cheap.

Second, let's not get carried away with Horton prowess as a DC. He was good but there are also alot of good DC's out there. I remember alot of offenses racking up yardage in the run game against the Cards. I witnessed live the Cards defense let Alex Smith have a record setting 1st half.

Horton's a good coach but, by no means, is he irreplaceable.

 

[Totally_Red]

Two things, IF Horton said he could deliver those 2 offensive coaches, and that's a big if, who's to say that Mikey would want to pay them waht they would cost. They would not come cheap.

Second, let's not get carried away with Horton prowess as a DC. He was good but there are also alot of good DC's out there. I remember alot of offenses racking up yardage in the run game against the Cards. I witnessed live the Cards defense let Alex Smith have a record setting 1st half.

Horton's a good coach but, by no means, is he irreplaceable.

I actually thought Ray was probably the third best defensive-minded candidate looking for a head-coaching position this cycle. Lovie Smith and Mike Zimmer are at least as experienced and qualified as Ray IMO. Promoting Ray Horton may or may not have actually improved the offense and besides he wouldn't have been the defensive coordinator any longer anyway.

In a perfect world, I would love to have kept Ray Horton. But if he's disgruntled, good bye and good luck. Our offense has been moribund the last three years, and hopefully Bruce Arians will fix that.

 

[BigRedRage]

"Tough *******"

This is my favorite post of the year so far. Absolutely awesome. You reminded me that he was a questionable hire and a no-name two years ago who only got hired because Labeau couldn't interview.

I stayed at a holiday inn the night before

 

[cardpa]

For all of you who support Bidwill in this and want Arians or whomever is the OHC du jour---this is exactly what you ignored all along.

Ray Horton has a backbone---he knows what he brings and what he deserves---anything less than that is unacceptable.

I don't blame him in the least. And I have even more respect for him now than ever before---because he is not allowing himself to be yet another Bidwillian hostage.

This organization at the top is the biggest assortment of losers ever assembled---they don't really want to win---they want to act like they know what they are doing---you know, drop names out there like Peyton Manning and Andy Reid---and ignorantly think (or dream) that prideful NFL guys like PM and AR would be so desperate as to come to the Cardinals on the Bidwill's terms?

We have a thread where some of you actually are so hoodwinked still that you believe that "Bidwill played this right."

The reality is---

Bidwill once again has exposed himself as an NFL tyro and ignoramus---

First of all---look at the preposterous position he put HC candidates in: (a) dealing with his inept running of a franchise; (b) having to accept half of someone' else's staff; (c) having to agree to having kevin Kolb as your QB; (d) no cap space; (e) a rookie GM who is Bidwill's Igor;

In light of all this----The only ways the word "played" can be accurately be applied to Bidwill are:

He got "played" by Andy Reid & his agent.

Just as he got played in the Kevin Kolb deal.

The Bidwills got played by Mike McCoy and his agent. (And get this, McCoy has the same agent as Steve Keim---which was made to order for a package deal---except that Bidwill told Keim he wouldn't negotiate with Keim's agent---how's that for paving the way for hiring Mike McCoy?)

Now we know precisely why Keim had to sign on as the lowest paid GM in the NFL.

They even got played by Todd Haley who should be the most desperate to get another crack at an NFL HC gig and yet---would rather stay in Pittsburgh as a controversial OC.

They tried to play Horton...

And Horton sees it for what it is...

He was going to be outa here in a year anyway---why belabor the point?

Ray Horton wants to win.

It aint happening here.

And what many of you under-estimated is that a guy who is smart enough to figure out how to stifle the offenses of the two home NFC/AFC Championship game teams in their own stadiums...

Is certainly smart enough to want out of Loserdale.

Mitch I think you are so off base here it isn't funny. After two interviews and not getting hired common sense has to come into play and make you realize you are not going to get the job. No one else hired Horton either. Hint! Hint!

If it is indeed true that Horton now wants out of AZ then it only shows his inability to be a HC in the first place. If he can't see that no one thought he was HC material yet then he is so full of himself it is sad.

Yes we don't know exactly what went on behind closed doors however this happens all the time in the NFL. Do you see Gruden or Bevell whining because they didn't get a HC gig?

 

[JeffGollin]

It's 8:39 am ET in America.

The only thing new on the Horton front is that D Urban points out that Ray (a) is still under contract, (b) Bowles remains under contract to Philly and (c) Arians deferred commenting on Horton during his pre-hire media session.

