BOOKER & FULTZ

[elindholm]

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Looks like this may actually have a chance at becoming reality. Philly needs shooters so I assume Ariza is the one that would be traded out for Fultz & Muscala. Suns have the roster spot available to take on an additional player or two in a trade.

Muscala can actually play. If the Suns can get him for Ariza, that's a good deal, never mind Fultz. I can't believe that the Sixers would give up that much for Ariza.

 

[GatorAZ]

Reserving a seat on the Smith over Fox fanwagon.

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[sunsfan88]

Muscala can actually play. If the Suns can get him for Ariza, that's a good deal, never mind Fultz. I can't believe that the Sixers would give up that much for Ariza.

Perhaps we add the MIL pick to the deal to get it done.

Fultz has a $10M contract for next year and there were reports that some NBA execs find him to be almost a negative contract because of it and because of how little he's shown for the publicity that he brings.

Yeah I really like Muscala too and we can use a guy like him with some size in our front line. Would be great to get him.

 

[1Sun]

If it doesn't cost more than the Milwaukee pick and a throwaway like Ariza, Bender or Daniels, I say there's no harm in bringing in Fultz and taking a flyer on him, even if he isn't a true point guard. He doesn't have attitude problems, though his overall game even when right is too much like Brandon Knight's for my taste.

Unless Fultz suddenly transforms his game, not to mention overcoming all of the psychological issues that have destroyed his shot and overall game, this still doesn't solve our problem at the point, so it would be along the lines of an NBA lottery ticket. Again, desperate times call for desperate measures (as long as it doesn't cost us anything significant for our future).

Muscala would be a nice stop-gap to give some minutes as a back-up power forward.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Muscala can actually play. If the Suns can get him for Ariza, that's a good deal, never mind Fultz. I can't believe that the Sixers would give up that much for Ariza.

Philly needs an Ariza type player. If they are convinced his play at the beginning of this year is an aberration (and it basically is based upon the rest of his career), Ariza makes a lot of sense for them. They are kicking themselves about that Bridges trade (and hoping the pick is decent).

 

[Mainstreet]

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Looks like this may actually have a chance at becoming reality. Philly needs shooters so I assume Ariza is the one that would be traded out for Fultz & Muscala. Suns have the roster spot available to take on an additional player or two in a trade.

Fultz/Okobo/Melton
Booker/Daniels
Bridges/Jackson
Warren/Muscala
Ayton/Holmes

It's not too bad if Kokoskov can fix Fultz.

Muscala would give the Suns a legitimate power forward/ center option but he is an expiring contract.

Fultz would be the key piece.

 

[sunsfan88]

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Crawford and Holmes are very close with Fultz as well for what it's worth.

 

[sunsfan88]

Philly needs an Ariza type player. If they are convinced his play at the beginning of this year is an aberration (and it basically is based upon the rest of his career), Ariza makes a lot of sense for them. They are kicking themselves about that Bridges trade (and hoping the pick is decent).

Especially since they just lost out on Korver.

 

[Hoop Head]

Philly needs an Ariza type player. If they are convinced his play at the beginning of this year is an aberration (and it basically is based upon the rest of his career), Ariza makes a lot of sense for them. They are kicking themselves about that Bridges trade (and hoping the pick is decent).

They just added Jimmy Butler, I don't think they are in need of an Ariza type player. While he might help them make a push for the top of the East, I don't think he's high on their wishlist. They need a competent backup for Embiid. Maybe Ariza would add depth but I don't see him playing a lot there unless Butler's latest injury is serious enough to cost him a lot of time.

 

[elindholm]

They just added Jimmy Butler, I don't think they are in need of an Ariza type player. While he might help them make a push for the top of the East, I don't think he's high on their wishlist. They need a competent backup for Embiid.

All the more reason that I don't see them parting with Muscala.

 

[1Sun]

All the more reason that I don't see them parting with Muscala.

If only we could have had a veteran back-up center to offer up in a trade. Oh, wait...

