Bledsoe to Bucks

[elindholm]

Gambo says Suns get pick if between 11-16. If higher or lower, rolls over into 2019 where it's Suns between 4-16. Only protected 1-7 in 2020. 2021 unprotected.

So, if I'm counting correctly, #16 means the second-worst playoff team, right? Milwaukee will probably be better than that this year, and very likely better than that next year. So it looks like a late first-rounder in 2020.

Offhand, that doesn't seem any better for the Suns than if they just took it at 11+ this year, come hell or high water. I wonder whether this bizarre set of conditions was McDonough's idea, or Milwaukee's?

 

[StreetTruckinTitan]

What we were expecting and what we should expecting out of this ownership and front office are two different things.

If this is all were getting for bled can you imagine what the other teams were offering? Im afraid this is what the market bears for a talent like bledsoe? Should we have traded him & Jackson last season for Kyrie? Probably so.

 

[elindholm]

And for the 2nd round, we could lose it altogether

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Okay, that's just bizarre:

Bucks wind up at #11-#16 this year: Suns get both the first-round pick and the second-round pick.

Bucks wind up at #17, and thus also #47: Suns get the first-round pick in a future year, and the second-round pick now.

Bucks wind up at #18 or later, and thus also #48 or later: Suns get the first-round pick in a future year, and the second-round pick never.

What's so magical about being at #17 that warrants unique treatment?

 

[StreetTruckinTitan]

Gambo's saying Bled #1 team to go to was the bucks. I dont believe that for a second. Everyone knows he wanted to be with his boy in Cleveland. So enjoy milwaukee you little MFing liar.

 

[Praxis]

So, if I'm counting correctly, #16 means the second-worst playoff team, right? Milwaukee will probably be better than that this year, and very likely better than that next year. So it looks like a late first-rounder in 2020.

Offhand, that doesn't seem any better for the Suns than if they just took it at 11+ this year, come hell or high water. I wonder whether this bizarre set of conditions was McDonough's idea, or Milwaukee's?

Exactly how I feel. Bledsoe definitely helps Milwaukee compete in the East, even if he only stays through next season. It seems like we will cash in on the pick in 2020 if we choose to keep it. Likely to be a low first in 2021 too if Giannis is healthy and still with the Bucks. The restrictions don't help us at all.

 

[SirStefan32]

Was hoping for more, but that's a reasonable deal. At worst, it's a future first-round pick and an expiring contract. I have a feeling this is not the only deal we'll see between now and the trade deadline. Monroe actually might be a good fit. He can score in the low post, he rebounds well, and he can also pass the ball.

 

[Praxis]

Was hoping for more, but that's a reasonable deal. At worst, it's a future first-round pick and an expiring contract. I have a feeling this is not the only deal we'll see between now and the trade deadline. Monroe actually might be a good fit. He can score in the low post, he rebounds well, and he can also pass the ball.

His value is as an expiring contract. He is more likely to be released than have a role on this team.

 

[CardsFan88]

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Well, as long as we have a plan...

I wonder if the Bucks GM punked McD by mentioning they were talking with the 76ers about Okafor.

It just seems weird to make this deal with an up and coming, and perhaps championship level team in the future when your public position was to wait for the right deal.

Clearly those intriguing offers he was receiving couldn't of been that intriguing.

 

[devilalum]

So the Suns are getting 47 first round picks?


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[Raindog]

Not a great trade, but not surprising considering how the front office played this, and that the Suns are generally considered to be a clown show around the league. I'm sure they were getting nothing but lowball offers, and this was the best of the ones they got.

Of course, if they had been patient and waited until the deadline, someone would have had to offer something better. But I am sure Sarver and McDonough did not like the negative image that was compounding daily sitting on this.

My only real concern is if they actually end up playing Monroe and he contributes just enough to make them just lousy to mediocre instead of atrocious, and they end up at the back end of the lottery, picking somewhere in the 10 to 14 range. That would fit in with the Suns usual haplessness/incompetence.

Best case scenario, they just release or sit Monroe, and hopefully Bucks stumble just enough with mixing Bledsoe into their team chemistry that the pick conveys at its highest possible value this year... then maybe you can say they "won" the deal.

 

[Finito]

How odd all the restrictions on this pick. So at worse we will have 2 first rounders this year and 3 next.

I see a lot of willing and dealing in our future there comes a time when you have to cash in all these assets

 

[TJ]

Okay, that's just bizarre:

Bucks wind up at #11-#16 this year: Suns get both the first-round pick and the second-round pick.

Bucks wind up at #17, and thus also #47: Suns get the first-round pick in a future year, and the second-round pick now.

Bucks wind up at #18 or later, and thus also #48 or later: Suns get the first-round pick in a future year, and the second-round pick never.

What's so magical about being at #17 that warrants unique treatment?

Even if the first round pick were unprotected, it would be a bad deal. The fact that McD had to settle for this weird provision indicates he did a poor job of negotiating this deal.

 

[JCSunsfan]

If you are really feeling bad about this deal, just remember what the Lakers gave up to move Mozgov.

 

[TJ]

Gambo's saying Bled #1 team to go to was the bucks. I dont believe that for a second. Everyone knows he wanted to be with his boy in Cleveland. So enjoy milwaukee you little MFing liar.

I really find it funny that people think like this. He can hang w/ LBJ in the off-season. I doubt Bledsoe wants to share a backcourt with IT and D-Rose. It makes sense that he wants to go to Milwaukee. Team is a piece or two away from being a contender.

 

[pokerface]

Yeah just a luke warm feeling on this trade. Considering some fans on this board thought Bledsoe was tanking this team and he wasn't even playing right now I'm not sure what we were to expect. Plus Bled only has two seasons left on his contract.