Those are the facts.

Unconfirmed reports from "multiple sources" point to Horton being unhappy and/or his being "out" and Bowles "in." Also supporting this line of thinking is that Chip Kelly could be expected to bring in his own people, thereby making Bowles expendable

These are the rumors and logic.

The media has gotten in front of itself and stumbled more than once during the past few weeks. And we, the public, have been repeatedly punked. It's our own fault for rushing to judgment before all the boards were nailed down.

Before we repeat history and say dumb stuff based on faulty reality, we'd be well-advised to chill until all the actual facts are in.

I say this while terribly apprehensive about Horton's more than unlikely exit, but will bite my tongue and save the vitriol until we all know more.

 

[CtCardinals78]

It's 8:39 am ET in America.

The only thing new on the Horton front is that D Urban points out that Ray (a) is still under contract, (b) Bowles remains under contract to Philly and (c) Arians deferred commenting on Horton during his pre-hire media session.

Those are the facts.

Unconfirmed reports from "multiple sources" point to Horton being unhappy and/or his being "out" and Bowles "in." Also supporting this line of thinking is that Chip Kelly could be expected to bring in his own people, thereby making Bowles expendable

These are the rumors and logic.

The media has gotten in front of itself and stumbled more than once during the past few weeks. And we, the public, have been repeatedly punked. It's our own fault for rushing to judgment before all the boards were nailed down.

Before we repeat history and say dumb stuff based on faulty reality, we'd be well-advised to chill until all the actual facts are in.

I say this while terribly apprehensive about Horton's more than unlikely exit, but will bite my tongue and save the vitriol until we all know more.

It is also important to note the guy who has been reporting this is Jason "expect Andy Reid to be next Cardinals HC" LaConfora

 

[Duckjake]

Two things, IF Horton said he could deliver those 2 offensive coaches, and that's a big if, who's to say that Mikey would want to pay them waht they would cost. They would not come cheap.

Second, let's not get carried away with Horton prowess as a DC. He was good but there are also alot of good DC's out there. I remember alot of offenses racking up yardage in the run game against the Cards. I witnessed live the Cards defense let Alex Smith have a record setting 1st half.

Horton's a good coach but, by no means, is he irreplaceable.

And another thing. If it hadn't been for Horton and his damn defense Andrew Luck might be OUR QB. He should be run off for that alone.

 

[Kel Varnsen]

And another thing. If it hadn't been for Horton and his damn defense Andrew Luck might be OUR QB. He should be run off for that alone.

 

[Scott MS]

And another thing. If it hadn't been for Horton and his damn defense Andrew Luck might be OUR QB. He should be run off for that alone.

Love it.

But, I do agree, in general, with Mitch's comment. I think the Bidwills got played by a number of these candidates because they had way too many terms.

I mean Darrell Bevell withdrew because he received a new contract from Seattle. Who would ever pass up a head coaching job? Oh yeah, if it was for the Cardinals!!

 

[Arizona's Finest]

One silver lining if Horton does in fact leave. He was likely a lame duck this year anyway taking off for another DC job next year or maybe even finally getting that HC gig.

In terms of continuity this is the right move. But is Bowles the right guy......

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Love it.

But, I do agree, in general, with Mitch's comment. I think the Bidwills got played by a number of these candidates because they had way too many terms.

I mean Darrell Bevell withdrew because he received a new contract from Seattle. Who would ever pass up a head coaching job? Oh yeah, if it was for the Cardinals!!

Unless you can show me something that says otherwise, Im positive Bevell took that extension upon learning he wasnt getting a HC job.

 

[JeffGollin]

Love it.

But, I do agree, in general, with Mitch's comment. I think the Bidwills got played by a number of these candidates because they had way too many terms.

I mean Darrell Bevell withdrew because he received a new contract from Seattle. Who would ever pass up a head coaching job? Oh yeah, if it was for the Cardinals!!

First time I heard this. Source?

 

[TRW]

Maybe Ray can co-host with Rich Bartel and MJ and give the "inside scoop" on the Cards.

Just kidding folks....trying to lighten the mood in here...

I think that Ray was in a tough spot, had his shot and was not hired for whatever reason here and a couple of other places. It was what a lot of coaches go through and the smart ones learn from it and can face the next interview process better.

If he has to move on then that's fine. Arians probably prefers to assemble his own staff anyway.