 

[sunsfan88]

ok, i want credit for calling this over a week ago
clearly, the suns are monitoring my posts (-;
in which case, i should add
Fultz may respond well to a change in scenery
but i think he is a head case
worth a gamble, as long as it's a cheap gamble
(and it will take a better coach than Igor to make it pay off)

Igor had success with Rubio last season who was also a bad 3pt shooter but shot a career high % under Kokoskov and also had a career high in scoring as well.

 

[slinslin]

Igor had success with Rubio last season who was also a bad 3pt shooter but shot a career high % under Kokoskov and also had a career high in scoring as well.

Igor was just an assistant, misleading post.

 

[95pro]

Igor was just an assistant, misleading post.

I would agree with you completely, BUT the whole team's % is down.

 

[Russ Smith]

Igor had success with Rubio last season who was also a bad 3pt shooter but shot a career high % under Kokoskov and also had a career high in scoring as well.

Yeah but Rubio's shooting issues were strictly mechanics. Fultz has bad mechanics right now but it's a combination of injury, and mental block stuff. He was a very pure shooter mechanically coming out of college. I don't think this is just traditional shooting coach stuff it's getting him healthy, getting him to believe he's healthy, and then getting past the mental block.

I wasn't high on Fultz coming in but I sure hope he gets past this, what he's going through is tough to watch.

 

[Sunshooter]

They just added Jimmy Butler, I don't think they are in need of an Ariza type player. While he might help them make a push for the top of the East, I don't think he's high on their wishlist. They need a competent backup for Embiid. Maybe Ariza would add depth but I don't see him playing a lot there unless Butler's latest injury is serious enough to cost him a lot of time.

We may just throw Bender and Daniels, and Sixers will do it.

Sixers need cap space to grab super-stars.

Ariza and Crawford will get traded, let's see

 

[sunsfan88]

Igor was just an assistant, misleading post.

Not misleading at all because Rubio has credited Igor numerous times for helping him improve as an offensive player.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Hmm. Rubio or Fultz. I would take Rubio. Here is why.

1. Ayton is going to take some work. A vet passing him the ball is more needed for Ayton than another project in Fultz.
2. I am under no illusion that Rubio's shot will be good, but I know his D will.
3. We have three rookies in the 8 man rotation right now. No team can succeed with that. We need a vet presence.

Fultz is tempting because of his potential, but could be huge distraction for the rest of the team. If we could just sign him and send him to D-league for a couple of months, it would be great.

 

[SirStefan32]

Hmm. Rubio or Fultz. I would take Rubio. Here is why.

1. Ayton is going to take some work. A vet passing him the ball is more needed for Ayton than another project in Fultz.
2. I am under no illusion that Rubio's shot will be good, but I know his D will.
3. We have three rookies in the 8 man rotation right now. No team can succeed with that. We need a vet presence.

Fultz is tempting because of his potential, but could be huge distraction for the rest of the team. If we could just sign him and send him to D-league for a couple of months, it would be great.

If 2016 and 2017 drafts have taught me anything is that sometimes (or most of the time) a sure thing is better than potential. Imagine if we drafted Sabonis instead of Chriss and Bender. Imagine if we took ended up with Tatum (or even Fox, Markkanen, etc) instead of JJ.

When you lack star talent, I can see taking a risk and swinging for the fences, but the Suns don't need to do that right now. They have Booker, they have Warren, they have Ayton, and they have Bridges. Yes, Ayton and Bridges are rookies, but it's safe to assume Ayton will be a very good player eventually, and Bridges will, at a minimum, be a solid defender and a shooter. Who knows, even JJ may end up being a good player. What they need is stability. They need a known commodity at PG and PF spots. With Rubio, we know what we are getting. With Fultz, we have no idea. I would play it safe and go with the known commodity.

 

[AzStevenCal]

If 2016 and 2017 drafts have taught me anything is that sometimes (or most of the time) a sure thing is better than potential. Imagine if we drafted Sabonis instead of Chriss and Bender. Imagine if we took ended up with Tatum (or even Fox, Markkanen, etc) instead of JJ.

When you lack star talent, I can see taking a risk and swinging for the fences, but the Suns don't need to do that right now. They have Booker, they have Warren, they have Ayton, and they have Bridges. Yes, Ayton and Bridges are rookies, but it's safe to assume Ayton will be a very good player eventually, and Bridges will, at a minimum, be a solid defender and a shooter. Who knows, even JJ may end up being a good player. What they need is stability. They need a known commodity at PG and PF spots. With Rubio, we know what we are getting. With Fultz, we have no idea. I would play it safe and go with the known commodity.

