Bled+picks=top 7?

[3rdside]

It's the 'team fit is more important than the player' argument which is entirely logical - only in this case the gap in quality between Fultz and Jackson appears quite large so it's a no brainer taking Fultz over Jackson at #2 if that's the choice we're facing.

But by choosing a guard when we're already filled there then it could cause complications (not that I'm that high on Bledsoe but let's pretend I am) and I can't deny the thought of Bledsoe, Booker, Jackson and Chriss is potentially better than Fultz, Booker, Warren and Chriss...Jackson could slot in very nicely with what we've got already.

In other words, I don't want to be saved from myself rather I'd be fine missing out on the #2 if Jackson was the consolation prize.

 

[3rdside]

The whole wanting to pick later to be "saved from ourselves" is simply (and I don't mean to be disrespectful but I'm at a loss for more appropriate verbiage) a flat out stupid line of reasoning (or lack thereof).

And I'm fairly sure there's a technical term for the "I don't mean to call you stupid but you're stupid" line of argument!

 

[JCSunsfan]

It's the 'team fit is more important than the player' argument which is entirely logical - only in this case the gap in quality between Fultz and Jackson appears quite large so it's a no brainer taking Fultz over Jackson at #2 if that's the choice we're facing.

But by choosing a guard when we're already filled there then it could cause complications (not that I'm that high on Bledsoe but let's pretend I am) and I can't deny the thought of Bledsoe, Booker, Jackson and Chriss is potentially better than Fultz, Booker, Warren and Chriss...Jackson could slot in very nicely with what we've got already.

In other words, I don't want to be saved from myself rather I'd be fine missing out on the #2 if Jackson was the consolation prize.

That is the real issue isn't it? If you see all three players almost equal, it only makes sense to choose the one that is the best fit for your team. If you see a big gap between the two guards and Jackson, then you have to pick the BPA.

I think Jackson could be the best of the three.

 

[JCSunsfan]

It's the 'team fit is more important than the player' argument which is entirely logical - only in this case the gap in quality between Fultz and Jackson appears quite large so it's a no brainer taking Fultz over Jackson at #2 if that's the choice we're facing.

But by choosing a guard when we're already filled there then it could cause complications (not that I'm that high on Bledsoe but let's pretend I am) and I can't deny the thought of Bledsoe, Booker, Jackson and Chriss is potentially better than Fultz, Booker, Warren and Chriss...Jackson could slot in very nicely with what we've got already.

In other words, I don't want to be saved from myself rather I'd be fine missing out on the #2 if Jackson was the consolation prize.

That is the real issue isn't it? If you see all three players almost equal, it only makes sense to choose the one that is the best fit for your team. If you see a big gap between the two guards and Jackson, then you have to pick the BPA.

I think Jackson could be the best of the three.

 

[Hoop Head]

I don't want to give up on Warren - I think he has improved quite a bit since his "head incident". He is playing well on the defensive end and shoots the mid-range well. Is his replacement from the draft (the Magic pick) going to be as good or better?

I like Warren, a lot, but if we could trade Warren and Bledsoe for the #5 pick in this draft I think it's something that should be done. He has health concerns and I think Jackson is a better player at SF. I'd prefer to keep Warren but if we could end up with say the #3 and #5 pick then we should be able to get his replacement. Of course it's hypothetical, I'm not sure if Orlando would be interested in Bledsoe but they are interested in Warren. It's a matter of what could be combined with Warren to get the Magic pick this year.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I like Warren, a lot, but if we could trade Warren and Bledsoe for the #5 pick in this draft I think it's something that should be done. He has health concerns and I think Jackson is a better player at SF. I'd prefer to keep Warren but if we could end up with say the #3 and #5 pick then we should be able to get his replacement. Of course it's hypothetical, I'm not sure if Orlando would be interested in Bledsoe but they are interested in Warren. It's a matter of what could be combined with Warren to get the Magic pick this year.

Not for the #5 pick. Warren is proven productive. I am not sure there is a guarantee of that at 5. I would do it for a top 3 pick, but I doubt anyone would trade one of those for that.

 

[Hoop Head]

Tatum is projected to be there at #5 according to NBADraft.net. If we could land Tatum and either Ball or Fultz then I think that would be a really good draft. They have Jackson going #1 to Boston, which makes sense for them.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Tatum is projected to be there at #5 according to NBADraft.net. If we could land Tatum and either Ball or Fultz then I think that would be a really good draft. They have Jackson going #1 to Boston, which makes sense for them.

OK. But is Tatum better than TJ? I am not convinced of that. This is a bird in the hand sort of thing to me.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Tatum is projected to be there at #5 according to NBADraft.net. If we could land Tatum and either Ball or Fultz then I think that would be a really good draft. They have Jackson going #1 to Boston, which makes sense for them.

OK. But is Tatum better than TJ? I am not convinced of that. This is a bird in the hand sort of thing to me.

 

[slinslin]

OK. But is Tatum better than TJ? I am not convinced of that. This is a bird in the hand sort of thing to me.

Serious question?

Tatum is a much better prospect than TJ was.

If a 24yro TJ is better than a 19yro Tatum is a moot point.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Bledsoe and Jackson

Or

Fultz/Ball and TJ

Which combo is preferred?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Serious question?

