Bickley/MJ reporting Horton wants out.

[Darkside]

Guess Horton didn't appreciate being Bidwill's Rooney Rule candidate.

I really hope I'm wrong about management, but something tells me the level of suck is the same as it always was.

 

[Mitch]

For all of you who support Bidwill in this and want Arians or whomever is the OHC du jour---this is exactly what you ignored all along.

Ray Horton has a backbone---he knows what he brings and what he deserves---anything less than that is unacceptable.

I don't blame him in the least. And I have even more respect for him now than ever before---because he is not allowing himself to be yet another Bidwillian hostage.

This organization at the top is the biggest assortment of losers ever assembled---they don't really want to win---they want to act like they know what they are doing---you know, drop names out there like Peyton Manning and Andy Reid---and ignorantly think (or dream) that prideful NFL guys like PM and AR would be so desperate as to come to the Cardinals on the Bidwill's terms?

We have a thread where some of you actually are so hoodwinked still that you believe that "Bidwill played this right."

The reality is---

Bidwill once again has exposed himself as an NFL tyro and ignoramus---

First of all---look at the preposterous position he put HC candidates in: (a) dealing with his inept running of a franchise; (b) having to accept half of someone' else's staff; (c) having to agree to having kevin Kolb as your QB; (d) no cap space; (e) a rookie GM who is Bidwill's Igor;

In light of all this----The only ways the word "played" can be accurately be applied to Bidwill are:

He got "played" by Andy Reid & his agent.

Just as he got played in the Kevin Kolb deal.

The Bidwills got played by Mike McCoy and his agent. (And get this, McCoy has the same agent as Steve Keim---which was made to order for a package deal---except that Bidwill told Keim he wouldn't negotiate with Keim's agent---how's that for paving the way for hiring Mike McCoy?)

Now we know precisely why Keim had to sign on as the lowest paid GM in the NFL.

They even got played by Todd Haley who should be the most desperate to get another crack at an NFL HC gig and yet---would rather stay in Pittsburgh as a controversial OC.

They tried to play Horton...

And Horton sees it for what it is...

He was going to be outa here in a year anyway---why belabor the point?

Ray Horton wants to win.

It aint happening here.

And what many of you under-estimated is that a guy who is smart enough to figure out how to stifle the offenses of the two home NFC/AFC Championship game teams in their own stadiums...

Is certainly smart enough to want out of Loserdale.

 

[Solar7]

It's awfully frustrating if we lose both Horton and Arians... Or additionally troubling if Todd Bowles is the guy we bring in to replace Horton.

I'm not happy with the way they handled the situation - I feel like we should have approached with some kind of urgency. If we end up with Haley or Gruden after all of this, I'm going to feel pretty awful.

 

[Zobaczcie suki]

If Horton leaves, this is a major miscalculation by the front office. You aren't going to find a better DC.

 

[Zeno]

There you go. Root against you own team. Pathetic.

The team is more important than hurting a coaches feelings. Interview everyone you can, find the right person for the job...have it done before the combine, that is all that matters.

With Horton...
You can't claim the Cards are being cheap...because it isn't like teams are beating down the door for his services.

You can't claim the Cards are being racist...because this is one of the more progressive teams in the NFL when it comes to race.

What could possibly be the reason

 

[Timm Rosenbach]

The team is more important than hurting a coaches feelings. Interview everyone you can, find the right person for the job...have it done before the combine, that is all that matters.

With Horton...
You can't claim the Cards are being cheap...because it isn't like teams are beating down the door for his services.

You can't claim the Cards are being racist...because this is one of the more progressive teams in the NFL when it comes to race.

What could possibly be the reason

If he demands to leave, its a major indictment of HIM. Not the franchise. The man has been a defensive coordinator for two years and thinks he is entitled to a head coaching job.

 

[BillsCarnage]

Ray Horton has a backbone---he knows what he brings and what he deserves---anything less than that is unacceptable

Oh that's just classic.

I know what I bring to the table and I deserve a pot of gold! Where the **** is it??!?!?!

