Bledsoe to Bucks

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Only thing moose doesn’t offer is defense or rim protection. He’s a good scorer from the post a good rebounder and a nifty passer. If we had guys who could knock down jumpers he’d be a nice fit. But he also doesn’t fit the timeline.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Only thing moose doesn’t offer is defense or rim protection. He’s a good scorer from the post a good rebounder and a nifty passer. If we had guys who could knock down jumpers he’d be a nice fit. But he also doesn’t fit the timeline.

I would not call him a good rebounder, at least recently. But Ok on the rest.

 

[Folster]

Bledsoe and Rich Paul called McDs bluff. I think McD was content to wait, but the prospect of Bledsoe returning to the team facility prompted him to pull the trigger.

As of now the Suns lost the trade, let's get a look at Monroe and see if he is worth keeping or what his expiring contract can be flipped for. This talk of cutting him better be a joke. His contract is an asset that will gain value as the season progresses and teams that underperformed look to cut salary.

I'll reserve judgement because we've seen a recent example this summer when everyone thought Indy got fleeced by OKC, but so far Oladipo and Sabonis are looking pretty good.

 

[BC867]

I am not pessimistic, but I am not this optimistic. To me, his value is an expiring.

But BC ought to be happy. He is a 265 lb center. BC likes bulk in a center.

More than bulk -- power, consistent power and, yes, a big body in the post. A lead rebounder, especially with the game on the line.

Even if Monroe is not an ideal rebounder, it should be better than hoping that an aging Chandler or an inconsistent Len rises to the occasion on any given day.

With Bledsoe representing addition by subtraction, even if Grag Monroe is an expiring contract, Bledsoe had to go. The sooner the better. From a public relations point of view, we can now move on.

I saw the comments that Chriss has been a disappointment, which doesn't shock me. I hope that neither he nor Knight are part of our rebuilding. And Len. Whatever he does in this contract year will not be an indication of the future. When unmotivated, his past certainly hasn't been a success. Neither has his overall skill level.

Yup, weeding out the negatives is the first step in building this new foundation. It is defensive. And reactionary. But it is essential to present the young guys on the team with a positive well-rounded foundation.

Unfortunately, I don't expect it to happen, but I would like to see McD gone as soon as the last negative is gone. Do I trust Sarver to consider that? Of course not. But, then, I'd like to see him gone, too. Arte Moreno, where are you?

 

[elindholm]

Only thing moose doesn’t offer is defense or rim protection. He’s a good scorer from the post a good rebounder and a nifty passer. If we had guys who could knock down jumpers he’d be a nice fit. But he also doesn’t fit the timeline.

He's 27. It's not realistic to have every player on the roster fit into a three- or four-year age range.

 

[Raindog]

Monroe's only value to the Suns is as an expiring contract... believe me, they are likely already trying to move him and I would be surprised if he is still here after the trade deadline. At this point, they certainly aren't going to let on that they would cut him loose if they can't trade him, not after they scuttled much of Bledsoe's trade value doing the equivalent.

The fact is they are terrible with or without him, but slightly less terrible with... which does not help them at all in the big picture. If they do end up playing him at all, it will be irrelevant since he will certainly be gone after the season is over. There really is no upside to having him here outside of whatever they might be able to move him for before his contract ends.

 

[JCSunsfan]

He's 27. It's not realistic to have every player on the roster fit into a three- or four-year age range.

Amen. Keep preaching!

 

[SweetD]

Bledsoe and Rich Paul called McDs bluff. I think McD was content to wait, but the prospect of Bledsoe returning to the team facility prompted him to pull the trigger.

As of now the Suns lost the trade, let's get a look at Monroe and see if he is worth keeping or what his expiring contract can be flipped for. This talk of cutting him better be a joke. His contract is an asset that will gain value as the season progresses and teams that underperformed look to cut salary.

I'll reserve judgement because we've seen a recent example this summer when everyone thought Indy got fleeced by OKC, but so far Oladipo and Sabonis are looking pretty good.

I think they where more worried about Bledsoe hurting himself while playing pickup and working outside the supervision of the team trainers.

Then we would get nothing.

 

[devilalum]

Suns are trying to move Monroe before they buy him out.


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[sdscard4]

Well just when you think you see where McD is going......now they might be trying to trade Monroe for Okafor? My goodness

 

[Carolinacacti]

They need to put someone down low. I'm sick of Chriss getting pushed around. Sit back and watch the soap opera.

 

[Folster]

Well just when you think you see where McD is going......now they might be trying to trade Monroe for Okafor? My goodness

Source?

 

[Mainstreet]

I have a lot of catching up to do but it sounds like the Suns traded Bledsoe for essentially a first round pick and an expiring contract.

This is probably Bledsoe's value unfortunately.

 

[Mainstreet]

Exactly, it just doesn't make sense for McD to make such a trade.

