Bordow: Angry Leinart Running Out Of Chances

[RugbyMuffin]

Obviously that Warner is taking full advantage of the weapons around him more then Leinart. Even the last eight games and the fact that Warner won the job this year proves that.

Bottom line is that Leinart is not the starter and all the hard work he supposedly put in the offseason didn't pay off.

Agreed.

But a bust? I think it is a little early and ridiculous to start throwing that word around.

Warner had the best last half of the season out of any other QB in the league. Leinart couldn't beat him out this year to take the job away from that very same QB.

I don't think that justifies him being a bust.

It is not like Rex Grossman losing to Kyle Orton.

Or, sorry to say it, Alex Smith losing out to JT Sullivan.

 

[cardsfanmd]

MD,

He is more than welcome to hang out. But my beef with this Leinart being called a bust is not just with Niner fans, but with our own fans.

You expect me to lay down on this because he is a Niner fan?

Sorry not gonna happen.

I wasn't trying to quiet you down a bit man, handle your business. I was refering to some of his other posts in other threads when I wrote that. I dont think I have disagreed with anything you have said since the week Fitz signed.

I do think that Leinart's lack of arm strength will prevent him from being a top 5 QB, but he will still be very good IMO. I am tired of the Joe Montana comparisions, because he played in an O that revolutionized the game, and players are faster nowadays, thus limiting the holes QBs have to deliver the ball to and through. With that said, you dont need Tom Brady when you have two PB wideouts. (and no welker and moss dont count, because welker was no PBer prior to Brady)

Bottom Line:

Very Good QB (Leinart) + Fitz + Q + decent ground game + mean D = Championship.

 

[Hopper15]

Kitna didn't led the Lions anywhere.

If you read carefully, you can see I mentioned Palmer last year......oh, and the year before. When they didn't make the playoffs.

Leinart has only played in 16 games as well. I understand the concept of patience is hard to apprehend as your organization runs your young QB out of town

Kitna lead the Lions far enough considering he had no Running game and the Lions defense just couldn't stop anyone.

It doesn't matter what year you were referring to with Palmer, he's an excellent QB that takes full advantage of having TJ and Chad Johnson. He's another QB who doesn't have the luxury of having a good defense.

You're really making this easy on me.

Yet, I was talking about arm strength in that comparision.

So your logic is below level average arm strength compares you to Young and Montana. Never mind the leadership, the excellent knowledge of the West Coast offense and not mention how accurate both those guys were.

Once again I am talking about Leinart, and the QB situation with him. You think, think he is a bust. Whiz and company think otherwise.

Still with me, or should I break it down further for you ?

It is a challenge, since I can comprehend what you are writing, yet the challenge is that you are trying to skew your original comments to fit your reasoning. Unfortunately I am going to make your stick to your original points.

Which are you don't know what you are talking about more than a cut and paste opinion of what is going on with Matt Leinart.

It's just my opinion that he's bust and Matt holding the clip board this season just isn't going to change my opinion.

It's my theory that a young QB should be making strides by his third year and Leinart won't even be starting.

I never plagiarize someone else's thoughts and especially from ESPN.

 

[nashman]

Leinart is in his third year but don't throw it around like he has 30+ games under his belt. He has had ONE SEASONS worth of games which is hardly enough to know oh and also two different coaches and coordinators in that short span as well. You throwing around your opinion as though its fact, which its far from. The facts are Leinart is a very young QB who is not a BUST just hasn't earned the starting job, yet.

 

[Hopper15]

Sorry but what the heck does Hopper know about Leinart? What he's seen on espn? Whats so hard to understand Warner a former MVP won the job, its their some shame Leinart should feel because he got beat out by a good QB? Come on man don't come in here spewing ridiculous comments on how Leinarts a bust, I bet your team would trade ALL of their QB's for Leinart right now! Just because Warner gets to start the first game doesn't mean he will be the starter all year either. Leinart is 7-9 in his very few starts and will only get better, you don't need a rocket arm to succeed in the NFL. I think you just have some sour grapes since your teams 1st pick QB SUCKS so badly he got beat out by a world leaguer, and your season already appears to be headed downward!

Wrong!

You guys can take all the shots at Alex Smith and call him a bust a million times. I could care less because I never wanted to draft the guy in the first place and hated the pick from day one.

Braylon Edward is who I wanted in 05, not some gimmick spread offense QB from Utah.

 

[cardsfanmd]

It's just my opinion that he's bust and Matt holding the clip board this season just isn't going to change my opinion.

It's my theory that a young QB should be making strides by his third year and Leinart won't even be starting.

I never plagiarize someone else's thoughts and especially from ESPN.

Well that is just an ignorant theory then.

The fact of the matter is that Matt was BARELY beaten out of the job, by a two time MVP and SB Champ who threw more TDs in the second half of the year last season than anyone else in the league.