No one deserves squat; you earn it.

If Horton really is acting like this he'll do more damage to his reputation than biting his tongue and working through the last year of his deal should the Cards keep him.

 

[Stop Whining]

With the talent on the defensive side of the ball, I think any DC Arians decides to bring in will have just as much success as Horton had this season. Is his "system" that special no one else can run it or get the same results running a different scheme? If I remember right, we werent the best run stopping team this season so maybe that would improve with a different DC. We need OFFENSE! Moving the ball wins games! If we lose alittle defense to get it, so be it!

 

[BillsCarnage]

If Horton leaves, this is a major miscalculation by the front office. You aren't going to find a better DC.

Really? Didn't most think Kevin Butler was a better DC before the Cards had to settle for Horton.

I don't think a better DC would settle for his unit rolling over like they did in Seattle. No matter if they were rebelling against the HC or not. That's his unit.

 

[Doc Cardinal]

With the talent on the defensive side of the ball, I think any DC Arians decides to bring in will have just as much success as Horton had this season. Is his "system" that special no one else can run it or get the same results running a different scheme? If I remember right, we werent the best run stopping team this season so maybe that would improve with a different DC. We need OFFENSE! Moving the ball wins games! If we lose alittle defense to get it, so be it!

This.

 

[Evil Ash]

Guess Horton didn't appreciate being Bidwill's Rooney Rule candidate.

I really hope I'm wrong about management, but something tells me the level of suck is the same as it always was.

Please people get this in your head - You don't get interviewed twice if you are just a Rooney Rule candidate

 

[freebyrd]

anyone like horton who feels jerked around should go down to the unemployment office or the welfare department and just watch for a while

you'll see what being jerked around really means
bottom line its a kids game owned played and coached by millionaires

cry me a river,

i was hoping he would stay on and use this opportunity to pad his resume, under another head coach and create more avenues for improvement for himself
but if this is really true
to heck with horton

 

[Chopper0080]

I am going to take this with a grain of salt. I am sure Horton is not happy that the Cardinals chose to go another route for Head Coach, but I doubt he would demand to be let go. He has one more year under contract and I am sure he will serve out that one year and then go elsewhere if he thinks it is best for him.

My guess is Horton is frustrated because he was probably told he didn't have the experience and offensive staff to be the next head coach and then sees guys being interviewed with limited head coaching experience as well.

 

[Chopper0080]

With the talent on the defensive side of the ball, I think any DC Arians decides to bring in will have just as much success as Horton had this season. Is his "system" that special no one else can run it or get the same results running a different scheme? If I remember right, we werent the best run stopping team this season so maybe that would improve with a different DC. We need OFFENSE! Moving the ball wins games! If we lose alittle defense to get it, so be it!

Todd Bowles, Lovie Smith, ect. There are defensive coordinators out there if this is true, but I have a hard time believing Horton would burn his reputation over 1 year left on a contract.

 

[az jam]

Todd Bowles, Lovie Smith, ect. There are defensive coordinators out there if this is true, but I have a hard time believing Horton would burn his reputation over 1 year left on a contract.

Agree, a lot more to gain by staying and producing. (and more money)

 

[binkar]

Sounds like another Cardinals blunder in the making. What the hell is wrong with Arizona sports teams? The ownership sucks here. Plain sucks. Horton should of been hired already. What I thought could be the worst case scenario, is even worse. Now, our best hope is to get Arians signed and then go and get Rob Ryan. What a mess. I hope Horton does leave and then comes back and kick our ass.

First, I think Horton has done a great job, but we also had one of the worst offenses of all time. None of us really know the plan these candidates have presented to fix the offense. If Horton's was great, and we didn't hire him, I'd be bummed, but it's impossible to know.

Second, Rob Ryan is terrible. Here are the point allowed rankings for his defenses he's been a DC over:

2004, 31st
2005, 25th
2006, 18th
2007, 26th
2008, 24th
2009, 21st
2010, 13th
2011, 11th
2012, 24th

 

[TJ]

For all of you who support Bidwill in this and want Arians or whomever is the OHC du jour---this is exactly what you ignored all along.

