Booker Upset with Front Office?

[JCSunsfan]

By honoring the public commitment that Sarver and McDonough made to involve Booker in personnel transactions (especially when it involves a friend, whom BTW I agree should have not been kept).

How is it 'name calling' to conclude that Sarver and McDonough are the least skilled Managing General Partner/GM combination in the NBA? And now, the least honorable, going back on their word to the star of the team. That is ignorant behavior which I, as a Suns fan, don't appreciate. Do you?

Just go back and read your own post. If you do not understand what name-calling is, belittling is etc, I don't know what to say.

Honoring your word with your star player is about getting his input on FA signings etc. It is NOT about asking him who you should cut or not. Booker knows better. Its just silliness.

 

[BC867]

I think pokerface must be reading The Art of War or something trying to get this small advantage on Booker. Bad idea.

Good post! Throughout my years in management, I said that The Art of War pertains only to military combat. Not to sports. Not to business.

The best example? The military saying of "Ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die." is necessary in foxholes. Not in sports. Not in business. Activities where everyone should be reasoning why! Not disregarding the chain of command, but not being afraid to reason why.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

And Booker is absolutely better than Wiggins was when he got his deal. Thus Booker is certainly good enough for the max.

Uh that’s not a transitive property. Your reasoning is faulty. 5 is greater than 4 so it must automatically equal 10.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Uh that’s not a transitive property. Your reasoning is faulty. 5 is greater than 4 so it must automatically equal 10.

Guys like Wiggins set the precedent for what kind of production is worth the mini max. Just because things haven’t worked out for Wiggins isn’t proof that Booker doesn’t deserve it.

 

[BC867]

Just go back and read your own post. If you do not understand what name-calling is, belittling is etc, I don't know what to say.

Honoring your word with your star player is about getting his input on FA signings etc. It is NOT about asking him who you should cut or not. Booker knows better. Its just silliness.

Hmmm. I would say that using the term "silliness" to state your opinion is name calling. My criticizing the behavior of Sarver and McDonough as NBA professionals is a fan's evaluation, hardly name calling. And I don't think it is your place to state that "Booker knows better." None of us are authorities about that.

I also find it interesting that you said, "...getting his input on FA signings etc", but then you discounted an "etc."

I maintain that making DBook the face of the franchise (involving him in decisions), then not letting him about know that they would not retain his good friend, is ignorant and naive behavior on the part of Sarver and McDonough. I am not the only ASFN Suns poster who mentioned that.

 

[Hoop Head]

First allow me to unequivocally state I am not opposed to giving booker the max. But I condition that on one thing - if that’s the appropriate market for him. If the team can sign him to less and keep him happy, that’s a win for all sides. All this talk of negotiating out of fear is so incredibly awful it makes me want to puke.

Second, the above statement by poop head is not true. I believe that within the last few days someone quoted a bordow tweet that said something to the extent of “offering him the max (or close to it)”. The part in parentheticals explicitly contemplated something less than the max. I hate when posters make something up or exaggerate (which is really still making something up) that isn’t true to try to win an argument.

Didn't make up anything, want to see the latest Bordow has said about the max?

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Yup, sure sounds like he's saying they'll offer less. If you're going to make a claim, prove it. It helps if you can do it with the most recent information out there also.

Here's some more analysts take on it,
Bright side, even posing the idea that less than the max would piss Booker off.

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Here's Woj, only mentioning the max...

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Here's a quote from another Bordow article, again only mentioning the max...
https://www.azcentral.com/story/spo...state-warriors-cleveland-cavaliers/500605002/

Some ESPN talking heads recently speculated that Devin Booker might not sign an extension this summer. Is that true?

Absolutely not. First, no NBA player has ever turned down a rookie contract extension. Second, Booker, at the age of 21, is not about to say no to $156 million, the max contract Phoenix can offer. Yes, Booker is frustrated with losing but he knows the Suns are going to be aggressive in free agency and will have no worse than the fourth pick in the draft. He’ll sign on the dotted line.

Another Bordow article, only mentioning the max, and even stating that no player coming off a rookie contract has declined a MAX offer.

But Booker’s frustration is not expected to change his desire to be a long-term fixture with the Suns and the face of the franchise. Phoenix can give Booker a five-year, $158 million contract extension this summer, and Booker indicated last October that he would sign the deal. No NBA rookie has ever turned down a max extension.

"I've been treated right from the day I was drafted, even when I was a rookie and didn't play much," Booker told azcentral sports. "The city of Phoenix took me in with open arms and made me a part of their family. I've learned the history and traditions of the team. I know how much the city cares about the franchise and that means a lot to me, playing somewhere where people actually care about the franchise.

"I love it here, I bought a house here and I intend to be here for a long time."

https://www.azcentral.com/story/spo...suns-over-way-ulis-release-handled/749429002/

Seems like that's his market value. If you believe otherwise, that's on you. I've provided evidence though so don't say I decided I simply made something up and it's untrue. There's his market value, spelled out. If you want to claim otherwise, provide proof. Until then, I'd appreciate you not call me a liar because all this, shows that's simply not the case. If you really want to say some parentheses in a tweet from a week ago points to something different, that's on you. I've provided links from today and yesterday that point to him being offered the max.

