arthurracoon
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Will he come through this year?
Big Jake
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Yes- If he doesn't he is gone. IMO Jake will be the starting C and will play 15-20 min. a game 10pts 6+rbs and 1+blocks a game.
SirStefan32
Krycek, Alex Krycek
I have to say NO.
Jake never got a fair opportunity to prove himself. He plays for a few minutes at the beginning of the game, scores a couple of points, sits on the bench the rest of the game.
He will never produce because the Suns organization will never give him a fair chance to produce.
Stefan
Jake never got a fair opportunity to prove himself. He plays for a few minutes at the beginning of the game, scores a couple of points, sits on the bench the rest of the game.
He will never produce because the Suns organization will never give him a fair chance to produce.
Stefan
Krangodnzr
Captain of Team Conner
I would have to agree.
I don't think he is a great center, but he isn't terrible either.
He could easily be a decently productive role player, but Frankie J. doesn't give him enough time.
elindholm
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IMO Jake will be the starting C and will play 15-20 min. a game 10pts 6+rbs and 1+blocks a game.
If he got those numbers in 20 minutes per game, he'd be one of the most productive centers in the league.
I think Tsakalidis will be the starter. The Suns will do what they always do with mediocre centers, which will be that they'll force-feed Tsakalidis on the first several possessions of every game. He won't be able to produce well, because he isn't that kind of player. So then the coaching staff will say, "Well, whatever, we tried," and they'll pull him for the rest of the half. They'll go to Voskuhl, who can score the odd bucket here and there through scrappiness, or a small lineup, disregarding what Tsakalidis can provide on defense. It will be this way for a couple of months, with Tsakalidis "starting" and getting no more than 15 minutes per game, until he develops a phantom injury.
I also think that they'll keep him around. They need three centers on the roster; what better option will they have? Besides, they don't want to admit that they were wrong to draft him. It's not like any other team is going to offer him a big deal, given how little he will have shown. I can see the Suns locking him down for maybe $10 million over four years.
If he got those numbers in 20 minutes per game, he'd be one of the most productive centers in the league.
I think Tsakalidis will be the starter. The Suns will do what they always do with mediocre centers, which will be that they'll force-feed Tsakalidis on the first several possessions of every game. He won't be able to produce well, because he isn't that kind of player. So then the coaching staff will say, "Well, whatever, we tried," and they'll pull him for the rest of the half. They'll go to Voskuhl, who can score the odd bucket here and there through scrappiness, or a small lineup, disregarding what Tsakalidis can provide on defense. It will be this way for a couple of months, with Tsakalidis "starting" and getting no more than 15 minutes per game, until he develops a phantom injury.
I also think that they'll keep him around. They need three centers on the roster; what better option will they have? Besides, they don't want to admit that they were wrong to draft him. It's not like any other team is going to offer him a big deal, given how little he will have shown. I can see the Suns locking him down for maybe $10 million over four years.
Goldfield
Formally known as BEERZ
I agree that thats what they "used" to do with him...
But that was when they needed an inside scorer. With Amare now the post guy, I am willing to bet BIG Jake, will be allowed to let the game come to him, and get the stuff that is easy for him...
I honestly have a feeling that this will be a breakout year for him, because they dont NEED as much from him, and he will bable to just go out and play! I can dream anyway!
green machine
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Given the chance Jake can be solid. But with getting Zarko I don't know how much tim Big Jake will see. I imagine a lot of Marbury/Penny/Marion/Stouds/Zarko lineups against the non-giant centers anyways.
adam
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jbeecham
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I like Big Jake and I've always rooted for him to be successful, but I don't think he'll ever have the chance on the Suns. The Suns have a lot of quick and athletic players, but what FJ doesn't seem to understand is that not all of your guys on the court have to be quick and athletic.
I really wish they would leave Jake in just for his defensive presence. He clogs up that lane and can get a block here and there and he alters a ton of shots, but as soon as he messes up on offense he gets pulled. It would be nice if he and Marbury could rekindle the "pick and roll" and "drive and dish" game that they were playing at the end of the 01-02 season where Jake was dunking everything (usually with one hand).
I really wish they would leave Jake in just for his defensive presence. He clogs up that lane and can get a block here and there and he alters a ton of shots, but as soon as he messes up on offense he gets pulled. It would be nice if he and Marbury could rekindle the "pick and roll" and "drive and dish" game that they were playing at the end of the 01-02 season where Jake was dunking everything (usually with one hand).
elindholm
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I agree that thats what they "used" to do with him...
But that was when they needed an inside scorer. With Amare now the post guy, I am willing to bet BIG Jake, will be allowed to let the game come to him
I doubt it. The Suns did the same things with Mark West, Joe Kleine, and so on, even when Barkley was on the team. It's just the way they handle centers.
But that was when they needed an inside scorer. With Amare now the post guy, I am willing to bet BIG Jake, will be allowed to let the game come to him
I doubt it. The Suns did the same things with Mark West, Joe Kleine, and so on, even when Barkley was on the team. It's just the way they handle centers.
When the Suns were at their best they had Barkley and Big-O in, he was slow but he was a rebounder shotblocker ONLY.