You can bet the bank that were Matt a 49er, there would have been absolutely no QB controversy in the Bay this year.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

It's my theory that a young QB should be making strides by his third year and Leinart won't even be starting.

I never plagiarize someone else's thoughts and especially from ESPN.

what year and team is O'sullivan on? Are you happy with him as your QB because ,according to you, there's no way he can be successful.

 

[Skkorpion]

Good article. Scott Bordow is trying his best to keep an open mind but finding it hard. Have any of you heard him on radio? I have. Just curious how you perceived his verbal opinion vis a vis the written one?

 

[Hopper15]

Well that is just an ignorant theory then.

The fact of the matter is that Matt was BARELY beaten out of the job, by a two time MVP and SB Champ who threw more TDs in the second half of the year last season than anyone else in the league.

You can bet the bank that were Matt a 49er, there would have been absolutely no QB controversy in the Bay this year.

I wouldn't say barely. Matt's horrible performance against the Raiders sealed his fate.

Whiz basically handed Matt the starting job at the beginning of training camp and it was his job to lose.

 

[Hopper15]

what year and team is O'sullivan on? Are you happy with him as your QB because ,according to you, there's no way he can be successful.

I'm more interested then happy because I've seen what Martz has done with QB's. If he's not successful, no big deal. Nolan is fired and we find another QB for next year.

 

[Russ Smith]

Obviously that Warner is taking full advantage of the weapons around him more then Leinart. Even the last eight games and the fact that Warner won the job this year proves that.

Bottom line is that Leinart is not the starter and all the hard work he supposedly put in the offseason didn't pay off.

sure it did, when he has to play this year, and we both know that's going to happen eventually, he'll be a better player because of that hard work.

I would have started Matt but there's no embarassment in being beaten out by Kurt Warner when hot the guy can be awfully good. My issues with Kurt are well documented here he holds the ball too long, throws into coverage too much and fumbles too much. I expect eventually those issues will crop up again and we'll see Matt either because of that or because Kurt got hurt again.

If we don't see Matt that just tells me Kurt played so well they couldnt' get him outof the lineup, which to me as a cards fan is great.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Good article. Scott Bordow is trying his best to keep an open mind but finding it hard. Have any of you heard him on radio? I have. Just curious how you perceived his verbal opinion vis a vis the written one?

How exactly is putting words in Leinart's mouth and using conjecture (Bordow admitted Leinart said all the right things and was cordial to the media) to paint Leinart as a bitter and disgruntled employee an example of a good article?

 

[Hopper15]

sure it did, when he has to play this year, and we both know that's going to happen eventually, he'll be a better player because of that hard work.

I would have started Matt but there's no embarassment in being beaten out by Kurt Warner when hot the guy can be awfully good. My issues with Kurt are well documented here he holds the ball too long, throws into coverage too much and fumbles too much. I expect eventually those issues will crop up again and we'll see Matt either because of that or because Kurt got hurt again.

If we don't see Matt that just tells me Kurt played so well they couldnt' get him outof the lineup, which to me as a cards fan is great.

It's not embarrassing but it's discouraging when your young QB is basically handed the starting QB position on a silver spoon and he can't take full advantage. I just can't give Matt any excuses because he just had too many weapons around him to lose this job.

Barring injury I think Kurt will keep the job the whole season. I think he'll take advantage of this opportunity and run with it like the last eight games.

 

[Russ Smith]

It's not embarrassing but it's discouraging when your young QB is basically handed the starting QB position on a silver spoon and he can't take full advantage. I just can't give Matt any excuses because he just had too many weapons around him to lose this job.

Barring injury I think Kurt will keep the job the whole season. I think he'll take advantage of this opportunity and run with it like the last eight games.

again both guys have the same weapons.

If Matt were beaten out by Tim Rattay or Trent Dilfer or JT O'Sullivan yeah I'd be pretty disappointed, but he was beaten out by a guy who's had some pretty incredible seasons in the NFL. I personally don't believe Kurt can duplicate that again, I don't think he's going to do for 16 games what he did the last 8 last year, I just don't think he can physically do that anymore. But I hope he plays well enough to win us games.

I hope when Matt has to play he's ready and again wins us games. The fact is the cards are in a pretty good situation we have a veteran who played quite well last year and we have a young guy who we hope is our future.

Right now we're the only team in the NFC West that seems to have a fairly solid QB situation. Seattle will if Hasselbeck is healthy of course.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

You're really making this easy on me.

I am officially having a comprehension problem now.

I still don't see the point you are making. Niner's fans always living in the past. Last time I saw Cincy in the playoffs was a LOOOONG time ago, same goes for the Lions, and plenty of other teams with WR "weapons"

Bend the logic all you want it still is an invalid point.

But whatever. I don't have to prove it. Leinart will be whipping your team soon enough.

 

[cardsfanmd]

I wouldn't say barely. Matt's horrible performance against the Raiders sealed his fate.