Although I agree with you about avoiding the high risk prospects in general I'd say that Fox is an example of taking a risk and having it work out rather than the sure thing.

As for Fultz, we have an idea of what his pre-injury potential is but without a good medical eval we really know very little about his actual potential. I think he was overrated coming out of college but having said that, I think he's a solid top 10 pick in any draft and that's worth a gamble if the exam is positive - especially considering it's a position of need. But I think absorbing his salary is all the payback the 76ers deserve so if they want actual value (and they probably do), maybe they should talk to Cleveland.

I wouldn't be thrilled about trading for Markelle but I'd much rather go for Fultz than Rubio. Rubio might make us a little better in the short run which to me means very little as it will also hurt us in the Zion sweepstakes.

 

[SirStefan32]

Although I agree with you about avoiding the high risk prospects in general I'd say that Fox is an example of taking a risk and having it work out rather than the sure thing.

As for Fultz, we have an idea of what his pre-injury potential is but without a good medical eval we really know very little about his actual potential. I think he was overrated coming out of college but having said that, I think he's a solid top 10 pick in any draft and that's worth a gamble if the exam is positive - especially considering it's a position of need. But I think absorbing his salary is all the payback the 76ers deserve so if they want actual value (and they probably do), maybe they should talk to Cleveland.

I wouldn't be thrilled about trading for Markelle but I'd much rather go for Fultz than Rubio. Rubio might make us a little better in the short run which to me means very little as it will also hurt us in the Zion sweepstakes.

You are probably correct about Fox. I typed that a bit faster than I thought it through.

As for the Zion sweepstakes, I don't think the Suns will be there. Even a couple of minor upgrades, paired with the natural progression and improvement will drop the Suns out of the sweepstakes. Unless they intentionally decide not to make any changes/ trades, they will start winning a lot more. To be fair, I haven't looked at the standings lately, but I'd say that Cavs, Hawks, Nets, Knicks, Bulls, and maybe even the Heat and the Magic will end up with worse records.

 

[AzStevenCal]

You are probably correct about Fox. I typed that a bit faster than I thought it through.

As for the Zion sweepstakes, I don't think the Suns will be there. Even a couple of minor upgrades, paired with the natural progression and improvement will drop the Suns out of the sweepstakes. Unless they intentionally decide not to make any changes/ trades, they will start winning a lot more. To be fair, I haven't looked at the standings lately, but I'd say that Cavs, Hawks, Nets, Knicks, Bulls, and maybe even the Heat and the Magic will end up with worse records.

You could be right but if that happens it means our young players are improving and I'm okay with losing out on Zion if that's the reason. But I'd hate to lessen our chances by bringing someone in that makes us marginally better now but does little or nothing for our future. I don't really see a big difference between winning 20 games or 29 games.

 

[SirStefan32]

You could be right but if that happens it means our young players are improving and I'm okay with losing out on Zion if that's the reason. But I'd hate to lessen our chances by bringing someone in that makes us marginally better now but does little or nothing for our future. I don't really see a big difference between winning 20 games or 29 games.

Oh I do, depending on how we get those wins, and I am 100% sure that Sarver sees a big difference in 29 wins vs. 20 wins. Also, I think that playing with a competent PG will help other guys get better. We've seen this year- games (or parts of the games) where Canaan and Okobo played well, everything looked easier because Booker didn't have to do it all. I think with Rubio, Ayton gets more easy baskets, Bridges gets more open looks, TJ and JJ get more easy opportunities, and Booker could focus on what he does best- scoring.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I think with Rubio, Ayton gets more easy baskets, Bridges gets more open looks, TJ and JJ get more easy opportunities, and Booker could focus on what he does best- scoring.

Until, as it almost always does, they double away from Rubio because he's not a threat.

 

[slinslin]

Rubio is one of the most overrated players on Suns forums.

No idea why Suns fans have such a love affair with him or Kevin Love for that matter, unreal.