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Bickely is a hack and jackass; he is a hackass.
Bickley's hit piece on Leinart this morning
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Well, he led them to a FG attempt which was missed. If it had gone through, would that really make much difference in evaluating how he did? If not, then the fact Feely missed shouldn't be held against Matt either.
That said, I said last night to my buddy at the game that Leinart was "okay". I also said Andersen didn't exactly step up and put any pressure on Matt. In fact, I think he did the opposite.
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Would it be fair to say that neither Leinart nor Anderson did anything to make Cardinal fans feel less queasy and fearful about "life after Warner", but that, on the other hand, Matt didn't do anything to cause fans to give up on him?
Fans are still waiting to be shown. Evidence of better execution, one or two red zone scores and a couple of nicely engineered TD drives accomplished on a consistent basis would go a long way toward making fans more trustful.
This certainly is within the realm of possibility and, in fact, quite do-able.
But it remains to be done.
Regarding Skelton - he's young and raw. This makes me want to dig in my heels and exclaim: "Nice job, rook. Now let me see you do it two or three more times in a row." That said, the dude went out their and did it. He demonstrated under live-fire, nice pocket presence, a strong arm, accuracy and production. (There's no reason why - if an athlete executes that well one time - he can't be coached to do it over and over). This is how I see it.
Fans are still waiting to be shown. Evidence of better execution, one or two red zone scores and a couple of nicely engineered TD drives accomplished on a consistent basis would go a long way toward making fans more trustful.
This certainly is within the realm of possibility and, in fact, quite do-able.
But it remains to be done.
Regarding Skelton - he's young and raw. This makes me want to dig in my heels and exclaim: "Nice job, rook. Now let me see you do it two or three more times in a row." That said, the dude went out their and did it. He demonstrated under live-fire, nice pocket presence, a strong arm, accuracy and production. (There's no reason why - if an athlete executes that well one time - he can't be coached to do it over and over). This is how I see it.
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If you want to see or hear, read Matt haters go to the "BleacherReport" They really HATE MATT. and oh yes Urban and Somers contribute to that RAG...!!!
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This is the kind of crap reporting we get when EVT is no longer around. I've noticed the rag goes to print earlier now that there is no competition. It's like if it happens after 7, it doesn't make the MORNING paper. Late game this, Late game that. So when it made no sense that Bickley be talking about Hall and not Skelton, I put the two together. I used to remember the cut-off being around 10, perhaps later. They still got the paper out early in the morning. There was no internet back then to easily send a copy from PHX to say FLAG in seconds. There is no reason. Why even send a reporter when it's apparent he can't even watch it and make the deadline?
This article is trash as it's incomplete. Nothing is run well anymore....except the Cardinals. Yea
He has some points, but doesn't really say them. I got from reading this that he wants us to take the next step as a franchise and lock down the NFC West. To be the best years in a row when the other teams are good. Somehow like he envisions the Bears or other 'real' NFL teams did. He doesn't see ML as the guy. I agree with him on that one. We'll see though, now is his time. But it's hard to make Max Hall's case when he doesn't play, and Bickley submits the story before Skelton plays.
I remember alot of people sweating that Warner wouldn't unseat ML, and after that whole experience it's pretty safe to say if ML isn't playing well, and another QB is, that other QB will get a chance by Whis. Bickley forgets this.
If the first unit continues to play like it did, I don't believe ML would be starting Week 1. If he is, it's with a short a hook early in the season. That said, he may go out and play good the rest of the preseason and hold onto the job for the season. But I'm confident if he is playing like crap whis will pull the plug. Bickley most likely wants (or wanted) Hall.
But again, this article is crap, because it's incomplete. All the excitement, all the anticipation, football fans of the entire state, which the rag pretty much has dominance over, and it cannot hold the presses for a football game that STARTED at 5PM? It can't shift some stuff around, print something else first, this last? Even with $$$ restraints, it's reeks of bad management. Now we have the double whammy. No $$$ and No Clue. It wouldn't be so sad if it this wasn't so normal. The Rag is a perfect example. Bickley's crap article is what we should all expect.
This article is trash as it's incomplete. Nothing is run well anymore....except the Cardinals. Yea
He has some points, but doesn't really say them. I got from reading this that he wants us to take the next step as a franchise and lock down the NFC West. To be the best years in a row when the other teams are good. Somehow like he envisions the Bears or other 'real' NFL teams did. He doesn't see ML as the guy. I agree with him on that one. We'll see though, now is his time. But it's hard to make Max Hall's case when he doesn't play, and Bickley submits the story before Skelton plays.
I remember alot of people sweating that Warner wouldn't unseat ML, and after that whole experience it's pretty safe to say if ML isn't playing well, and another QB is, that other QB will get a chance by Whis. Bickley forgets this.
If the first unit continues to play like it did, I don't believe ML would be starting Week 1. If he is, it's with a short a hook early in the season. That said, he may go out and play good the rest of the preseason and hold onto the job for the season. But I'm confident if he is playing like crap whis will pull the plug. Bickley most likely wants (or wanted) Hall.