Ray Horton has a backbone---he knows what he brings and what he deserves---anything less than that is unacceptable.

I don't blame him in the least. And I have even more respect for him now than ever before---because he is not allowing himself to be yet another Bidwillian hostage.

This organization at the top is the biggest assortment of losers ever assembled---they don't really want to win---they want to act like they know what they are doing---you know, drop names out there like Peyton Manning and Andy Reid---and ignorantly think (or dream) that prideful NFL guys like PM and AR would be so desperate as to come to the Cardinals on the Bidwill's terms?

We have a thread where some of you actually are so hoodwinked still that you believe that "Bidwill played this right."

The reality is---

Bidwill once again has exposed himself as an NFL tyro and ignoramus---

First of all---look at the preposterous position he put HC candidates in: (a) dealing with his inept running of a franchise; (b) having to accept half of someone' else's staff; (c) having to agree to having kevin Kolb as your QB; (d) no cap space; (e) a rookie GM who is Bidwill's Igor;

In light of all this----The only ways the word "played" can be accurately be applied to Bidwill are:

He got "played" by Andy Reid & his agent.

Just as he got played in the Kevin Kolb deal.

The Bidwills got played by Mike McCoy and his agent. (And get this, McCoy has the same agent as Steve Keim---which was made to order for a package deal---except that Bidwill told Keim he wouldn't negotiate with Keim's agent---how's that for paving the way for hiring Mike McCoy?)

Now we know precisely why Keim had to sign on as the lowest paid GM in the NFL.

They even got played by Todd Haley who should be the most desperate to get another crack at an NFL HC gig and yet---would rather stay in Pittsburgh as a controversial OC.

They tried to play Horton...

And Horton sees it for what it is...

He was going to be outa here in a year anyway---why belabor the point?

Ray Horton wants to win.

It aint happening here.

And what many of you under-estimated is that a guy who is smart enough to figure out how to stifle the offenses of the two home NFC/AFC Championship game teams in their own stadiums...

Is certainly smart enough to want out of Loserdale.

Please explain how we tried to "play" Horton...

Didn't Horton interview with other ball clubs during this entire process? Could it be possible that he's upset that he didn't get a head coach position anywhere? You make the argument that Haley "played" us, but by your logic, Horton tried to play us as well. Guess there's a lot of "playing" going on.

Is the team not supposed to consider other (possibly more experiened, more qualified) candidates during the process? I think you were one of the people so terrified of losing Horton that you wanted to give him the HC position just to keep his defensive prowes on board; not because he was the most qualified candidate.

At the end of the day, Horton is under contract for one more season and the team has a golden opportunity to hire a fresh face for the offense, where this team needs the most attention.

Let Horton finish out his contract and leave in 2014. We need to worry about 2013/

 

[RugbyMuffin]

How has he not been dealt with the right way? Cause he wasn't handed the job outright?

We don't know. That is the situation.

Some say he was due an answer Tuesday, some say he was told he was in the top 3 cannidates with Ried and McCoy (who are gone making him #1 by logic), so who knows.

Maybe he got strung along, maybe he did just get angry he wasn't given the job.

Who said what, and what is the truth who knows.

If I was told I was going to get an explanation on a certain day, I would be pretty frustrated when it didn't happen.

If I was told I was 1 of 3 people for a job, and the other 2 went some where else, and I wasn't hired I would be pretty frustrated as well.

I think it is quite justifiable IF those are true, cause not only do you get lied to, you get embarrassed on a national scale, disrespected, and finally just plain treated unprofessionally.

Who knows if he is even angry, and wants out ?

We will see. I would absolutely suck if Horton left because the Bidwills cannot handle running a business like professionals, if it is the opposite and it is just because Horton didn't get the job then I would feel better about him leaving.

As for my pure speculation, based on how Horton coached, and how he understands the business of the NFL, I really can't see him throwing a temper tantrum over not getting the job. Yet, he has pride, and if any of those things above happened, he has every right to be pissed off, and want to leave.