The real crime was Bledsoe wasn't traded last season by trade deadline. His value was at its peak...a team could gotten three playoffs out of him...and they never would have had to sit him and could have avoided a spectacle.

 

[Folster]

It's pretty simple.

The Bucks wanted downside protection so they didn't end up losing a top 10 pick in case of a meltdown. The Suns wanted protection to ensure they didn't get stuck with a late first rounder. Not to mention we can't add 3 more 1st rounders to the roster this offseason. Delaying the pick until a future year makes sense.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Yeah just a luke warm feeling on this trade. Considering some fans on this board thought Bledsoe was tanking this team and he wasn't even playing right now I'm not sure what we were to expect. Plus Bled only has two seasons left on his contract.


The real crime was Bledsoe wasn't traded last season by trade deadline. His value was at its peak...a team could gotten three playoffs out of him...and they never would have had to sit him and could have avoided a spectacle.

Agreed. The time to trade him was last year mid-season.

 

[CardsFan88]

It's pretty simple.

The Bucks wanted downside protection so they didn't end up losing a top 10 pick in case of a meltdown. The Suns wanted protection to ensure they didn't get stuck with a late first rounder. Not to mention we can't add 3 more 1st rounders to the roster this offseason. Delaying the pick until a future year makes sense.

But where McD err'ed is that the Bucks have a guy who might be the next LeBron. So as time goes on, they are likely only going to get better and better.

So it's likely a mid 20's-30 overall pick in 2020. So we wait 2 1/2 years for a bottom of the barrel first round pick.

Bucks first round picks are only going to get worse as time goes on. So early protections plus 2020 even better protection then 2019 and no protection in 2021 basically makes them completely favor the Bucks unless something crazy happens. The only real chance of the pick conveying is when the young Bucks are in their prime.

A season ending Giannis injury is about the only way we don't get a low 1st round pick in 2020.

Hopefully we trade this pick along with a veteran like Chandler/Dudley for something, then also trade Monroe's expiring contract for a 1st. So the sky isn't falling or anything, and I agree we should of traded Bledsoe by the deadline last year.


On the humorous side, Ball's brother was one of a few UCLA players arrested in China for shoplifting.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Agreed. The time to trade him was last year mid-season.

or even in the off-season. Waiting for this to blow up in our faces just shows how little foresight McD and company have.

 

[Chaplin]

or even in the off-season. Waiting for this to blow up in our faces just shows how little foresight McD and company have.

Sadly, I think you're right. I've been one of those that have tried to give McD the benefit of the doubt, but with this trade, especially with the bizarre protections on the pick, I have soured on him. My biggest fear at this point is the remaining McD supporters blaming this trade on Sarver.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I just find these reactions amazing. The pick has upside and downside limitations. I like it. I think there is a good chance it conveys this year.

BTW. The Bucks now get to deal with Rich Paul.

 

[hcsilla]

Again, the stupidest thing was the approach.

Bledsoe requested a trade off-season but Sarver and/or McD denied since they thought "with this young group we had a chance for the play-off". That's the same thinking that did lead to the Knight-trade.

I simply can not believe how is that possible that an NBA GM can not face reality and acknowledge that his team is not only bad but also lacks core players except Booker. And if that's the case why not try to get further core players mostly via draft picks that would be acquired by trading their moveable players.

No, instead they are sitting on Bledsoe despite his trade request and keep employing one of most hopeless young head coaches until they (Bledsoe, Watson and McD) together finally unite their forces and crash the value of their best player.

Priceless.

 

[Chaplin]

Again, the stupidest thing was the approach.

Bledsoe requested a trade mid-season but Sarver and/or McD denied since they thought "with this young group we had a chance for the play-off". That's the same thinking that did lead to the Knight-trade.

I simply can not believe how is that possible that an NBA GM can not face reality and acknowledge that his team is not only bad but also lacks core players except Booker. And if that's the case why not try to get further core players mostly via draft picks that would be acquired by trading their moveable players.

No, instead they are sitting on Bledsoe despite his trade request and keep employing one of most hopeless young head coaches until they (Bledsoe, Watson and McD) together finally unite their forces and crash the value of their best player.

Priceless.

Bledsoe did not request a trade mid-season.

 

[elindholm]

But where McD err'ed is that the Bucks have a guy who might be the next LeBron. So as time goes on, they are likely only going to get better and better.

So it's likely a mid 20's-30 overall pick in 2020. So we wait 2 1/2 years for a bottom of the barrel first round pick.

Right. The protection in 2018 and 2019 is fine, but the protection in 2020 favors only Milwaukee, and it should have been easy to forecast that that's the year that's most likely to come into play. I mean, most of us figured it out within a few minutes. How long did McDonough think about it?

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I just find these reactions amazing. The pick has upside and downside limitations. I like it. I think there is a good chance it conveys this year.

BTW. The Bucks now get to deal with Rich Paul.

You clearly don't understand what we received. Do you honestly think there is any chance we'll get that pick in this draft? Do you understand how terrible the East is, and that Milwaukee has a potential MVP on their team?

Barring massive injuries, the Bucks will make the playoffs, both this year and next. We traded a very solid player for a bag of beans in 2020. MARKIEFF, with all of his drama and bad attitude nabbed a LOTTERY PICK!!!!

This is a terrible deal, and there was no compelling reason to get it done. Bledsoe wasn't going to play for us, openly sabotaged the team, and we gave him exactly what he wanted. Why not wait until a decent team has an injury at PG, or until we received a good offer? Explain to me the urgency of doing this right now.