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[joshstmarie]

Seriously, he has a few good games and people are questioning the trade. Diaw SUCKED as a Sun.

right. like how he stuffed stats in 2006 w/amare out. im glad you all have figured out how to use emoticons. thats clever.

 

[Ninjafish]

Seriously, he has a few good games and people are questioning the trade. Diaw SUCKED as a Sun.

Please read the entire thread, you idiot. This has already been proved to be wrong.

 

[dodie53]

we should have traded Amare for J-rich and Augustine

 

[mojorizen7]

Please read the entire thread, you idiot. This has already been proved to be wrong.

Easy tiger. Get used to posters taking only what they want to read from your posts.....calling people idiots will get you nowhere.

 

[Chaplin]

Please read the entire thread, you idiot. This has already been proved to be wrong.

Way to take the high road!

 

[Ninjafish]

Sorry, cheerleading posts that don't add anything are just really really annoying.

 

[Chaplin]

Wow..

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Does anyone else find it funny that this guy comes on here now after Boris and Raja have a couple good games for Charlotte, and yet he was nowhere to be found when they were stinking it up before the trade and ALL OF LAST YEAR.

 

[Ninjafish]

I'm pretty sure I defended them before the trade and said I didn't like the trade when it happened.

So you agree with that post? You think Boris was a cancer? Or turning into one? Yeah, that was a real reasonable post to make.

 

[mojorizen7]

Does anyone else find it funny that this guy comes on here now after Boris and Raja have a couple good games for Charlotte, and yet he was nowhere to be found when they were stinking it up before the trade and ALL OF LAST YEAR.

No doubt, and there are also a few long time posters here that seem to convieniently show up only when the SUNS are on any kind of a losing streak....and are nowhere to be found when there are good things going on. They know who they are.

 

[elindholm]

This has already been proved to be wrong.

By what, your per48 analysis, in which you demonstrated Diaw to be slightly better than Matt Barnes?

You haven't proved anything. All you did was cite some statistics which turned out not even to support your point.

 

[Ninjafish]

By what, your per48 analysis, in which you demonstrated Diaw to be slightly better than Matt Barnes?

You haven't proved anything. All you did was cite some statistics which turned out not even to support your point.

I don't think anyone here thinks that Barnes has been sucking this season, so I'm not sure what the point is of comparing Diaw to Barnes, to show that Diaw sucked.

 

[Chaplin]

I don't think anyone here thinks that Barnes has been sucking this season, so I'm not sure what the point is of comparing Diaw to Barnes, to show that Diaw sucked.

Barnes has been AWFUL since the JRich trade. You watch the games, right?

 

[Ninjafish]

Barnes has been AWFUL since the JRich trade. You watch the games, right?

Yep, but we're not talking about Barnes since the trade. We're comparing Barnes's season averages. If you want, I could find Barnes's stats since the trade and put them up against Diaw when he was here.

 

[elindholm]

I don't think anyone here thinks that Barnes has been sucking this season, so I'm not sure what the point is of comparing Diaw to Barnes, to show that Diaw sucked.

Diaw's salary is almost ten times as high. No one would be complaining if Diaw had been on a minimum contract. The question is whether he was performing at anywhere near his salary or evident talent level, and the answer is clearly No.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I still can't believe so many people have SO MUCH love for players and coaches... that never even reached the Finals... never even sniffed a deciding game to go to the Finals and never even sniffed the WCFs it's last two years.

The love affair with the DA era just makes so little sense to me. I mean, it was fun and all, but it never even gave us that great Conference Championship moment like the Barkley team did in 1993. I mean, that team had 300,000 people come out to cheer them just for getting to 2nd place. The DA teams? Meh. Fun, but disposable and they had run their course. move on folks. it wasn't that great of a run that we had.

 

[Chaplin]

Yep, but we're not talking about Barnes since the trade. We're comparing Barnes's season averages. If you want, I could find Barnes's stats since the trade and put them up against Diaw when he was here.

But you are aware your main point is based on Diaw's stats POST-trade, right? We can talk about season averages all day, but where were you before the trade when Diaw was stinking it up nightly? Oh, and "I probably supported him before the trade" isn't a real answer.

 

[AceP]

Barnes has been AWFUL since the JRich trade. You watch the games, right?

Yes, Barnes has been really aweful since then. But I think it's due to his move to reserve. He was great starting in Oct and Nov, when he has plenty of playing time and shots to find his shooting touch. Now his minutes is very inconsistent, and so is his role.

 

[Ninjafish]

Diaw's salary is almost ten times as high. No one would be complaining if Diaw had been on a minimum contract. The question is whether he was performing at anywhere near his salary or evident talent level, and the answer is clearly No.

He wasn't really given the minutes to perform to his salary, but saying that he was worthless or that he sucked is just a flat out lie. I mean, the man shot 57% with us. Per 48, his efficiency is higher than JRich's right now. Whether or not he was being overpaid or not for the production we allowed him to give is a different argument entirely.