We have to pretty much hope they somehow only get like a 7th or 8th seed in the East this year, and I think most here believe they are going to be quite a bit better then that.

Then not knowing whether we are going to keep, trade, or buyout Monroe just makes it look worse.

Just reeks of a panic trade.

I think the Suns had their hands full after Bledsoe said he didn't want to be here.

Other teams had a chance to beat the Bucks trade offer and apparently didn't.

Under the circumstances I think this is Bledsoe's market value.

I think the Suns have had their fill of dead weight contracts like Brandon Knight.

The worst thing the Suns could have done is meet Blesoe's contract demands.

 

[fatosber]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21333075/phoenix-suns-prefer-trade-greg-monroe-rather-buy-out

 

[JCSunsfan]

Funny. Bledsoe is not worth Brogdon, but when he is traded he is an upgrade over Brogdon at pg.

Talking heads are such hypocrites.

 

[Raindog]

Interesting... Okafor doesn't have a lot of value since his option has already been declined, so it could give Phoenix some bargaining power to get a sweetener from Philly. If McD could somehow move Monroe to Philly for Okafor (plus likely another contract), and possibly leverage another future draft pick from Philly, the Bledsoe trade could turn into not such a bad deal.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Interesting... Okafor doesn't have a lot of value since his option has already been declined, so it could give Phoenix some bargaining power to get a sweetener from Philly. If McD could somehow move Monroe to Philly for Okafor (plus likely another contract), and possibly leverage another future draft pick from Philly, the Bledsoe trade could turn into not such a bad deal.

Philly has been asking for a future first in exchange fornOkafor. It’s stupid. I would stay away. If we want him, sign him in the off season.

 

[GatorAZ]

So the Bucks can barely miss the playoffs or be 1&done as a 7-8 seed and we get the pick?

 

[Raindog]

Philly has been asking for a future first in exchange fornOkafor. It’s stupid. I would stay away. If we want him, sign him in the off season.

Philly is in the same position with Okafor that the Suns were with Bledsoe - they are desperate to move him for anything ASAP. But because they have already declined his option, effectively making him a rental for any team they trade him to, they don't have a lot of bargaining power to get a really worthy return.

Hence, if the Suns play it right, they should be able to get Okafor PLUS some kind of other asset to take him off Philly's hands, particularly since Monroe's expiring contract has some fair value, as could Monroe himself, as a backup insurance for Embiid.

 

[elindholm]

Hence, if the Suns play it right, they should be able to get Okafor PLUS some kind of other asset to take him off Philly's hands

I don't follow you. Okafor is making only $5 million in the last year of his contract, and Philadelphia is below the NBA salary floor as it is. If they can't get something of value for him, they'll just keep him (or maybe waive him). They aren't going to include another asset just to unload him.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I don't follow you. Okafor is making only $5 million in the last year of his contract, and Philadelphia is below the NBA salary floor as it is. If they can't get something of value for him, they'll just keep him (or maybe waive him). They aren't going to include another asset just to unload him.

Right.

 

[Errntknght]

Funny. Bledsoe is not worth Brogdon, but when he is traded he is an upgrade over Brogdon at pg.

Talking heads are such hypocrites.

Won't argue with your last line.
I think Kidd wants Bled to run the show when Giannis is off the floor. He's more aggressive than Brogdan, who's more a glue guy. I'd say that Brogdan is a better facilitator and he can do it without having the ball in his hands all the time. A typical possession will be that Bled tries to penetrate for 15 seconds and if he gets naught from it, he hands it off to Brogdan to run a play - the latter will also be making sure Bled always has an outlet while he's probing. It will sort of be like Bled and Dragic, except Brogdan won't pout about his role - he'll be thinking about how to attack when he gets the ball. It also works because Bled won't be playing 30 minutes so he can go hard on defense when he is on the floor.

True, Bled has to accept the fact that he's not the 'man', which is what he's always wanted. Kidd's job will be to convince him he's more valuable playing all out for 18 minutes than he is cruising on D, so he can run the offense for 33 minutes. It should be easier for Bled to accept it coming to Giannis' team. I may be giving Kidd too much credit but it's such a natural train of events I think he'll jump right on it.

 

[Raindog]

I don't follow you. Okafor is making only $5 million in the last year of his contract, and Philadelphia is below the NBA salary floor as it is. If they can't get something of value for him, they'll just keep him (or maybe waive him). They aren't going to include another asset just to unload him.

They seem determined to get rid of him hell or high water, just like the Suns were with Bledsoe - presumably because having him sitting on the bench is an uncomfortable distraction for the rest of the team. At this point, it sounds like they will take just about any deal to move on from the situation. Monroe could have more than nominal value to them as a backup, given Embiid's always precarious state of health. And like the Suns, they have extra picks to burn... but unlike the Suns, they are starting to be a playoff level team, and could actually use some vet help to augment their young roster.

 

[Raindog]

Not to mention, Philly owes us after the Brandon Knight trade fiasco.