Errntknght
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The odds that Big Jake will get significant playing time against anyone but the Lakers look to be very small. FJ is convinced that 'small' ball is what made the team almost challenge SA in the playoffs so I don't expect even lip service to going big this year. Picking two perimeter players in the draft this year indicates that BC has bought into Frankie's 'vision'. Voskuhl will probably be the only center that gets any time - FJ seems to like him since he developed his Bo Outlaw act.
OK, I'm gonna cheat and pull a copy of my old post several days ago. As you can tell, I would have to vote no simply because he won't get the chance. IF, and that's a real BIG IF, big Jake gets a real mean streak this summer, he MIGHT get some PT...... Here's my old post....
“With the team that we have, we called it small ball at times. (Assistant coach) Mike D’Antoni said, ‘It’s not small ball, it’s skill ball.’ Now that we have a 7-0 skill guy we don’t necessarily have to go with guys who are 6-7 and under,” Johnson said. “Now we have that 7-0 guy who can go out and do some of those things.”
The above words are in reference to our selection of Zarko with the #17 pick. OK, I'll give it a chance, but like a rose is allways a rose, small ball by any other name is never gonna be a rose. It sounds like the Suns are trying to appease the fans who are sick & tired of small ball. Or maybe, we want to be like Dallas - win a lot of games then exit in the playoffs to the better "skill ball" team with a true C.
The way I see it, big Jake's days are numbered as a Phoenix Sun. Why would you keep a player to play in four games a year? Alright, maybe there are a few other games that a big body might be used by FJ, but as it was demomstrated in the playoff's against the Spurs, he certainally won't get too many chances. We all know the outcome of that experience, so the question is, do we feel lucky? Do we think the combination of Amare & Zarko will be enough to win a series aganinst Duncan & Robinson's replacement? I doubt it. I'm surprised they didn't trade big Jake for Barbosa and be done with it. Perhaps the Spurs don't think big Jake was worth it or perhaps the Suns wanted more than just Barbosa. We'll never know, but I would bet you more money than I bet on the Powerball, that it was discussed. I really believe that Barbosa was the Suns better deal of the day (was that really for Cleveland's pick or was it our 1st round "conditional" pick?). As far as the Spurs go, I would be surprised if they sign Kidd, I believe they'll use their FA money for Robinson's replacement and look to do a repeat on the NBA championship. Kidd will probably stay in NJ, but could end up in Dallas and loosing to either the Lakers or the Spurs in the west.
Now, the rest of the story......
The Suns are looking to be more exciting, and I believe this pick & trade will definately make them a better, more exciting team, but you really don't need to wonder too much about the outcome. JC is a schrewd businessman, and the ultimate goal is to make money, not to win a championship. If perhaps we get lucky, then OK, we were really smart.... but a rose by any other name is still a rose. Close only counts in horseshoes..... Dallas is a good horseshoe team and it looks like the Suns want to join them in their game.
“With the team that we have, we called it small ball at times. (Assistant coach) Mike D’Antoni said, ‘It’s not small ball, it’s skill ball.’ Now that we have a 7-0 skill guy we don’t necessarily have to go with guys who are 6-7 and under,” Johnson said. “Now we have that 7-0 guy who can go out and do some of those things.”
The above words are in reference to our selection of Zarko with the #17 pick. OK, I'll give it a chance, but like a rose is allways a rose, small ball by any other name is never gonna be a rose. It sounds like the Suns are trying to appease the fans who are sick & tired of small ball. Or maybe, we want to be like Dallas - win a lot of games then exit in the playoffs to the better "skill ball" team with a true C.
The way I see it, big Jake's days are numbered as a Phoenix Sun. Why would you keep a player to play in four games a year? Alright, maybe there are a few other games that a big body might be used by FJ, but as it was demomstrated in the playoff's against the Spurs, he certainally won't get too many chances. We all know the outcome of that experience, so the question is, do we feel lucky? Do we think the combination of Amare & Zarko will be enough to win a series aganinst Duncan & Robinson's replacement? I doubt it. I'm surprised they didn't trade big Jake for Barbosa and be done with it. Perhaps the Spurs don't think big Jake was worth it or perhaps the Suns wanted more than just Barbosa. We'll never know, but I would bet you more money than I bet on the Powerball, that it was discussed. I really believe that Barbosa was the Suns better deal of the day (was that really for Cleveland's pick or was it our 1st round "conditional" pick?). As far as the Spurs go, I would be surprised if they sign Kidd, I believe they'll use their FA money for Robinson's replacement and look to do a repeat on the NBA championship. Kidd will probably stay in NJ, but could end up in Dallas and loosing to either the Lakers or the Spurs in the west.
Now, the rest of the story......
The Suns are looking to be more exciting, and I believe this pick & trade will definately make them a better, more exciting team, but you really don't need to wonder too much about the outcome. JC is a schrewd businessman, and the ultimate goal is to make money, not to win a championship. If perhaps we get lucky, then OK, we were really smart.... but a rose by any other name is still a rose. Close only counts in horseshoes..... Dallas is a good horseshoe team and it looks like the Suns want to join them in their game.
carey
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Neat, I remember this same exact Poll / Post last year before the season started. 
(btw. I voted No.)
(btw. I voted No.)
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Prediction: During camp he dislocates his big toe and misses the first 15 games. He is used in limited play for 10 games then goes on the IR with tendinitis in his face. Some other player actually gets a real injury and Jake is activated averaging 4.8 min. a game for the remainder of the year and is released.
