Booker Upset with Front Office?

[TJ]

He is not any version of LeBron. LeBron gets away with what he gets away with because he is easily one of the 10 greatest players of all time and guarantees a team a deep playoff run. No one on the Suns is capable of that.

How it started with LeBron is someone eventually caved in and started allowing him to have input into personnel moves. Giving players too much power leads to disaster. LeBron is not a good assessor of talent.

Jordan tried the same thing in Chicago and Kobe in L.A., and both were told to pound sand. That’s the precedent that needs to be set. Should Booker be given heads up on some personnel matters? Sure. Should he have any day to what happens? Probably not. Players get paid to play and front office personnel paid to make roster and coaching moves.

 

[Mainstreet]

Being a cornerstone of the franchise doesn't entitle you to be involved in who gets cut when. Honestly it would be unfair to Booker to put that pressure on him. What happens if they tell Booker before before hand? He either tells Ulis before the Suns can relay him the message themselves or he doesn't and has to explain to his buddy why he didn't warn him. To me your approach of telling them both at once seems highly unprofessional.

Like the Suns handled it professionally. LOL

 

[Ronin]

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[Mainstreet]

How it started with LeBron is someone eventually caved in and started allowing him to have input into personnel moves. Giving players too much power leads to disaster. LeBron is not a good assessor of talent.

Jordan tried the same thing in Chicago and Kobe in L.A., and both were told to pound sand. That’s the precedent that needs to be set. Should Booker be given heads up on some personnel matters? Sure. Should he have any day to what happens? Probably not. Players get paid to play and front office personnel paid to make roster and coaching moves.

Apparently this didn't happen.

 

[Mainstreet]

Here is a link to the story.

Last December Suns’ General Manager Ryan McDonough told azcentral sports that guard Devin Booker would have input on the organization’s major decisions going forward.

“With his emergence and importance to not only what we’re doing in the short term but hopefully in the next decade-plus, I think it’s important to make him a partner in the process,” McDonough said.

The release of guard Tyler Ulis on Saturday doesn’t qualify as a major decision, but a source said Booker was upset with the Suns’ front office that he wasn’t given a heads-up about the decision. Ulis and Booker have been best friends since they played together at Kentucky. The source said Booker was more upset about the lack of communication than he was Ulis’ release.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/spo...suns-over-way-ulis-release-handled/749429002/


IMO, the Suns need to use some common sense.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Here is a link to the story.



The release of guard Tyler Ulis on Saturday doesn’t qualify as a major decision, but a source said Booker was upset with the Suns’ front office that he wasn’t given a heads-up about the decision. Ulis and Booker have been best friends since they played together at Kentucky. The source said Booker was more upset about the lack of communication than he was Ulis’ release.


https://www.azcentral.com/story/spo...suns-over-way-ulis-release-handled/749429002/

Yep, key word there is major and this was anything but a major decision for the organization.

 

[Mainstreet]

Yep, key word there is major and this was anything but a major decision for the organization.

Apparently to Booker this was a major decision. If it's a close call, why not let him know.

I thought releasing Ulis was significant.

 

[SunsTzu]

How it started with LeBron is someone eventually caved in and started allowing him to have input into personnel moves. Giving players too much power leads to disaster. LeBron is not a good assessor of talent.

Jordan tried the same thing in Chicago and Kobe in L.A., and both were told to pound sand. That’s the precedent that needs to be set. Should Booker be given heads up on some personnel matters? Sure. Should he have any day to what happens? Probably not. Players get paid to play and front office personnel paid to make roster and coaching moves.

Like the Suns handled it professionally. LOL

Letting Ulis know first is the professional thing to do. Telling other members of the team before speaking with him would have been unprofessional. I really don't understand how anyone who has managed or worked on a team in any industry could think differently

 

[Mainstreet]

Letting Ulis know first is the professional thing to do. Telling other members of the team before speaking with him would have been unprofessional. I really don't understand how anyone who has managed or worked on a team in any industry could think differently

The Suns had a relationship with Booker in regard to making major decisions.

It can debated whether waiving Ulis was a major decision but why run the risk of irritating the Suns star player by chancing it.

 

[SunsTzu]

The Suns had a relationship with Booker in regard to making major decisions.

It can debated whether waiving Ulis was a major decision but why run the risk of irritating the Suns star player by chancing it.

Regardless of what Booker's expectation of involvement with the decision making is doesn't change the fact that letting Ulis be the first to know was the professional thing to do even if some of the other team members are upset.

If anything it's as Ouchie said and they Suns need to better communicate what the players' role is with decision making. Asking for involvement and feedback doesn't mean they should be included in all roster moves, especially ones affecting their teammates/friends where they may have emotional attachment and biases.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Not sure why you’ve decided to ignore the “best friend” part of all this. Remember he’s still a kid and stuff like this matters and he certainly hasn’t had to be part of tough decisions like this yet.

Again, we are not saying for the Suns to let Booker make the decisions, but when it is a player like Ulis, NOT telling him can be a publicity nightmare. And guess what? It’s happening before our eyes!

