Bledsoe to Bucks

[hcsilla]

So the Bucks can barely miss the playoffs or be 1&done as a 7-8 seed and we get the pick?

Yes, and it is not out of question at all that we will get the pick this year.

Bucks is OK, but it is not given that they will make the PO.

There are no words to describe how good is Giannis, Middleton and Brogdon are good as well, Bledsoe comes in, but they still will have a hole in the starting five and their bench is pathetic. Their best benchplayer is Teletovic which is telling a lot.

 

[Errntknght]

Yes, and it is not out of question at all that we will get the pick this year.

Bucks is OK, but it is not given that they will make the PO.

There are no words to describe how good is Giannis, Middleton and Brogdon are good as well, Bledsoe comes in, but they still will have a hole in the starting five and their bench is pathetic. Their best benchplayer is Teletovic which is telling a lot.

Oh, come on, they have John Henson, Jabari Parker, Tony Snell and Thon Maker who are all better than Teletovic. They'll miss Monroe's rebounding but they've been unhappy with him for other reasons - they only played him 22 mpg last year and 16 this year in five of nine games due his calf injury. They are not a lock for the playoffs but if Bledsoe wants to be there and plays up to his talent level I'd say their odds are about 2-1 in favor of making it - I'd jump on an even money bet if someone wanted to offer it. Heck, Cleveland doesn't look like a lock at this point. I won't be shocked if they finish fifth in the East.

 

[Mainstreet]

I'm not sure if this got posted so I will put it up.

John Gambadoro‏Verified account@Gambo987 13h13 hours ago


Monroe still injured (calf) will likely be out another week or so.

John Gambadoro‏Verified account@Gambo987 13h13 hours ago


Suns plan on keeping Greg Monroe at this time.

 

[Mainstreet]

The Suns have some options.

A Chandler trade is looking more and more likely IMO because clearing cap space could make the Suns a player in the offseason.

Monroe’s addition gives the Suns a logjam at center with Alex Len and Tyson Chandler. Phoenix wants to find minutes for Len, so it could flip Monroe to another team or finally find a new home for Chandler.

Trading Monroe doesn’t give Phoenix any more cap space; his contract expires after this season. But Chandler is due $13.5 million in 2018-19, so if the Suns could trade him for another expiring deal, the subtraction of his contract – along with Monroe’s – would give Phoenix an additional $31 million in cap space next summer, enough to try to lure an elite free agent.

With the additional first-round draft pick McDonough obtained, there remains the possibility the Suns could try to package a big man plus a future asset for a starting point guard. Mike James and Tyler Ulis have struggled replacing Bledsoe; both are shooting less than 40 percent from the field and 35 percent from 3-point range.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/spor...nix-suns-eric-bledsoe-trade-rumors/791154001/

 

[devilalum]

Monroe’s expiring contract might come in handy at the deadline.


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[Mainstreet]

Monroe’s expiring contract might come in handy at the deadline.

I can see the Suns being players at the trade deadline although Monroe may or may not be a piece. IMO, Chandler is the more likely player to be traded.

The Suns should be in a position to combine assets to trade for a key player especially this summer.

They will likely have the cap space and the ability to overpay (draft picks and a player) for a missing piece. Before, the Suns have never been willing and able to overpay for a top player.

Booker and Warren need help going forward.

 

[overseascardfan]

I don’t get the need for cap space, players would have to want to come here and with the management we have it makes PHX unappealing.

 

[Mainstreet]

I don’t get the need for cap space, players would have to want to come here and with the management we have it makes PHX unappealing.

If we were talking only about free agency, I think you have a point. However, the Suns have enough assets (draft picks and young players) where they can now throw ridiculous trade packages for a player they want from a team that can't quite turn the corner and decides to rebuild.

If Anthony Davis ever became available, he is the type player the Suns might target in a trade.

 

[Mainstreet]

The Suns will explore trades for Monroe before a buyout.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21333075/phoenix-suns-prefer-trade-greg-monroe-rather-buy-out

 

[Ronin]

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[StreetTruckinTitan]

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Since he's the common denominator he has nobody but himself to blame.

 

[Folster]

This is interesting...

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They literally just moved DJJ to NAZ and now are calling him up. Might be a trade or more likely a buyout of Monroe.

 

[Hoop Head]

I don’t get the need for cap space, players would have to want to come here and with the management we have it makes PHX unappealing.

It's better to have than not have. Also this will be the 3rd offseason since the cap spike and the only contract the Suns have signed anyone to under the increased cap has been Dudley so they've played it smart not overspending but adding a good role player or two would help this team a lot. I don't see a star headed this way unless it's a trade but the flexibility and options will be nice to have.

Also look at the Nets and how they got DeAngelo Russel in a trade for taking on Mozgov's contract. With Lebron being a free agent and most likely leaving Cleveland a lot of teams will be looking to dump salaries and it'd be nice to be able to take advantage of a team desperate to shed cap space. Like how Boston traded Avery Bradley for Marcus Morris last summer to make room for Gordon Hayward. I'd really like to see the Suns make a run at Bradley in free agency and I think he's obtainable for them but being able to be a team to take on a quality player like Bradley or a young player like Russell in a cap saving move is the most likely thing to happen for the Suns.

 

[Hoop Head]

I hope the Suns hold onto Monroe until the deadline to see how Booker plays with a real low post presence offensively. Also Chriss playing against Monroe in practice might help him. Everybody has talked about where he fits but he played as a PF in Detroit for most of his career, where he was most efficient, so I don't think he has to be played at Center exclusively and could see time with Chandler or Len on the court.

