Blaine Gabbert?

[Totally_Red]

Is he a realistic option for starting QB in 2018 or just an upgraded (more accurate, more mobile with a stronger arm) version of Drew Stanton, who can take Stanton's backup, spot starter role?

 

[kerouac9]

There's little historical precedent for a quarterback with as many starts as Gabbert, who has played as poorly, to suddenly become an average or above-average starter.

 

[juza76]

There's little historical precedent for a quarterback with as many starts as Gabbert, who has played as poorly, to suddenly become an average or above-average starter.

Do u mean his fate is sealed?

 

[StreetTruckinTitan]

Keim seems genuinely excited about the future going forward with Gabbert if he continues to show mental improvement with processing & decision making, which he has. Listen to his interview on Arizona sports 98.7.

http://arizonasports.com/story/1215...hieu-making-plays-but-still-needs-to-improve/

 

[kerouac9]

Keim seems genuinely excited about the future going forward with Gabbert if he continues to show mental improvement with processing & decision making, which he has. Listen to his interview on Arizona sports 98.7.

Keep in mind that he's a Top 15 pick playing against guys who will soon be selling homeowners insurance and locking people in to a 36-month lease on a new Volkswagen. These aren't real football players.

 

[StreetTruckinTitan]

Keep in mind that he's a Top 15 pick playing against guys who will soon be selling homeowners insurance and locking people in to a 36-month lease on a new Volkswagen. These aren't real football players.

Thats why I what to see him (outside practice) run with the first team. You cant dispute his accuracy and arm strength. He does get even splits between Palmer, stanton and himself during practice drills. The times ive been there he seems to be picking up the system nicely.
But I agree, He needs first team reps in a live game.

 

[kerouac9]

Thats why I what to see him (outside practice) run with the first team. You cant dispute his accuracy and arm strength. He does get even splits between Palmer, stanton and himself during practice drills. The times ive been there he seems to be picking up the system nicely.
But I agree, He needs first team reps in a live game.

In shorts, against air. I don't want to take first-team reps away from Palmer or Stanton — guys who have a chance to play — so that you and Juza and Totally Red can feel validated about whether Blaine Gabbert is real.

Blaine Gabbert has had 1266 regular-season NFL pass attempts to demonstrate that he can start in the NFL. Two-dozen or so preseason NFL snaps shouldn't be enough to change that opinion.

 

[BigRedRage]

Is he a realistic option for starting QB in 2018 or just an upgraded (more accurate, more mobile with a stronger arm) version of Drew Stanton, who can take Stanton's backup, spot starter role?

He is a good start to having QB competition post Palmer instead of winging it and hoping for the best with a rookie or whomever is available as FA. Keeping him around and grooming him into the system will at a minimum give us a competent backup but also help us avoid another john skelton/max hall situation.

We could do FAR worse and we all know it.

 

[juza76]

K9 is right, probably we have some unjustified expectations
after 6 years of nfl is almost impossible to turn a career
But dreaming is free and I ll be pleased if he can be a solid number 2

 

[Jetstream Green]

K9 is right, probably we have some unjustified expectations
after 6 years of nfl is almost impossible to turn a career
But dreaming is free and I ll be pleased if he can be a solid number 2

K9 is right on the percentages but not necessarily Blaine Gabbert as a Cardinal

 

[Mitch]

Would like to see Blaine Gabbert get some snaps with the first team. Thus far, he's passed the test, imo, with aplomb...but all against 2nd and 3rd stringers.

 

[tnmike]

Keep in mind that he's a Top 15 pick playing against guys who will soon be selling homeowners insurance and locking people in to a 36-month lease on a new Volkswagen. These aren't real football players.

What's wrong with a 36 month lease on a new VW?

 

[BleedRed]

Personally I think he has a shot to be our starting QB next year, and while you can make the argument that he's playing against 3rd stringers, you can also make the same argument that he's playing with 3rd stringers as well. I would be very curious to see how he runs with the first team. I'm over Stanton no matter how he plays in the preseason, he's been garbage when filing in for Palmer the last few years and he "knows the system".