Just like Boldin said when he left, how can you trust people that say they will do something, don't do it, and don't even communicate with you why they lied to you and strung you along. That is not that crazy of a logic.

AGAIN, IF that is the case. Which I hope it is not.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Todd Bowles, Lovie Smith, ect. There are defensive coordinators out there if this is true, but I have a hard time believing Horton would burn his reputation over 1 year left on a contract.

Those are two 4-3 coaches, you have to blow up your defensive roster.

 

[BW52]

For all of you who support Bidwill in this and want Arians or whomever is the OHC du jour---this is exactly what you ignored all along.

Ray Horton has a backbone---he knows what he brings and what he deserves---anything less than that is unacceptable.

I don't blame him in the least. And I have even more respect for him now than ever before---because he is not allowing himself to be yet another Bidwillian hostage.

This organization at the top is the biggest assortment of losers ever assembled---they don't really want to win---they want to act like they know what they are doing---you know, drop names out there like Peyton Manning and Andy Reid---and ignorantly think (or dream) that prideful NFL guys like PM and AR would be so desperate as to come to the Cardinals on the Bidwill's terms?

We have a thread where some of you actually are so hoodwinked still that you believe that "Bidwill played this right."

The reality is---

Bidwill once again has exposed himself as an NFL tyro and ignoramus---

First of all---look at the preposterous position he put HC candidates in: (a) dealing with his inept running of a franchise; (b) having to accept half of someone' else's staff; (c) having to agree to having kevin Kolb as your QB; (d) no cap space; (e) a rookie GM who is Bidwill's Igor;

In light of all this----The only ways the word "played" can be accurately be applied to Bidwill are:

He got "played" by Andy Reid & his agent.

Just as he got played in the Kevin Kolb deal.

The Bidwills got played by Mike McCoy and his agent. (And get this, McCoy has the same agent as Steve Keim---which was made to order for a package deal---except that Bidwill told Keim he wouldn't negotiate with Keim's agent---how's that for paving the way for hiring Mike McCoy?)

Now we know precisely why Keim had to sign on as the lowest paid GM in the NFL.

They even got played by Todd Haley who should be the most desperate to get another crack at an NFL HC gig and yet---would rather stay in Pittsburgh as a controversial OC.

They tried to play Horton...

And Horton sees it for what it is...

He was going to be outa here in a year anyway---why belabor the point?

Ray Horton wants to win.

It aint happening here.

And what many of you under-estimated is that a guy who is smart enough to figure out how to stifle the offenses of the two home NFC/AFC Championship game teams in their own stadiums...

Is certainly smart enough to want out of Loserdale.

If it pains you that much Mitch there are several teams up in the Northeast who can use another fan.Since none of us knows exactly what has happened i think all this whiny ass BS needs to stop.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Agree, a lot more to gain by staying and producing. (and more money)

+1

Yet Horton is a quirky guy, and different guy, and may not give a damn if he thinks he cannot work with the Cardinals after this situation and feels disrespected.

Not saying he is right or wrong, just saying that the word from KTAR and other AZ sources says "he walks to a beat of a different drummer"

BTW, that is why I think he such a good defensive mind, and it suck he won't be able to take that creativeness across the board in AZ.

He might somewhere else, and will be interesting to say the least.

 

[Mitch]

Please explain how we tried to "play" Horton...

Didn't Horton interview with other ball clubs during this entire process? Could it be possible that he's upset that he didn't get a head coach position anywhere? You make the argument that Haley "played" us, but by your logic, Horton tried to play us as well. Guess there's a lot of "playing" going on.

Is the team not supposed to consider other (possibly more experiened, more qualified) candidates during the process? I think you were one of the people so terrified of losing Horton that you wanted to give him the HC position just to keep his defensive prowes on board; not because he was the most qualified candidate.

At the end of the day, Horton is under contract for one more season and the team has a golden opportunity to hire a fresh face for the offense, where this team needs the most attention.

Let Horton finish out his contract and leave in 2014. We need to worry about 2013/

It doesn't matter what I say---I know in my heart what is wrong with this whole scenario.

