Bled+picks=top 7?

[pokerface]

Just wondering if we should just throw our chips in to try and crack the top seven. We have Bledsoe...next year's pick...And the Miami picks. Can it be done? Should it be done? I'd probably try to hold on to one of the Miami picks and not include both. Not sure if any team in the top seven really desires Bled but they could re-deal him for value. I was thinking we could get Jackson and the next best available point guard which should be a good one drafting that high. We'd have so much youth already then who cares about the next draft.

 

[slinslin]

I have read from Dallas fans that would deal #9 for Bled straight up.

New York, Minnesota, Dallas, Sacramento could all use him imo.

Bledsoe (and Knight) for #6, Joakim Noah is fair imo.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I think he would be a fit in Philly with Ben Simmons playing next year.

 

[GatorAZ]

Late lotto sounds best case where that second tier of prospects falls off a bit.

Fultz
Ball
Jackson
Tatum

Smith
Fox
Monk
Isaac
Markannen
Ntilikina
Bridges

 

[Hoop Head]

I would be against trading him in addition to our own pick next year, unless it was heavily protected, but I'd be ok with including one of the Miami picks. I would think he'd be able to warrant #6-10 pick on his own. The only way I'd think you'd need to include a pick with him is if you're looking to move into the top 5 or try and get whoever takes him to also take Knight.

 

[pokerface]

I would be against trading him in addition to our own pick next year, unless it was heavily protected, but I'd be ok with including one of the Miami picks. I would think he'd be able to warrant #6-10 pick on his own. The only way I'd think you'd need to include a pick with him is if you're looking to move into the top 5 or try and get whoever takes him to also take Knight.

I don't think Bled has the value to get a #6-10 pick on his own because he has only two years left on his contract. A team could just draft a decent pg in that range and have him locked in for far longer and far cheaper.

 

[3rdside]

The only problem with trading Bledsoe is that we'd probably suck for another couple years if it's a rookie leading the point.

Which is why I've said Jackson is possibly a more likely target.

With Bledsoe, Booker and Chriss we'd be in a 'win now even though we probably won't quite make the playoffs' mode rather than 'let the rookies grow while being okay with sucking' mode.

Slight but important difference for an owner and fan base tired of losing.

 

[pokerface]

The only problem with trading Bledsoe is that we'd probably suck for another couple years if it's a rookie leading the point.

Which is why I've said Jackson is possibly a more likely target.

With Bledsoe, Booker and Chriss we'd be in a 'win now even though we probably won't quite make the playoffs' mode rather than 'let the rookies grow while being okay with sucking' mode.

Slight but important difference for an owner and fan base tired of losing.

Well I can't argue with anything there. That's a solid point to keeping Bledsoe is it gives the fans more hope for winning now. But if we draft Ball or Fultz I don't see Bled staying very long. Hard to have a PG drafted so high riding the bench.

I thought we might as well bite the bullet now and complete this rebuild... Others probably see it differently.

 

[3rdside]

I've been pulling for Ball but Jackson is a solid playmaker as a hybrid and between him and Bledsoe they'd be feeding Booker and Chriss all day while scoring a ton themselves, and it covers our 'weak spot' at the 3 position.

I still lean Ball as my #1 but would be okay with Jackson if we can't get him..Fultz I just don't warm to - he's a one man show and I hate that.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

Bledsoe to Dallas is an interesting premise. I could see him fitting what they want and need.

If it's the 9th pick, it would depend on who we got earlier for me.

If we picked Jackson or Tatum, I would probably lean toward keeping Bledsoe. The team could start being competitive next year imo and gambling with a Ntilikina for Bledsoe type swap would a) have a more than decent chance of never returning full value and b) definitely set us back in regards to winning. Although I will say the idea of putting a defensive pg and defensive sf around Booker for the next 10 years while maintaining offensive potential as well is enticing.

If we draft Fultz or Ball, I would absolutely trade Bledsoe for the 9th pick. I don't want three point guards again. Done with that experiment under this management regime.

 

[slinslin]

Fultz I just don't warm to - he's a one man show and I hate that.

What utter non-sense, simply shows you have not done any research into Fultz.

Look at how he lead the USA Youth Teams.

Nitlkina has no business at #9 and it would set the franchise back for years to move Bledsoe for Ntilkina.

Ntilkina is like 10th on his own team in assist rate. Absolutely has no clue how to run an offense and is not a playmaker.

 

[3rdside]

Yes, I like to form opinions without knowing what i'm talking about.

I've watched his scouting videos so show me a link that says I'm wrong.

(and Iverson, Marbury and Carmelo probably lead their teams as well but I want nothing to do with them either..)

 

[Hoop Head]

I wouldn't be surprised if Bledsoe asks for a trade if we drafted a PG. He's got to be tired of the revolving door of PG's we've brought in while he's been here and drafting a replacement for him could be the final straw. Hopefully management talks to him if they plan on taking a PG with their pick so we can keep him from going public with a demand. Doing that would allow us more leverage in a trade. I think Ball is the only PG in this draft who could play with Bledsoe and Booker on the court together with some combination of Chriss/Warren/Bender in the front court. Fultz is too ball dominant to play alongside Bledsoe and Booker at the same time. I don't think we should hang onto Bledsoe that long if we did draft Ball, or any PG, even if he doesn't ask for a trade though.

I think a starting 5 of Ball, Booker, Warren, Chriss, and Bender/Len might be better than any other rebuilding team in the league. In a couple of years they could be the new Golden State, they drafted their primary players grow together from the lottery to contention, adding pieces around them up until they decided to let Barnes go for Durant this year. They had Curry, Thompson, Green, and Barnes though from their rookie years on with Bogut, David Lee, and Iggy as the veterans who fit around them.