 

[StreetTruckinTitan]

Im over Stanton period. If he knows BAs system so well whats that say about him looking and performing the worst within the system? He def looks 3rd string more than Blaine does.

 

[Brak]

There's little historical precedent for a quarterback with as many starts as Gabbert, who has played as poorly, to suddenly become an average or above-average starter.

Steve Young. Not as many starts with Tampa, but he was awful there, on an awful team. Surround him with talent in SF, and he blossomed into a HOF QB. Not that I'd expect Gabbert to have anywhere near that much success, but my point is simply that the surrounding cast matters tremendously - and he's been surrounded by turds his entire career to this point.

I'm through with Stanton like many of the rest of you. His "accuracy" (I use the term very loosely) resembles what I'd expect Derek Anderson's to look like, after a night of heavy drinking with Michael Floyd. His pocket presence is non-existent, and he's as lead-footed as Palmer. Time to move on. Gabbert was a cheap addition, let's find out what he can do. Gotta be a better risk than Kevin Kolb was (and he cost about 20x more too).

 

[82CardsGrad]

Gabbert has all of the physical tools needed to be a top-tier NFL QB... he even has above-average mobility to boot. However, so did Logan Thomas and a parade of other physically gifted QB's who all flamed out at the NFL level.
Gabbert's NFL history is putrid for sure... however, there are fairly legitimate factors that have surrounded his NFL tenure, all of which are quite valid dynamics that can be argued as contributing dynamics behind Gabbert's struggles. Constant change. Poor coaching. Lack of talent around him...
I am certain that the notorious QB Whisperer (BA) looks at Gabbert as fresh clay and is probably feeling pretty confident about the chance to mold Gabbert into a high-quality NFL QB. Hey, who knows... perhaps Gabbert's very presence on the team is enough to keep BA around for a few more years!

 

[BigRedRage]

Gabbert has all of the physical tools needed to be a top-tier NFL QB... he even has above-average mobility to boot. However, so did Logan Thomas and a parade of other physically gifted QB's who all flamed out at the NFL level.
Gabbert's NFL history is putrid for sure... however, there are fairly legitimate factors that have surrounded his NFL tenure, all of which are quite valid dynamics that can be argued as contributing dynamics behind Gabbert's struggles. Constant change. Poor coaching. Lack of talent around him...
I am certain that the notorious QB Whisperer (BA) looks at Gabbert as fresh clay and is probably feeling pretty confident about the chance to mold Gabbert into a high-quality NFL QB. Hey, who knows... perhaps Gabbert's very presence on the team is enough to keep BA around for a few more years!

Logan Thomas was always inaccurate and was barely drafted, I wouldnt put them in the same boat at all.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Logan Thomas was always inaccurate and was barely drafted, I wouldnt put them in the same boat at all.

True...however, I was merely talking about their physical attributes...

 

[kerouac9]

Steve Young. Not as many starts with Tampa, but he was awful there, on an awful team. Surround him with talent in SF, and he blossomed into a HOF QB. Not that I'd expect Gabbert to have anywhere near that much success, but my point is simply that the surrounding cast matters tremendously - and he's been surrounded by turds his entire career to this point.

I'm through with Stanton like many of the rest of you. His "accuracy" (I use the term very loosely) resembles what I'd expect Derek Anderson's to look like, after a night of heavy drinking with Michael Floyd. His pocket presence is non-existent, and he's as lead-footed as Palmer. Time to move on. Gabbert was a cheap addition, let's find out what he can do. Gotta be a better risk than Kevin Kolb was (and he cost about 20x more too).

This argument is not valid. Steve Young had 500 attempts as a pro in Tampa (2 seasons), then sat for three full seasons. As I said, Gabbert has had more than 4 times as many pro passing attempts, and shown himself to be a historically bad NFL starter.

 

[TJ]

Would like to see Blaine Gabbert get some snaps with the first team. Thus far, he's passed the test, imo, with aplomb...but all against 2nd and 3rd stringers.

He has six seasons of tape going up against first stringers with first stringers on his side. Why take reps away from Palmer to verify something we already know?