Whiz basically handed Matt the starting job at the beginning of training camp and it was his job to lose.

Yet you are confident O'Sullivan can succeed??????????? Do you honestly think that Matt Leinart wouldn't be the starter right now in SF?

 

[conraddobler]

Wow, bust already eh?

That article oozes melodramatics.

I'm pretty sure Matt will eventually do fine, in fact I'd bet on it.

That has nothing to do with now, I expect that Matt will have to play this year and a lot.

Warner beat him out but it was close, and if folks step back and think on that for a second you'd realize that Kurt shines best before he's had his noggin bonked a few times, if our line keeps him clean he'll do fine but they won't because the other teams know what they have to do.

Kurt is the perfect lever on Matt, kudos to Whis for using it, once Matt ingrains as the starter he'll have a much harder time impressing much on him.

So far this is a gutsy play that is pretty high stakes, the fact Whis had the nads to play those cards makes me even more of a fan, it's been a long time since we had a coach with guts.

Let the games begin and btw, Matt will be fine.

 

[RedLine]

Back to the original topic.....

RM, you are exactly right.

This is a GROSS assumption:

"He's no longer the next big thing, the quarterback who would rescue the Cardinals from their miserable existence. Now there are more questions than exclamation points, more cynics than believers. If he has another game like he did against the Oakland Raiders in the preseason - when he finished with a 2.8 quarterback rating - he will be written off for good here."

This is not even true...

That article is PURE shock value, assumption laden BS.

Thank Goodness the coaches on this team don't have the patience level of this Bordow shmuck ,and some other like him. Cause Arizona will never have a young QB in town if the had this kind of impatience.

Bordow usually writes negatively about the team. I think he likes the Cards, but like us gets tired of them losing. He thinks stirring up controversy will help sell papers like Dickly usually does (before this year). Fat chance of that with the EVT.

That's why I usually don't pay much attention to the EVT articles, They're way below the standards of Somers or Urban.

 

[Ed Burmila]

Jeff Gollin wins this thread.

Typical sports media, just push the same angle on a story for weeks until you catch the guy in a bad mood and says something pissy. Then you have your "angry Leinart" story.

Matt is doing exactly what he should be doing - getting upset that he is not starting, shutting up so the team can play, and working on winning the job back.

 

[Hopper15]

I am officially having a comprehension problem now.

I still don't see the point you are making. Niner's fans always living in the past. Last time I saw Cincy in the playoffs was a LOOOONG time ago, same goes for the Lions, and plenty of other teams with WR "weapons"

Bend the logic all you want it still is an invalid point.

But whatever. I don't have to prove it. Leinart will be whipping your team soon enough.

From holding the clipboard on the sideline, I don't think so. Leinart's a bust, if the light switch hasn't come on now it likely never will.

Actually the logic you tried to provide about Palmer and Kitna was invalid. I obviously made you look silly because you we're ignoring their individual success and you changed the subject to team success when both players have had horrible defenses.

 

[Hopper15]

Yet you are confident O'Sullivan can succeed??????????? Do you honestly think that Matt Leinart wouldn't be the starter right now in SF?

Who cares if he would started in SF, Matt wouldn't have done anything better then he's doing here so far.

 

[Ed Burmila]

Insert "No feeding opposing team trolls" smiley here.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

From holding the clipboard on the sideline, I don't think so. Leinart's a bust, if the light switch hasn't come on now it likely never will.

Actually the logic you tried to provide about Palmer and Kitna was invalid. I obviously made you look silly because you we're ignoring their individual success and you changed the subject to team success when both players have had horrible defenses.

I don't need a Niner fan around to look silly.

If you actually debated you original point, and didn't start grabbing for anything you could to make it seem like you are right then you would see you are making less and less sense, and bring up more and more different topics with each post.

Will this debate eventually end with you stating the sky is blue, and walk away from your computer fullfilled with rightiousness.

From holding the clipboard on the sideline.

Do you even read whole sentences ? .....I guess not since the Niners aren't known for patience.

What part of "soon enough" did you not understand ?

soon - http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/soon

enough - http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/enough

So to break it down for you a little more, no need to strain one's self, that would mean WHEN (still with me), WHEN Leinart is starting for this team, he will then be able to be on the field to pound your team into dust.

Don't worry at that point you will probably have jumped off the bandwagon wondering why you ever started JT Sullivan, and how Alex Smith is playing so well with another team.

 

[nashman]

Wow Hopper either your a child with little comprehension of what your even trying to say or you just purposely talking smack because Leinart is STILL much better than any QB you have had for some time, oh and he is our back up right now. That must suck being a niners fan right now, don't worry someday your team might be good again, just not anytime soon. Look forward to see if you show your cowardly face after we kick some niner ass on sunday!

 

[cardsfanmd]

Who cares if he would started in SF, Matt wouldn't have done anything better then he's doing here so far.

Because your team blows.