 

[Hoop Head]

There was that leaked pic from the Magic indicating they're interested in Warren. Could we swing a trade with them for their pick? Maybe Bledsoe and Warren for their pick. If they'd take that I would be ecstatic, probably wishful thinking though.

 

[3rdside]

(and Iverson, Marbury and Carmelo probably lead their teams as well but I want nothing to do with them either..)

You definitely need to throw in Westbrook for good measure - thanks but no thanks.

 

[slinslin]

Yes, I like to form opinions without knowing what i'm talking about.

I've watched his scouting videos so show me a link that says I'm wrong.

(and Iverson, Marbury and Carmelo probably lead their teams as well but I want nothing to do with them either..)

Yeah at this point it is simply worthless to engage in any discussion about Fultz with you at all, your are completely off your rocker.

And Iverson is a league MVP and lead his team to the finals.

 

[3rdside]

Yeah at this point it is simply worthless to engage in any discussion about Fultz with you at all, your are completely off your rocker.

And Iverson is a league MVP and lead his team to the finals.

Lol so no evidence then.

I repeat my statement, I want nothing to do with players like iverson.

 

[slinslin]

Lol so no evidence then.

I repeat my statement, I want nothing to do with players like iverson.

It is pointless to bring up arguments, enough was written about Fultz here but you would never acknowledge that.
You are embracing the stereo-types.

Hopefully we can draft the next Dragic, I mean he is a winner afterall. He is winning so much, he looks like he will miss the playoffs once again.

No Waiters, no wins.

Oops Waiters probabyl fits the stereo-type you dont want too.

 

[3rdside]

Yeah man hopefully we can draft the next Dragic, I mean he is a winner afterall. He is winning so much, he looks like he will miss the playoffs once again.

It is pointless to bring up arguments, enough was written about Fultz here but you would never acknowledge that.
You are embracing the stereo-types.

Lol on Dragic - I still don't think you understand my point about this guy and how it relates to the bigger picture for a decision on either Fultz or Ball; Dragic appears to make his teammates better, that's all, not that he's an awesome player in his own right.

Awesome 'elevating' players are the Kidd's, Nash's an Harden's of the world and Dragic is not one of them but I have never said that he is.

And I'm not embracing stereotypes, I'm forming my own opinion on what I see in the videos - Fultz looks 100% of the time to score first, but will dish if he can.

That's not a player I want on my team because he doesn't appear to elevate those around him. Ball, it would appear, does.

Give me a Kidd over an Iverson any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

 

[slinslin]

So now Harden, who is one of the most often cited comparisons for Markelle Fultz btw, is an elevating player but Fultz 100% looks to score first?

Ah well I am talking to someone who is constantly hating on Eric Bledsoe too.

 

[3rdside]

Well Harden didn't look like he was that guy until DA showed up, so maybe Fultz could be that guy.

Maybe he'll a slightly poorer Russell Westbrook.

Last I checked though we don't have DA as coach and I don't want Westbrook 2.0.

 

[3rdside]

Ah well I am talking to someone who is constantly hating on Eric Bledsoe too.

The funny thing is I'm not entirely sold on Ball either and it may just be better that we slot in Jackson at the 3 and leave Bledsoe and Ulis running the show...

...so there's the argument about being happy not getting the #1 (or #2 in this case) because I take Ball and Fultz over Jackson no questions asked, if that's any consolation for your Fultz love affair.

 

[ArizonaSportsFan]

There was that leaked pic from the Magic indicating they're interested in Warren. Could we swing a trade with them for their pick? Maybe Bledsoe and Warren for their pick. If they'd take that I would be ecstatic, probably wishful thinking though.

I don't want to give up on Warren - I think he has improved quite a bit since his "head incident". He is playing well on the defensive end and shoots the mid-range well. Is his replacement from the draft (the Magic pick) going to be as good or better?

 

[3rdside]

I've been pulling for Ball but Jackson is a solid playmaker as a hybrid and between him and Bledsoe they'd be feeding Booker and Chriss all day while scoring a ton themselves, and it covers our 'weak spot' at the 3 position.

I still lean Ball as my #1 but would be okay with Jackson if we can't get him..Fultz I just don't warm to - he's a one man show and I hate that.

Clarity on this comment - if we get the #2 pick and Ball is gone, I have to go with Fultz because he is clearly the 'better' player than Jackson but because I don't warm to Fultz I'd almost prefer the #3 as Ball and Fultz will almost certainly go #1 and #2.

I know Ouchie you said you pick your player and hope to land the highest pick available to get said player but I'm not sure it's always so simple.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Clarity on this comment - if we get the #2 pick and Ball is gone, I have to go with Fultz because he is clearly the 'better' player than Jackson but because I don't warm to Fultz I'd almost prefer the #3 as Ball and Fultz will almost certainly go #1 and #2.

I know Ouchie you said you pick your player and hope to land the highest pick available to get said player but I'm not sure it's always so simple.

I'm no sarver fan. And I have no delusions that he's "hands off." But he's seemed to learn to take more of a backseat. He's not the sactown guy. McD wouldn't be under pressure to take fultz if he truly preferred Jackson. I've seen a lot of press lately that Jackson going #1 wouldn't be a surprise. Fultz isn't lebron. People wouldn't be going crazy if he wasn't the pick.

The whole wanting to pick later to be "saved from ourselves" is simply (and I don't mean to be disrespectful but I'm at a loss for more appropriate verbiage) a flat out stupid line of reasoning (or lack thereof).