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My God, I haven't seen this much Diaw love in 3 years!

Where were all these people since then?

When did winning a championship become secondary for them?
 

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My God, I haven't seen this much Diaw love in 3 years!

Where were all these people since then?

When did winning a championship become secondary for them?

As if any action taken recently is actually even going in the right direction TOWARDS winning a championship, LOL!
 

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So playing .500 ball against the NBA elite is good? This team was getting progressively worse 2 years running against the elite.


2 years running after a few personnel moves and you use 2 data points? Wow, be glad you are not a statistician, you'd be fired in a few days. Oh and who made all those personnel moves(KT, JR, Marion gone shaq hill etc, in) ?
 

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My God, I haven't seen this much Diaw love in 3 years!

Where were all these people since then?

When did winning a championship become secondary for them?

Did I miss a lot of Diaw hate threads this season or something? If I saw one, I would have responded. Maybe you could link me to some.

I don't remember seeing any hate for Diaw until he was traded. And then all of a sudden it was like "Yeah, screw Diaw, he showed up to work fat one time in 2006!"
 

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Did I miss a lot of Diaw hate threads this season or something? If I saw one, I would have responded. Maybe you could link me to some.

I don't remember seeing any hate for Diaw until he was traded. And then all of a sudden it was like "Yeah, screw Diaw, he showed up to work fat one time in 2006!"

Then either you haven't been on this board long or haven't been paying attention. At least 1/2 this board thought Diaw was way overpaid, deferred to his teammates to often, & lacked the drive necessary to be a real force at the PF spot.

I, for one, thought he was soft as those croissants he likes, and was thrilled to death we traded him.
 

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Then either you haven't been on this board long or haven't been paying attention. At least 1/2 this board thought Diaw was way overpaid, deferred to his teammates to often, & lacked the drive necessary to be a real force at the PF spot.

I, for one, thought he was soft as those croissants he likes, and was thrilled to death we traded him.

I guess I haven't been paying attention. This kind of stuff is all I can remember hearing about Diaw pre-trade.

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/131088

Several Suns have had trouble finding their role early in the season, but reserve Boris Diaw hasn’t been one of the them. Diaw had another strong first half against the Blazers, hitting four of his five shots from the floor and adding three rebounds and three assists — including rebound and pretty, length-of-the-floor baseball pass that caught Grant Hill in stride for a layup.

“I think Boris, from Day One to now, has been the most consistent guy in terms of doing what we’ve asked of him,” Porter said. “We’ve really tried to get him to be more aggressive at the offensive end, either at the post or pick-and-pop shooting situations. He’s done a really good job of doing that. He’s so multi-talented, he can do so many things.”

Diaw has also done a better job of recognizing mismatches and taking smaller players to the basket when switches leave him being marked by guards.

“When we see that, it’s immediately an advantage we want to try to work,” Porter said. “We’ll pull the ball out to make sure we can reset and go to him.”
 

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I guess I haven't been paying attention. This kind of stuff is all I can remember hearing about Diaw pre-trade.

I thought you meant from fans. The only person that was consistently calling Diaw out in the press was probably Bickley and possibly Bordow since he never had anything positive to say about anyone.
 

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2 years running after a few personnel moves and you use 2 data points? Wow, be glad you are not a statistician, you'd be fired in a few days. Oh and who made all those personnel moves(KT, JR, Marion gone shaq hill etc, in) ?

Way to oversimplify. The team was heading in the wrong direction 2 years running. The team performed worse each of the last 2 seasons. It's called team direction. Ofcourse, there are reasons.

Now factor in D'Antoni's ego and inability to be flexible. That's alot more then "2 data points".
 

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I thought you meant from fans. The only person that was consistently calling Diaw out in the press was probably Bickley and possibly Bordow since he never had anything positive to say about anyone.

I meant in the Suns community - fans and the press.
 

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I meant in the Suns community - fans and the press.

It just shows how you don't really read anything on this board. There have been very few threads that are specific to Diaw's deficiencies, but nearly every other thread (especially game threads) had huge sections devoted to how badly Diaw was playing.
 

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Way to oversimplify. The team was heading in the wrong direction 2 years running. The team performed worse each of the last 2 seasons. It's called team direction. Ofcourse, there are reasons.

Now factor in D'Antoni's ego and inability to be flexible. That's alot more then "2 data points".

So you appear to be impugning Kerr, he and saver are the ones who changed the team the last 2 years, from KT to JRich. That is the timeframe of the slide. Everyone across the NBA thought the suns "suspension team" was the second best team in the NBA, especially after the spurs just destroyed the cavs in the finals after struggling against the suns until the suspensions. Every move since then by the suns is suspect in the slide, let me introduce you to GM steve savakerr. If I recall you supported those moves, if not I apologize, but I seem to recall your anticipation of steve kerr taking over as a good thing and he didnt come close to bringing you the defense you thought, its worse now than the suspension team.
 
