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Statistically, JRich is a much better 3-point shooter than Raja. Surprised you don't know that.
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Statistically, JRich is a much better 3-point shooter than Raja. Surprised you don't know that.
Per is a good stat as long as it's only one piece of what your looking at. You have to look at how many games did Diaw dissapear? How many times did he fail to score in double figures? How many games in between were bad games.
For instance he failed to score at least 10 points off the bench in about 18 games while he was here. You can't have one of your main bench players that is suppose to provide a punch of the bench performing like that.
That's why there is such a thing as season average. Raja will come down to earth. He always does. Raja will not shoot 47% when all is said and done. Also, as pointed out in another thread Raja's problem was not shooting percentage. It was consistency at both ends of the floor while he was here. In at least 14 games for the Suns he hit one 3 point or fewer (some of those none). You can't have your best 3 point shooter shooting like that while playing crappy defense.
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Chaplin
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Come on, are you serious? Diaw had one good year with us and that was the year Amare was out injured. He showed flashes, but he was unmotivated and out of shape most of the time. Get your head out of the sand.
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It does? Except for the FG%, those are pretty mediocre per48 numbers. Barnes has him beat in scoring (18.2) and rebounds (10.0), and is nearly even in assists (3.9). Turnovers is a draw (Barnes 3.4, Diaw 3.3).
So wow, Diaw was putting up Barnes-like numbers, I'm so impressed. I probably don't need to tell you who makes more money.
Um, once again look at the stats.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=1018 JRich
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=49 Bell
What are you basing this on? Career average? Well no. Playing with us this season? No.
Dude....4 out of the 6 seaons Bell shot in the 40 percent range...he had Steve Nash as his PG. Don't forget that statistically almost every 3 Point shooter that has come to this team has increased his percentage. That stat has been shown to death on televised games.
It's no coincidence that he is back to under that with Charlotte.
Bell with Charlotte 37.5%
JRich with Phoenix 38.0%
Oh and JRich has not even adjusted to this team yet and is considered to be in a funk right now. I don't know about you but I will take a 38% 3 Point shooter in a funk.
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he wasn't getting those minutes because he wasn't performing well Ninja.
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Nice Tommy Boy reference there.
Barnes was a steal, there's no doubt about that.
And true, he scored more, but he was taking more shots. Barnes shooting 42% and Diaw shooting 57% is a big difference in terms of productivity.
Anyway, neither player according to their per48 was really getting us poor performances. Both gave us fine role player production.
You can't tell me you don't miss Diaw, especially for the games that Shaq doesn't play.
It doesn't look like that is going to happen much for the rest of the season. The Suns can't afford it. If Shaq only plays half as well as he did in his back to backs like he did the other night...it won't matter.
He was always given low minutes this season. How do we know he wouldn't have played better with more? Hasn't that generally always been the case with Diaw? Wasn't he one of the best players for us in the playoffs last year with a lot of minutes?
I guess we'll wait and see if his percentage goes up then. Can you admit that we're missing Bell's 3PT shot right now?
Honestly, I am not sure that we do. Raja's trade has had a cascade effect on minutes on this team. Plus have you seen how Barbosa has been playing the last month? If trading Raja means getting JRich, Barbosa, Nash and some other guys more 3 point shots....I don't see that being a take away.
I will have to do some number crunching with all those guys to see if in fact we are missing anything. Not to mention that if this team is also taking less 3 point shots and taking more high percentage shots...again..don't see that as a negative.
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yea he sure looks worthless now doesnt he? anyone with any kind of basketball knowlege knew if you ran the offense through him he'd go right back to his 2006 playoff form.
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Surely this is a joke.
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Chaplin
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If the JRich trade was just for Bell, I'd do it again. He had a piss poor attitude at the start of the season, shooting junk, and lost his defensive spirit that outclasses most other players. The guy had no offensive game except to sit at the 3 pt. line, or shoot off-the-screen jumpers. JRich can do all that, plus drive, cut, and finish at the basket, something Bell hardly even done. He gives the Suns one more offensive presence than just Shaq.
About Diaw, pullleeaassee. That loaf ate croissants over the summer, showed up out of shape, and had no desire to play 100% each game. He had a crappy contract for the work he put out. Not worth it, and it was a good play to dump him before he grew anymore of a cancer.
About Diaw, pullleeaassee. That loaf ate croissants over the summer, showed up out of shape, and had no desire to play 100% each game. He had a crappy contract for the work he put out. Not worth it, and it was a good play to dump him before he grew anymore of a cancer.
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The only thing wrong with Diaw was his contract. Otherwise I would have liked to have kept him on the Suns roster. However, I have always liked J-Rich so I was pleased about the trade but I did expect more from him. Hopefully with time he will adapt his style better to the Suns style of play... leaving me to wonder what style that is.
The only thing wrong with Diaw was his contract. Otherwise I would have liked to have kept him on the Suns roster. However, I have always liked J-Rich so I was pleased about the trade but I did expect more from him. Hopefully with time he will adapt his style better to the Suns style of play... leaving me to wonder what style that is.
I don't agree with everything Hat said but you cannot dispute it was more then just Diaw's contract. There were multiple reports of his showing up out of shape and lacking motivation. So, even though I would say he might be more effective starting versus coming off the bench, his contract and work ethic obviously were factors. People can speak to well...Diaw wanted to start blah blah. Well then the things above become professionalism issues too.
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The sad thing is Diaw is more talented than Amare in many ways, but both apparently lack the drive to be superstars!
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Seriously, he has a few good games and people are questioning the trade. Diaw SUCKED as a Sun.
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