Unless Monroe is traded by himself the Suns need to wait 60 days to trade him in a package deal with any other players. That would mean early January.

 

[Covert Rain]

There is one thing about this trade that is going to come to fruition. We are going to see how ready Booker really is. Over the long haul of an 82 game season they are going to heavily rely on Booker being a consistent performer. I think by season end we will have the most complete picture yet of what Booker will mean to the franchise long term.

 

[JCSunsfan]

There is one thing about this trade that is going to come to fruition. We are going to see how ready Booker really is. Over the long haul of an 82 game season they are going to heavily rely on Booker being a consistent performer. I think by season end we will have the most complete picture yet of what Booker will mean to the franchise long term.

There is truth in this. We will see if he steps up. The Knicks became Zingers team with the trade of Melo. That guy has stepped up.

 

[BC867]

There is one thing about this trade that is going to come to fruition. We are going to see how ready Booker really is. Over the long haul of an 82 game season they are going to heavily rely on Booker being a consistent performer. I think by season end we will have the most complete picture yet of what Booker will mean to the franchise long term.

There is another consideration in evaluating DBook's future by season end. That is, the quality of the players who surround him. Just as in most other sports.

This season's team is so young, it is hardly settled. And that puts more pressure on a young Devin Booker than if he were with a quality team. The more dysfunctional the playoff-less tank-prone Suns are, the more difficult it will be to set his future in stone this season. It is ongoing. And, under present circumstances, the Suns have not gone well for years.

That is a major reason why I believe that the limitations of Sarver and McDonough will hold the team back -- Devin Booker and all of our young players. And, in the long run, the good ones that we are hoping for will want out when eligible. That is not just a prediction. It is history and a reflection of who we've been during the Sarver regime. And to say that the Managing General Partner is not as bad as he used to be ... is still not good enough, when competing in the NBA.

 

[Hoop Head]

There is another consideration in evaluating DBook's future by season end. That is, the quality of the players who surround him. Just as in most other sports.

This season's team is so young, it is hardly settled. And that puts more pressure on a young Devin Booker than if he were with a quality team. The more dysfunctional the playoff-less tank-prone Suns are, the more difficult it will be to set his future in stone this season. It is ongoing. And, under present circumstances, the Suns have not gone well for years.

That is a major reason why I believe that the limitations of Sarver and McDonough will hold the team back -- Devin Booker and all of our young players. And, in the long run, the good ones that we are hoping for will want out when eligible. That is not just a prediction. It is history and a reflection of who we've been during the Sarver regime. And to say that the Managing General Partner is not as bad as he used to be ... is still bad, when competing in the NBA.

Who have the Suns drafted that they couldn't keep under Sarver's time here? Markieff? That's the only player I can think of. You might say Dragic but he was traded and then brought back as a FA. No one on their rookie deal has wanted out at the end except Joe Johnson and that could fall on Colangelo and Sarver as that was during the first year of Sarver's ownership during the "transitional" period.

 

[Covert Rain]

There is another consideration in evaluating DBook's future by season end. That is, the quality of the players who surround him. Just as in most other sports.

This season's team is so young, it is hardly settled. And that puts more pressure on a young Devin Booker than if he were with a quality team. The more dysfunctional the playoff-less tank-prone Suns are, the more difficult it will be to set his future in stone this season. It is ongoing. And, under present circumstances, the Suns have not gone well for years.

That is a major reason why I believe that the limitations of Sarver and McDonough will hold the team back -- Devin Booker and all of our young players. And, in the long run, the good ones that we are hoping for will want out when eligible. That is not just a prediction. It is history and a reflection of who we've been during the Sarver regime. And to say that the Managing General Partner is not as bad as he used to be ... is still not good enough, when competing in the NBA.

You do have a point but people here have called Booker a franchise player and budding Superstar. If that is in fact true, that should come through regardless of who he is around. Having quality players around him is essential for a title but I don't necessarily agree that it would prevent him from reaching elite status if he really is that good.

 

[Polecat]

I have question.
It is my understanding that a team can not trade first round picks in consecutive years.
With all the restrictions on the Bledsoe trade, Milwaukee could lose their first round pick in 2018, 2019, 2020 or 2021.
Can they trade any of their other first round picks prior to the year Phoenix actually gets their pick.

 

[Mainstreet]

I have question.
It is my understanding that a team can not trade first round picks in consecutive years.
With all the restrictions on the Bledsoe trade, Milwaukee could lose their first round pick in 2018, 2019, 2020 or 2021.
Can they trade any of their other first round picks prior to the year Phoenix actually gets their pick.

I was waiting for someone to answer your question but I will give it a guess.

My thoughts are the Bucks cannot trade their first round picks until the Suns pick conveys which it must by the year 2021.

However, the Bucks can trade their first round pick in any particular year when it does not convey to the Suns, however, not in advance of the draft.

 

[Hoop Head]

I have question.
It is my understanding that a team can not trade first round picks in consecutive years.
With all the restrictions on the Bledsoe trade, Milwaukee could lose their first round pick in 2018, 2019, 2020 or 2021.
Can they trade any of their other first round picks prior to the year Phoenix actually gets their pick.

Mainstreet is right, but another way Milwaukee could trade a 1st is if they decided to change the protection of the pick owed to the Suns. So if they wanted to move their 2020 pick, they'd have to remove protection from the 2018 pick, since they can't trade them back to back 2020 is the earliest pick they could move. However I think the Suns would need to agree to remove the protection also, but in that regard I'm not entirely sure. I know teams have lifted restrictions in the past in order to trade future picks though.