But again, this article is crap, because it's incomplete. All the excitement, all the anticipation, football fans of the entire state, which the rag pretty much has dominance over, and it cannot hold the presses for a football game that STARTED at 5PM? It can't shift some stuff around, print something else first, this last? Even with $$$ restraints, it's reeks of bad management. Now we have the double whammy. No $$$ and No Clue. It wouldn't be so sad if it this wasn't so normal. The Rag is a perfect example. Bickley's crap article is what we should all expect.
The first series Matt and the Oline looked bad.
The second series Matt looked good and the oline looked poor.
Not really sure what all the fuss is about.
The second series Matt looked good and the oline looked poor.
Not really sure what all the fuss is about.
That is what the fuss should be about.
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I think this is pretty obvious.
Bickley, like many other holier then thou reporters who have feelings of entitlement, got pissed when Leinart left before he spoke to the media. Bickely and many other reporters can't do their job when players leave and I have seen more then a few rake a guy over the coals because they didn't follow the unwritten rule of "athlete to local beat writer" ettiquite. I have seen this kind of crap time and time and time again and when a athlete doesn't hold up his end of the "bargin", writers tend to go off like he murdered a young family. Especially at the Republic (see Peircoro, Nick)
Whatever. If you can't see that in this article you have'nt read enough Bickley in the past. For the record Urban and Somers called it like it was, not bad but not gangbusters either. This article is something completely different.
Ten bucks here says had Matt stayed afterwards to talk, or especially given Bickley an exclusive, you would have not read this article as it is presently constitutued. In fact it may have even been about Daryl Washington, Skeleton, or pointing the finger where it really belongs, at the OL.
Instead he kept up his weird dieficiation of Max Hall in this story (seriously whats up with that? the kid got a full article from the Bickster yet has been nothing better then average practice so far. The Republic is trying to make him Kurt Warner and there is some agenda here, I just don't know it is yet,) and decides to blast how lucky Leinart is to be mediocre, when he really looked decent last night. Or certainly not bad enough to warrrant a negative editorial the next day.
You see Chris you see things as they appear to be. I see them as they are. Look closer.
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Ha, eloquently put, and I'm impressed that through that entire speech you didn't address my question at all. Perhaps you should look into politics?
If you'd like, or anyone for that matter, please provide specific things that you disagree with that he said regarding Leinart. I think you'll find that it's certainly not a "hit piece" and asks many legitimate questions. I don't love Bickley, sometimes he gets it right, sometimes he doesn't, but I think this article was pretty accurate.
Again, I don't think Matt played badly by any stretch of the imagination, but he certainly didn't instill me with a ton of confidence either. Like I said, it's a bit of a push. Totally agree with Donald's take.
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The problem is that there is no QB in the league that could have instilled confidence with the way the o-line played. Take your pick.
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On the William's sack, I heard one bright light say that Matt should have gotten rid of the ball. I stop watched the play from snap to sack: 3 seconds.
One of those seconds was him seeing MW bearing down on him and tucking the ball to absorb the hit.
Yeah, should have just chucked it there.
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I never appreciated Bickely more than when he was the ONLY Arizona beat writer to predict the Cardinals beating the Packers in the playoff game last year. All the rest (Somers, Urban, McManahan) hemmed and hawed and leaned toward the Packers. Bickely stared straight into the camera and said Warner would be on fire and the team would win it at the end.
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This is the thing that annoys me about fans. When someone agrees with your view they are the greatest writer ever and when they don't think your team is good then they suck at their job. I will freely admit that I do this too, but I have been trying my hardest not to think like that anymore. Just because Bickley thought the Cards would win means nothing. He is not a good writer and him agreeing with me will not change my view of him. To me he is the Pedro Gomez of the current AZ Republic.
LoyaltyisaCurse
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1 time out 100 wont go far with me...
Bickley is a scumbag, wishywashy, hack that will smile in your face and stab you in the back.
He is a Hackasstm
Max Hall....... enough said!
Treefiddy
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I used to suffer through Bickley and MJ just because I enjoyed what MJ had to say, but I found I simply can't tolerate Bickley anymore so I just listen to music. Nothing on the radio excites me more than when Bickley is out and they have Vince Marotta filling in for him. That "backup" show should be the primary show since you get more relevant information and it's actually entertaining.
I guess I also have a soft spot for Vince since he seems to live and die as a Cards fan.
I guess I also have a soft spot for Vince since he seems to live and die as a Cards fan.
crisper57
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2nd, except I'd like to see a permanent reunion of Vinnie and Chuck Powell in Bickley and MJ's spot.
Treefiddy
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I remember listening to Vinnie and Chuck when they did morning entertainment radio. Has Chuck done sports radio before? When he filled in with Vinnie for Bickley and MJ, he seemed to just be comic relief.
crisper57
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I think they did a sports show together before the Edge morning show. (Before my time in the Valley)
Evil Ash
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Vinnie and Chuck were the hosts of the morning show on 910 back when it was relevant. Even then though Chuck was mostly there for comic relief
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