We all must know what it is like to come into an organization---a struggling one at that---and actually be the catalyst to turn what was once a liability into a shining asset---

And then just when you have the opportunity to earn a promotion and a much deserved vote of confidence from your employers---the employers decide some outsider is more qualified for the job---after YOU'VE been in the trenches and your fellow employees show their faith in you---but, IT JUST WASN'T ENOUGH, was it?

I think all of us---in direct or vicarious ways---understand this.

Some decide to stay anyway while seeking employment elsewhere---and some decide, you know what, life is too short, I want to be where I feel valued and aptly compensated.

In these situations---no one HAS to remain a hostage if she/he doesn't wish to.

He can just quit---and I hope he does.

This organization has proven time and time again it cannot compete with the big boys.

Ray Horton may not have proved it to you---but he has 100% proved it to me---he is big boy and a winner. He deserved the best---and he got shafted here because he was special to the defense like Kurt Warner was to the offense.

 

[binkar]

For all of you who support Bidwill in this and want Arians or whomever is the OHC du jour---this is exactly what you ignored all along.

Ray Horton has a backbone---he knows what he brings and what he deserves---anything less than that is unacceptable.

I don't blame him in the least. And I have even more respect for him now than ever before---because he is not allowing himself to be yet another Bidwillian hostage.

This organization at the top is the biggest assortment of losers ever assembled---they don't really want to win---they want to act like they know what they are doing---you know, drop names out there like Peyton Manning and Andy Reid---and ignorantly think (or dream) that prideful NFL guys like PM and AR would be so desperate as to come to the Cardinals on the Bidwill's terms?

We have a thread where some of you actually are so hoodwinked still that you believe that "Bidwill played this right."

The reality is---

Bidwill once again has exposed himself as an NFL tyro and ignoramus---

First of all---look at the preposterous position he put HC candidates in: (a) dealing with his inept running of a franchise; (b) having to accept half of someone' else's staff; (c) having to agree to having kevin Kolb as your QB; (d) no cap space; (e) a rookie GM who is Bidwill's Igor;

In light of all this----The only ways the word "played" can be accurately be applied to Bidwill are:

He got "played" by Andy Reid & his agent.

Just as he got played in the Kevin Kolb deal.

The Bidwills got played by Mike McCoy and his agent. (And get this, McCoy has the same agent as Steve Keim---which was made to order for a package deal---except that Bidwill told Keim he wouldn't negotiate with Keim's agent---how's that for paving the way for hiring Mike McCoy?)

Now we know precisely why Keim had to sign on as the lowest paid GM in the NFL.

They even got played by Todd Haley who should be the most desperate to get another crack at an NFL HC gig and yet---would rather stay in Pittsburgh as a controversial OC.

They tried to play Horton...

And Horton sees it for what it is...

He was going to be outa here in a year anyway---why belabor the point?

Ray Horton wants to win.

It aint happening here.

And what many of you under-estimated is that a guy who is smart enough to figure out how to stifle the offenses of the two home NFC/AFC Championship game teams in their own stadiums...

Is certainly smart enough to want out of Loserdale.

You know, Mitch, your talking down to everyone really gets old. Just because someone feels differently than you doesn't make you a genius and them an incompetent idiot. Your superiority complex shows heavily through this post.

 

[Goldfield]

Horton would not be this stupid and ruin any future HCing jobs for himself.

This is nothing more than BJ & MJ creating drama.

Horton will be our DC another year and test the HCing waters next year. Maybe he finds one maybe he doesn't. I would offer him assistant HC/DC bump his pay for doing a great job and move on.

 

[Mitch]

If it pains you that much Mitch there are several teams up in the Northeast who can use another fan.Since none of us knows exactly what has happened i think all this whiny ass BS needs to stop.

Yeah---it pains me---it pains me to watch special be thrown away again by an inept and classless organization.

Maybe I should heed your advice---

Except that I was born a Cardinal fan and I will die a Cardinal fan---

And if you don't like my thoughts---feel free to put me on ignore.