 

[Mainstreet]

Didn't make up anything, want to see the latest Bordow has said about the max?

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Yup, sure sounds like he's saying they'll offer less. If you're going to make a claim, prove it. It helps if you can do it with the most recent information out there also.

Here's some more analysts take on it,
Bright side, even posing the idea that less than the max would piss Booker off.

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Here's Woj, only mentioning the max...

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Here's a quote from another Bordow article, again only mentioning the max...
https://www.azcentral.com/story/spo...state-warriors-cleveland-cavaliers/500605002/



Another Bordow article, only mentioning the max, and even stating that no player coming off a rookie contract has declined a MAX offer.





https://www.azcentral.com/story/spo...suns-over-way-ulis-release-handled/749429002/

Seems like that's his market value. If you believe otherwise, that's on you. I've provided evidence though so don't say I decided I simply made something up and it's untrue. There's his market value, spelled out. If you want to claim otherwise, provide proof. Until then, I'd appreciate you not call me a liar because all this, shows that's simply not the case. If you really want to say some parentheses in a tweet from a week ago points to something different, that's on you. I've provided links from today and yesterday that point to him being offered the max.

Wasn't the first tweet from Bordow regarding Booker being upset by the Suns releasing Ulis?

IIRC, it wasn't about Booker being upset about the contract extension.

 

[pokerface]

Didn't make up anything, want to see the latest Bordow has said about the max?

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Yup, sure sounds like he's saying they'll offer less. If you're going to make a claim, prove it. It helps if you can do it with the most recent information out there also.

Here's some more analysts take on it,
Bright side, even posing the idea that less than the max would piss Booker off.

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Here's Woj, only mentioning the max...

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Here's a quote from another Bordow article, again only mentioning the max...
https://www.azcentral.com/story/spo...state-warriors-cleveland-cavaliers/500605002/



Another Bordow article, only mentioning the max, and even stating that no player coming off a rookie contract has declined a MAX offer.





https://www.azcentral.com/story/spo...suns-over-way-ulis-release-handled/749429002/

Seems like that's his market value. If you believe otherwise, that's on you. I've provided evidence though so don't say I decided I simply made something up and it's untrue. There's his market value, spelled out. If you want to claim otherwise, provide proof. Until then, I'd appreciate you not call me a liar because all this, shows that's simply not the case. If you really want to say some parentheses in a tweet from a week ago points to something different, that's on you. I've provided links from today and yesterday that point to him being offered the max.

The media aren't the ones that have to cover his salary.

And Booker will get max next season unless he wants to give something back now....then he can get extended and feel safe.

 

[AzStevenCal]

By honoring the public commitment that Sarver and McDonough made to involve Booker in personnel transactions (especially when it involves a friend, whom BTW I agree should have not been kept).

How is it 'name calling' to conclude that Sarver and McDonough are the least skilled Managing General Partner/GM combination in the NBA? And now, the least honorable, going back on their word to the star of the team. That is ignorant behavior which I, as a Suns fan, don't appreciate. Do you?

Can you imagine the trouble the Suns would be in if the NBA found out we involved one player in contract issues involving another? Ryan and Sarver were talking about getting his input on free agents and draft possibles, they did not promise to let Booker run the front office.

 

[Hoop Head]

Wasn't the first tweet from Bordow regarding Booker being upset by the Suns releasing Ulis?

IIRC, it wasn't about Booker being upset about the contract extension.

It was in response to the Ulis thing, but he said openly said that doesn't mean he's turning down a max deal.

Here's the tweet he sent out right before it.

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He was covering Ulis and Booker's relationship all day. That's why I also linked the article about Booker that he wrote. This one, below. He talked about max money and Booker quite a bit, like that was the plan. He wasn't the only one.

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[BC867]

Can you imagine the trouble the Suns would be in if the NBA found out we involved one player in contract issues involving another? Ryan and Sarver were talking about getting his input on free agents and draft possibles, they did not promise to let Booker run the front office.

I never said that they should have involved Booker in contract issues. I don't think anyone else did either, although some other posters seem to have that misconception.

I said they should have informed him as a goodwill gesture to their proclaimed Face of the Franchise. 'Big difference.

 

[Hoop Head]

Can you imagine the trouble the Suns would be in if the NBA found out we involved one player in contract issues involving another? Ryan and Sarver were talking about getting his input on free agents and draft possibles, they did not promise to let Booker run the front office.

You really think they'd care? Hasn't Lebron done that exact thing before? Not saying it's right but I don't think it's new or unheard of.

 

[pokerface]

I guess calling Booker the face of the franchise was a big mistake because it's being used against them now.

 

[Mainstreet]

It was in response to the Ulis thing, but he said openly said that doesn't mean he's turning down a max deal.

Here's the tweet he sent out right before it.