What part of “emotionally charged decisions” ignores best friend, chap? You’re better than that.

And friends should NEVER be consulted about business decisions. As a senior leader of my employer and someone that does a TON of hiring and firing I don’t hire or recommend my own friends. And I don’t ask others within the office about those decisions. We had to fire someone whose father had been with the company for the entirety of its existence and was an integral member of our success. We didn’t consult him. We spoke with him afterward. And Lo and behold he was an adult and professional about it and remains one of our greatest assets. And that was his DAUGHTER whom he overtly loved very much.

What all of you are suggesting that booker be involved in the firing of Ulis is flat out bad business.

 

[Mainstreet]

Regardless of what Booker's expectation of involvement with the decision making is doesn't change the fact that letting Ulis be the first to know was the professional thing to do even if some of the other team members are upset.

So tell Booker the Suns will be waiving Ulis if he is not traded. And then tell him before it happens. Just don't leave either player in the dark. This was a special situation involving the Suns franchise player. The Suns should have known this would be an abrasive situation especially with social media jumping on top of it.

If anything it's as Ouchie said and they Suns need to better communicate what the players' role is with decision making. Asking for involvement and feedback doesn't mean they should be included in all roster moves, especially ones affecting their teammates/friends where they may have emotional attachment and biases.

The Suns definitely need to improve player relations if they ever want to attract a major star. They need to sit down with Booker and discuss it. The Suns gave him a role in decision making so that's on them.

 

[devilalum]

This whole proposition of letting players be involved in personnel decisions is a loser. This is exactly why it shouldn’t happen. Players should play. Sometimes decisions have to be made quickly and there isn’t time for a half dozen front office types AND players to all come to consensus


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[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Please quote the post in context so I can respond.

Uh, we are discussing the suns treatment of Ulis in this thread. I believe I used your exact words. What more context did I miss???

 

[Mainstreet]

Uh, we are discussing the suns treatment of Ulis in this thread. I believe I used your exact words. What more context did I miss???

Just quote me because I've been involved in a lot of discussion lately. Context is important to me.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

What?

Devolving this discussion into whether Booker has the clout of Lebron James is idiotic.

Right because to give him that clout is idiotic.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Booker is the cornerstone of the Suns franchise. What is so hard to understand?

I think people should be treated better than mere property whenever possible.

Treating him as a player, and not a member of the front office does not equate to treating him like property. That’s just a flat out inflammatory comment.

How many of you have bosses that come and talk to you in advance of someone you like being fired? My god you’re all being treated like property!!!

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Amen!

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Yep, key word there is major and this was anything but a major decision for the organization.

Agreed.

And if the counter argument is that it is “major” to booker, that’s the end of the argument. This was a suns decisions for the best interest of the suns. Allowing booker, who isn’t emotionally unbiased input into this decision could have created even greater chaos. Cuz yeah if he’s so butt hurt no one told him, how much more angry would he be if they asked him, he told them to keep him (which he would given this ridiculousness) and then they decided to move forward anyway? Just stupid to think there was an alternative to the way this was handled. Only could’ve been better if someone sat down with him after letting Ulis know and explaining the reasons, and frankly we don’t even know if that didn’t in fact happen.

 

[Raze]

So I'm on record here supporting McD's drafting ability. I truly believe he's top 5 in this league.

That said, he's absolutely awful at everything else.

• His big trades are often monumentally bad.
• He repeatedly sells low.
• He actually contributes to devaluing his assets by unnecessarily elongated processes. (Chriss should be gone. Warren should be gone. Let's not even mention how he handled the twins, Isaiah, and Dragan)
• His signings, like today, are head scratching. (I love Ariza. I love his cost and I love him here. However, this is 3 PGs all over again. Which will drive down his assets... again. Now we have to GIVE away Chriss and Warren or let them rot on our bench).

And then there's this Booker/Ulis story. McD is seems socially unaware of things it makes me wonder if he's on the spectrum. This should have been clear right after the season ended. To everyone. And yet McD found a way to screw a simple thing up. Wow.

There's no way I fire McD, but dang if I don't find someone else to handle everything else but the draft.

 

[StreetTruckinTitan]

Waaah! Booker can either get over it or demand a trade. Tired of these spoiled prima donna athletes nowadays.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

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I thought releasing Ulis was significant.

Please explain to me, from a basketball perspective, how do?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Letting Ulis know first is the professional thing to do. Telling other members of the team before speaking with him would have been unprofessional. I really don't understand how anyone who has managed or worked on a team in any industry could think differently

I think you nailed it.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

The Suns had a relationship with Booker in regard to making major decisions.

It can debated whether waiving Ulis was a major decision but why run the risk of irritating the Suns star player by chancing it.

Because when you’re running a professional organization you make decisions to better the organization. Not to avoid irritating people. Particular when the actions providing the “irritant” shouldn’t irritate a professional.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Just quote me because I've been involved in a lot of discussion lately. Context is important to me.

Uh, I DID quote you. Yiur entire post. What more did you want?