As for that argument, the salaries involved in the trade were pretty close to being even, so if you believe (as I do) that we would be better with Bell and Diaw now than JRich, the money should be considered a non issue.

 

[Ninjafish]

But you are aware your main point is based on Diaw's stats POST-trade, right?

Nope, the argument is ALLLL about Diaw pre-trade.

Let's go ahead and compare Barnes right now to what Diaw was doing before the trade.

Here's Barnes in the month of January.
21 mins, 6.2 pts, 5 rebounds, 1.5 assists, 1.8 TOs, 2.5 fouls, .323 FG, .213 3P%

Here's Diaw's stats pre-trade.
25 mins, 8.3 pts, 3.8 rebounds, 2.1 assists, 1.7 TOs, 1.8 fouls, .567 FG%, .357 3P%

57% to 32%. Do you really want to compare that? Are you kidding me?

 

[Sovereignz]

I have no desire to read 5 pages of stuff about Boris Diaw, but hopefully someone pointed out that he averages a whopping 15/7 on 45 percent shooting with a bunch of turnovers in 38 minutes as the focal point of an offense. He also shoots free throws worse than Shaq. Yeah. Yes, he's a great passer and post defender. He's still a huge underachiever wildly inconsistent and a passionless french fruit. Good riddance.

 

[AceP]

I have no desire to read 5 pages of stuff about Boris Diaw, but hopefully someone pointed out that he averages a whopping 15/7 on 45 percent shooting with a bunch of turnovers in 38 minutes as the focal point of an offense. He also shoots free throws worse than Shaq. Yeah. Yes, he's a great passer and post defender. He's still a huge underachiever wildly inconsistent and a passionless french fruit. Good riddance.

Very accurate Point. I really don't see why we r still talking so much about Diaw on this forum. He is gone! And we all know the conclusion about him.

A. NOT good enough to play starting PF in a team who want to contend, like us.

B. Bad attitude when playing alongside super-stars, very passive, often cruising.

C. Too expensive to be a reserve.

D. Chemistry problem with new coach and new teammates.

He had to go, and I'm so glad he's gone!

 

[Suns_fan69]

Back to the original topic:

Looks like Gerald Wallace suffered a partially collapsed lung as a result of Bynums elbow to the chest. Hard foul or dirty play? You be the judge: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3866849

My opinion? Similar to the Horry play on Nash that by the time Bynum realized he wasn't in the position to make a proper play on the ball he decided to go for a hard foul instead. Malicious? Probably not in the 'intent to injure' sense but should warrant a 1 or 2 game suspension from a 'be wary of your actions' standpoint.

 

[Chaplin]

Nope, the argument is ALLLL about Diaw pre-trade.

Let's go ahead and compare Barnes right now to what Diaw was doing before the trade.

Here's Barnes in the month of January.
21 mins, 6.2 pts, 5 rebounds, 1.5 assists, 1.8 TOs, 2.5 fouls, .323 FG, .213 3P%

Here's Diaw's stats pre-trade.
25 mins, 8.3 pts, 3.8 rebounds, 2.1 assists, 1.7 TOs, 1.8 fouls, .567 FG%, .357 3P%

57% to 32%. Do you really want to compare that? Are you kidding me?

I don't know why you're even comparing Barnes to Diaw in the first place. On the Phoenix Suns, they were comparable players--meaning Diaw was paid 10 times more than a guy that produced about the same. Who the hell is comparing Diaw post-trade and Barnes pre-trade? That doesn't make any sense except for you to use it as flimsy reasoning to proclaim Diaw is this star player.

 

[cly2tw]

Very accurate Point. I really don't see why we r still talking so much about Diaw on this forum. He is gone! And we all know the conclusion about him.

A. NOT good enough to play starting PF in a team who want to contend, like us.

B. Bad attitude when playing alongside super-stars, very passive, often cruising.

C. Too expensive to be a reserve.

D. Chemistry problem with new coach and new teammates.

He had to go, and I'm so glad he's gone!

Spot on! As a featured player, he could make an average or below-average team into an above average, provided he is motivated. But that team is not to contend for much in the NBA!

 

[AceP]

Back to the original topic:

Looks like Gerald Wallace suffered a partially collapsed lung as a result of Bynums elbow to the chest. Hard foul or dirty play? You be the judge: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3866849

My opinion? Similar to the Horry play on Nash that by the time Bynum realized he wasn't in the position to make a proper play on the ball he decided to go for a hard foul instead. Malicious? Probably not in the 'intent to injure' sense but should warrant a 1 or 2 game suspension from a 'be wary of your actions' standpoint.

WOW. It is a VERY DIRTY action! Bynum raised his elbow so high, way above his head, deliberately pointed to Wallace's chest.

Look at the result! Wallace had 30 to 40 percent of his left lung collapse as /well as a non-displaced fracture of the fifth rib. Sounds very scary! If I were Wallace, I'd sue Bynum for assulting and personal harm.