 

[oaken1]

K9 is right, probably we have some unjustified expectations
after 6 years of nfl is almost impossible to turn a career
But dreaming is free and I ll be pleased if he can be a solid number 2

Kurt Warner spent the first five years of his career without even making a team...just bouncing around the league from camp to camp.
it is not likely that gabbert is the next warner.... but when some people say something is impossible...it just means it has not happened yet.
Gabbert has had seven different o-coordinators so he has never had an opportunity to get comfortable in an offensive scheme.... he may well just be a victim of where he was drafted

 

[MrYeahBut]

We're just clutching at straws hoping he can be somebody...

 

[BigRedRage]

He has six seasons of tape going up against first stringers with first stringers on his side. Why take reps away from Palmer to verify something we already know?

The only reps I would give him at this point are stantons reps in a game but I preferred that last week. If the plan is Stanton to be #2, its too late to give gabbert better reps than he has been getting. Either way, he is picking it up, learning and if for some reason palmer goes down and Stanton struggles, he will be there waiting. Gabbert is for next year and beyond, Palmer will take us to a championship this year.

 

[Mitch]

Gabbert has all of the physical tools needed to be a top-tier NFL QB... he even has above-average mobility to boot. However, so did Logan Thomas and a parade of other physically gifted QB's who all flamed out at the NFL level.
Gabbert's NFL history is putrid for sure... however, there are fairly legitimate factors that have surrounded his NFL tenure, all of which are quite valid dynamics that can be argued as contributing dynamics behind Gabbert's struggles. Constant change. Poor coaching. Lack of talent around him...
I am certain that the notorious QB Whisperer (BA) looks at Gabbert as fresh clay and is probably feeling pretty confident about the chance to mold Gabbert into a high-quality NFL QB. Hey, who knows... perhaps Gabbert's very presence on the team is enough to keep BA around for a few more years!

Wow, 82CG, this perfectly sums up my thoughts about Blaine Gabbert. I too have been thinking that Gabbert could be the reason why BA stays another year or two. Having Gabbert learn the system for a year is exactly what BA would want. He doesn't have the time or the patience to start from scratch again with a QB, especially with a rookie.

Your term of "fresh clay" is spot-on. Sure, Gabbert has started for two of the worst teams in the NFL. It's tough on any QB when he is always playing from behind and the defense is pinning its ears back and coming full bore at him. What actually impresses me is that despite playing constantly from behind, Gabbert passed for more TDs than interceptions (38/37) -- and given the circumstances and the subpar talent he has surrounding him, that stat is encouraging. But -- the fact remains -- Gabbert has yet to play for the same OC two years in a row.

Gabbert's stats last year with SF, and we know how void of talent they were on offense at WR and in their makeshift o-line...were respectable:

63.1%
2,031 yards
10 TD
7 INT
86.2 QBR

What excites me the most about Gabbert is his escapability from the pocket. BA can run all the spreads and zero backfields he wants because Gabbert can break pressure with his own legs. The pressure that a scrambling QB puts on a defense is enormous. Defenses can't sell out and play man-to-man. They have to keep a LB in as a spy. And even then, Gabbert has the wheels to make one LB miss.

For this reason i also like Jimmy Garoppolo, who isn't a blazer, per se, but he's got excellent feet and a very good sense of how to avoid pressure. But, I have a sneaking suspicion that the Patriots are going to find a way to keep Jimmy G., made easier by that fact that Tom Brady's contract counts so little against their cap.

I also like Tyrod Taylor ---but his lack of height in BA's offense concerns me, which is one of the main reasons why, Gabbert, at 6-4, 235, is enticing.

The only way to properly assess Gabbert is to give him 2-3 years in the same system, so he can gain a command of the offense, while knowing when to rifle passes into tight windows and when to put a little touch on fades, swing passes and hook and ladders.

It's exciting to think too that with Gabbert's athleticism, that could open up the playbook to include bootlegs, waggles, QB draws and speed options. Making BA's offense a little less predictable could pay huge dividends.

 

[kerouac9]

Logan Thomas was always inaccurate and was barely drafted, I wouldnt put them in the same boat at all.

Logan Thomas was picked at the beginning of the 4th round.