Tatum is a much better prospect than TJ was.

If a 24yro TJ is better than a 19yro Tatum is a moot point.

But "prospect" is key. Tatum is potential. He could suck (not that I expect that). Warren is a somewhat proven vet. We know he can be a valuable contributor. There's value in that knowledge.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Bledsoe and Jackson

Or

Fultz/Ball and TJ

Which combo is preferred?

Bledsoe/Jackson would likely be better right away, but Fultz/TJ will likely be better long term. This is more talking about offensively, but defensively Bledsoe/Jackson would likely always be better on that end, but the question would then be how long can those players actually stay together? Beyond the remaining 2 years on Bledsoe's contract?

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

But "prospect" is key. Tatum is potential. He could suck (not that I expect that). Warren is a somewhat proven vet. We know he can be a valuable contributor. There's value in that knowledge.

He also has a problem with staying on the court thus far in his career. He has missed nearly 100 games in 3 seasons.

 

[slinslin]

By the same argument then we should not draft Fultz or Ball because Bledsoe is much better than what they will be right away and Bledsoe is much better than TJ Warren.

Also we would get more value for Bledsoe than what we would get for TJ who we would not even trade anyway.

Tatum can play with either Chriss or Warren or both, I have no doubt about that.

 

[Mainstreet]

I like Warren, a lot, but if we could trade Warren and Bledsoe for the #5 pick in this draft I think it's something that should be done. He has health concerns and I think Jackson is a better player at SF. I'd prefer to keep Warren but if we could end up with say the #3 and #5 pick then we should be able to get his replacement. Of course it's hypothetical, I'm not sure if Orlando would be interested in Bledsoe but they are interested in Warren. It's a matter of what could be combined with Warren to get the Magic pick this year.

IMO, this is giving up a lot for the #5 pick. Trading Bledsoe alone might get the Suns a top ten pick.

 

[JCSunsfan]

By the same argument then we should not draft Fultz or Ball because Bledsoe is much better than what they will be right away and Bledsoe is much better than TJ Warren.

Also we would get more value for Bledsoe than what we would get for TJ who we would not even trade anyway.

Tatum can play with either Chriss or Warren or both, I have no doubt about that.

I am glad that you don't doubt it, but I do. I really still have not seen anything that would indicate Tatum is a can't miss project. Remember that TJ was a fantastic college player too.

 

[Hoop Head]

It all depends on who is on the board at that point, really. I like TJ a lot but getting someone younger to grow with Booker and our other draft pick might be a better way to go. Warren's durability is a big question mark to us fans and one of the reasons I'm hesitant to count on him full time as our starting SF. If McD has an area of expertise it's got to be drafting and scouting players because he's done a great job considering where our picks have been and what he's managed to bring in.

I'm not the GM, thankfully, because I'd try hard to get another pick towards the top of the draft using Bledsoe as bait. The reason I threw TJ's name out there is because it's known that Orlando is interested, although I highly doubt they'd trade their pick for TJ straight up because I'm sure they could get a better offer.

 

[JCSunsfan]

It all depends on who is on the board at that point, really. I like TJ a lot but getting someone younger to grow with Booker and our other draft pick might be a better way to go. Warren's durability is a big question mark to us fans and one of the reasons I'm hesitant to count on him full time as our starting SF. If McD has an area of expertise it's got to be drafting and scouting players because he's done a great job considering where our picks have been and what he's managed to bring in.

I'm not the GM, thankfully, because I'd try hard to get another pick towards the top of the draft using Bledsoe as bait. The reason I threw TJ's name out there is because it's known that Orlando is interested, although I highly doubt they'd trade their pick for TJ straight up because I'm sure they could get a better offer.

Do you really think age is an issue with TJ?

 

[Mainstreet]

Do you really think age is an issue with TJ?

Suns fans are into the youth movement big time.

 

[GatorAZ]

Might sound harsh but TJ Warren doesn't do anything for me. He's hovering around 14 pts on 12 shots, doesn't playmake as a SF and can't shoot 3's or get to the line. I see him as a 6th-man type wing.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

He does a lot for me as a top bench player. But yeah, as a starter I have concerns. Actually, I wouldn't even mind him as a starter...just not a starter next to Booker. I think we need a starting SF who puts a primary focus on defense. Ideally, they would be great on offense too, but the defense is key. Josh Jackson would be an amazing fit, I think.

It's funny, because I'm realizing that also kind of describes PJ Tucker...I just think he was always overrated on defense and was difficult to watch on offense.

 

[RINGLESS]

Trivia: In what year will the Suns have a winning season. Bonus, in what year will the Suns win their division?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Might sound harsh but TJ Warren doesn't do anything for me. He's hovering around 14 pts on 12 shots, doesn't playmake as a SF and can't shoot 3's or get to the line. I see him as a 6th-man type wing.

agreed. He'd be a really solid bench player, but all the lauding of him A a great pick seems questionable to me. He's not an elite athlete, defender, playmaker, shooter... you gotta be ONE of those things to be a legit 3 in this league.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

Trivia: In what year will the Suns have a winning season. Bonus, in what year will the Suns win their division?

Winning Season: 2018-2019

Division Winners: 2024-2025