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As if any action taken recently is actually even going in the right direction TOWARDS winning a championship, LOL!

What an ignorant comment. You have been complaining for so long you think everything is for the here and now. This discussion had drifted to the whole "D'Antoni vs. no D'Antoni" argument. The reasoning for hiring Terry Porter wasn't to win during the regular season only. If we wanted to do that, we would have kept DA. The hiring of the coach Terry Porter was a mistake, but the reasoning for doing it was absolutely about winning a championship, regardless of the personnel and the chances of that happening this season.
 

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So you appear to be impugning Kerr, he and saver are the ones who changed the team the last 2 years, from KT to JRich.

I have always said that the teams current state was a combination of things from coaching to management.

If I recall you supported those moves, if not I apologize, but I seem to recall your anticipation of steve kerr taking over as a good thing and he didnt come close to bringing you the defense you thought, its worse now than the suspension team.

My first choice was to keep BC. however, I liked the fact that Kerr thought defense was important. I thought he had the right attitude but had no clue if this guy could be a GM.
 

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Every move since then by the suns is suspect in the slide, let me introduce you to GM steve savakerr.

In other words, guilt by association. The team has made some bad decisions over the past two years; ergo, every move they have made has been bad. That's basically your argument, right? Why isn't it possible that the front office has made lots of bad moves, but also some good ones by accident?
 

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thank god for the Cardinals, otherwise I'd probably be knee-deep in this never-ending argument.

seriously, who cares? we didn't and weren't gonna win jack with DA and were not gonna win jack without him.
 

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thank god for the Cardinals, otherwise I'd probably be knee-deep in this never-ending argument.

seriously, who cares? we didn't and weren't gonna win jack with DA and were not gonna win jack without him.

Depressing
 

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thank god for the Cardinals, otherwise I'd probably be knee-deep in this never-ending argument.

seriously, who cares? we didn't and weren't gonna win jack with DA and were not gonna win jack without him.
LOL
You pumped yet cheese?!:cards:I started feeling it yesterday. What an unbelievably exciting time.

It'll be very interesting when the valley sports fans redirect their focus to the SUNS in a couple weeks,not looking forward to it actually.
 

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the reasoning for doing it was absolutely about winning a championship, regardless of the personnel and the chances of that happening this season.

Yeah blah blah blah, they all try to win championships while saving money(KT). Great job, they now are much worse. I suppose you can give kerr credit for trying and both he and sarver blame for not recognizing that kerr couldnt do jack as a GM.
 

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In other words, guilt by association. The team has made some bad decisions over the past two years; ergo, every move they have made has been bad. That's basically your argument, right? Why isn't it possible that the front office has made lots of bad moves, but also some good ones by accident?
No actually the "slide" in the suns occurred after dismantling the team, if you cant see it I understand your blindness as a long term suffering suns fan. I suppose you could say that kerr was "associated" with these decisions as GM. That may get him off the hook with you but not with me.
 

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No actually the "slide" in the suns occurred after dismantling the team, if you cant see it I understand your blindness as a long term suffering suns fan. I suppose you could say that kerr was "associated" with these decisions as GM. That may get him off the hook with you but not with me.

What is this "dismantling" you mention? The Suns haven't been dismantled at all. They've had a few replacements and additions that haven't really worked, but that doesn't mean they've been dismantled.
 

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What is this "dismantling" you mention? The Suns haven't been dismantled at all. They've had a few replacements and additions that haven't really worked, but that doesn't mean they've been dismantled.

the best suns team, the suspension team has effectively been dismantled no? No further explanation is necessary if you have been in phx for 3 years. Or dont you remember KT's role with the spurs in beating the suns, or how when hill went down there was no JR to come in defensively bat the wing, just GG(LOL). Yeah the team has 3 guys left and you say what dismantling? LOL
 
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No actually the "slide" in the suns occurred after dismantling the team, if you cant see it I understand your blindness as a long term suffering suns fan.

Of course I see it. What could possibly give you the impression that I don't?

I suppose you could say that kerr was "associated" with these decisions as GM. That may get him off the hook with you but not with me.

You completely missed my point. Most of Kerr's decisions have been bad, but that doesn't mean they all have been. It's like a poor shooter who every once in a while gets one to go down.

Your whole smug and superior routine becomes pretty laughable when it's clear you aren't making any attempt to understand what anyone else is saying. Some of us know a lot more than you think.
 
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I agree with Suns_fan... probably no malice intended but a body shot with an elbow like that is worth a couple of games suspension. A little bit higher and he'd have been head hunting which would merit a serious suspension.
 

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