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He was covering Ulis and Booker's relationship all day. That's why I also linked the article about Booker that he wrote. This one, below. He talked about max money and Booker quite a bit, like that was the plan. He wasn't the only one.

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I just wanted to clarify that Booker was upset about Ulis, not the max extension.

The Suns should pay Booker the max extension and not quibble about it.

If there are any roadblocks it will likely involve player options.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I never said that they should have involved Booker in contract issues. I don't think anyone else did either, although some other posters seem to have that misconception.

I said they should have informed him as a goodwill gesture to their proclaimed Face of the Franchise. 'Big difference.

If you are talking about after the fact, I agree. But we do not know what happened after Ulis was released. Supposedly we did try to contact him but he still heard it from Ulis first.

 

[Hoop Head]

I just wanted to clarify that Booker was upset about Ulis, not the max extension.

The Suns should pay Booker the max extension and not quibble about it.

If there are any roadblocks it will likely involve player options.

Yeah, that's what the upset part of that tweet was regarding, Ulis being let go. In one of the articles it actually said they called Ulis' agent, then Ulis, and then Booker but they couldn't reach Booker and it blew up. That's what Bordow reported about how that played out, so it doesn't appear to be an issue of they didn't try to let him know, it's just the order everything happened and also their inability to reach Booker ended up blowing things out of proportion.

 

[Mainstreet]

You really think they'd care? Hasn't Lebron done that exact thing before? Not saying it's right but I don't think it's new or unheard of.

Yup. Look at the state of the NBA today.

 

[AzStevenCal]

You really think they'd care? Hasn't Lebron done that exact thing before? Not saying it's right but I don't think it's new or unheard of.

Yeah, but prove it. There's no doubt that he's influenced things but he has a shield (Klutch Sports Agency and Rich Paul) that Booker does not have.

 

[BC867]

I guess calling Booker the face of the franchise was a big mistake because it's being used against them now.

Used against them? Really? How about ... holding them to their word. To their publicly stated intention.

 

[Mainstreet]

Yeah, that's what the upset part of that tweet was regarding, Ulis being let go. In one of the articles it actually said they called Ulis' agent, then Ulis, and then Booker but they couldn't reach Booker and it blew up. That's what Bordow reported about how that played out, so it doesn't appear to be an issue of they didn't try to let him know, it's just the order everything happened and also their inability to reach Booker ended up blowing things out of proportion.

I am so past the Ulis part now. The Suns need to lock Booker up to a 5 year contract without player options.

 

[Hoop Head]

Yeah, but prove it. There's no doubt that he's influenced things but he has a shield (Klutch Sports Agency and Rich Paul) that Booker does not have.

It is definitely more difficult to prove but wouldn't the Morrii situation be an issue from back when they got their extension? McD came out and said they put a number on the table for them to split and had them come up with the way to split between them. That's 2 players openly handling each other's contracts in a way. It's not releasing them, but that is close to what you're saying the NBA would have an issue with. That's another player being involved in another's contract negotiations.

 

[Hoop Head]

Used against them? Really? How about ... holding them to their word. To their publicly stated intention.

This is reportedly what happened, I don't see how Booker can have an issue with this. They tried speaking with him but he wasn't available. It was after the fact but it's also been reported they sought his input on who to take #1 overall as well as their free agency plans. They didn't view Ulis being let go as a bigger decision he needed to be consulted on.

A Suns source said Sunday that the organization understands why Booker is upset about not being given a heads-up regarding Ulis. The source said Phoenix followed its protocol; it called Ulis’ agent first, then Ulis, and after that tried to reach Booker but was unsuccessful.

Call it what you want – miscommunication, a screw-up, whatever – the Suns know it bothered Booker and will talk about it when they meet Tuesday in Los Angeles.

The source also wanted to clarify what it meant when General Manager Ryan McDonough said last December that Booker would have input on “major decisions” going forward. Phoenix asked for Booker’s input on the players in line to be the No. 1 pick and who he thought the selection should be. Booker also was briefed on Phoenix’s free-agency plans, the source said.

But the Suns aren’t comfortable with placing Booker in the position where he becomes, like LeBron James was in Cleveland, a de facto general manager. As the source said, “That kind of changes the dynamic a little bit and puts him in a spot that’s a little uncomfortable for everybody.”

https://www.azcentral.com/story/spo...za-deal-mikal-bridges-devin-booker/751335002/

 

[Mainstreet]

You really think they'd care? Hasn't Lebron done that exact thing before? Not saying it's right but I don't think it's new or unheard of.

It is definitely more difficult to prove but wouldn't the Morrii situation be an issue from back when they go their extension? McD came out and said they put a number on the table for them to split and had them come up with the way to split between them. That's 2 players openly handling each other's contracts in a way. It's not releasing them, but that is close to what you're saying the NBA would have an issue with. That's another player being involved in another's contract negotiations.

Yes and Yes.

 

[Cheesebeef]

you guys are still talking about this, huh?

 

[devilalum]

you guys are still talking about this, huh?

I bet Booker isn’t even sad any more.


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