Brain Starting to Regret

[AZ Shocker]

Man, I wish it were not true, but this hold-out and available cap space has my sails losing wind fast. All the momentum of the new stadium, a huge free agent acquisition, and a great draft had me believing. Yep...I bought season tickets for the first time. And here we go again...Leinart not signed.

We showed the Cardinals our support by selling out the freakin' stadium for every freakin' game this year, and they still can't capitalize on that momentum to bring in the qb of the future. What a travesty this franchise is. 15 years I've given my emotional support. This year I decide to lay down the dough. Regret? I hope not!

Note: I bought tickets before we got Edge and before the drafting of Leinart. My belief was that with the Cardinals new stadium and recent contract deals the last few years...that the Cardinals were going to start behaving like a real NFL team. So far it looks like a false hope on my part.

 

[NEZCardsfan]

I've lost for so many years that I don't even mind it anymore.

Come, enjoy the show. If we have a bad year....we just start drinking harder.

 

[conraddobler]

Don't despair, look at it like this, Leinart is meaningless to a team such as we have this year.

Sure it'd be great if he was signed but in the grand scheme of things if Warner goes down even if Leinart was in camp from day one we'd be sunk.

Now if we were our typical team he'd be vital just from a hope standpoint, but A. he's not going back in the draft and B. a deal will eventually be worked out that will tie him to the team as well as they can.

It's all good.

 

[Sandan]

I we have to rely on Leinart this year, we are already out of it

 

[MadCardDisease]

The season hasn't even started and people are already wanting to jump off the band wagon?

 

[kerouac9]

Wow. This sounds a lot like what Steeler fans were saying about Ben Roethlisberger and Tommy Maddox.

Oh, wait, the Steelers got Ben Roethlisberger into camp on time, didn't they? And they were able to rely on him to lead that team to the playoffs, huh?

 

[ajcardfan]

If Leinart signs this week, and we win Saturday, the pendulum will swing wildly back in the other direction.

 

[Dback Jon]

If anyone thought signing Leinhart would be easy, then you had imbibed TOO much Kool-aid.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

I we have to rely on Leinart this year, we are already out of it

Well, I guess DG and Graves built a team with no chance to do anything then as Warner hasn't made it through a full season since 2001. It's almost inevitable that Leinart will start games this year, the fact that he's now missed over a week of training camp won't help him make the impact that he is capable of making in his rookie year.

 

[Rivercard]

Don't despair, look at it like this, Leinart is meaningless to a team such as we have this year.

Sure it'd be great if he was signed but in the grand scheme of things if Warner goes down even if Leinart was in camp from day one we'd be sunk.

Now if we were our typical team he'd be vital just from a hope standpoint, but A. he's not going back in the draft and B. a deal will eventually be worked out that will tie him to the team as well as they can.

It's all good.

How dare you spoil the pity party.

 

[Sandan]

Well, I guess DG and Graves built a team with no chance to do anything then as Warner hasn't made it through a full season since 2001. It's almost inevitable that Leinart will start games this year, the fact that he's now missed over a week of training camp won't help him make the impact that he is capable of making in his rookie year.

There are few teams that would be expected to contend if their starting QB goes down. How far they survived would depend on when the QB went down, if early they are likelt down, if late they make the playoffs and exit fast.

To name a but few

Colts
NE
Denver
Eagles
KC
Dallas
Giants
Seattle
Bengals
Atlanta

In fact just about every team with an established QB as the starter

 

[kerouac9]

Huh? Are these teams that wouldn't make the playoffs if their starting QB didn't start for 1/3 of the season, or teams that would because they have good backups?

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Except most of those teams don't have starting QBs that have extensive history of injuries like Warner does. When your starting QB hasn't played more than ten games in a season since 2001, you need someone behind him that can play. Navarre and Rohan Davey aren't that guy nor ever will be. Leinart could have been that guy but the more time he holds out the less the odds are that he will be able to be a capable Warner replacement.

 

[Cheesebeef]

There are few teams that would be expected to contend if their starting QB goes down. How far they survived would depend on when the QB went down, if early they are likelt down, if late they make the playoffs and exit fast.

To name a but few

Colts
NE
Denver
Eagles
KC
Dallas
Giants
Seattle
Bengals
Atlanta

In fact just about every team with an established QB as the starter

and out of those teams, how many of their starting QB's have been as injury prone as Kurt Warner?

 

[NEZCardsfan]

and out of those teams, how many of their starting QB's have been as injury prone as Kurt Warner?

DMac and Vick.....not nearly as much as Warner...but it is of concern.

 

[Cheesebeef]

DMac and Vick.....not nearly as much as Warner...but it is of concern.

the Falcons have Matt Schaub, who apparently most teams would love to have and has also shown the ability to actually play in the league (see his game against the Pats last year which the Falcons lost 31-28, but he threw for 250 and 2 or 3 TDs).

Who's DMac? Oh, Donovan McNabb? Well, they do have a veteran signal caller in Jeff Garcia and Philly also has shown in previous years the ability to win with a backup (2003).

 

[kerouac9]

DMac and Vick.....not nearly as much as Warner...but it is of concern.

Rumor has it that Falcon fans are secretly hoping that Vick gets injured to that Matt Schaub can start and actually run their offense as it's designed. Take them off the list.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

DMac and Vick.....not nearly as much as Warner...but it is of concern.

And the Eagles signed Jeff Garcia and the Falcons refuse to deal Matt Schaub for that exact reason. On the other hand with a QB that has more injury concerns than those guys, the Cardinals play hardball and don't get their rookie backup QB in camp on time.

 

[NEZCardsfan]

the Falcons have Matt Schaub, who apparently most teams would love to have and has also shown the ability to actually play in the league (see his game against the Pats last year which the Falcons lost 31-28, but he threw for 250 and 2 or 3 TDs).

Who's DMac? Oh, Donovan McNabb? Well, they do have a veteran signal caller in Jeff Garcia and Philly also has shown in previous years the ability to win with a backup (2003).

I don't know why I even responded to that question.

If you are trying to win THIS season...you can't expect Leinart to get you wins. It's a foregone conclusion Warner will miss games....there needs to be a veteran QB on this team. The fact that there isn't, is really inexcusable.

 

[NEZCardsfan]

Rumor has it that Falcon fans are secretly hoping that Vick gets injured to that Matt Schaub can start and actually run their offense as it's designed. Take them off the list.

I would have loved to see a trade made for Schaub or Garrard.

 

[JeffGollin]

I was about to place an order for three Cardinal logo'd tee shirts to exercise in. Then I had second thoughts about whether or not I wanted to spend the money and have decided to table that idea.

Looking inward, I'm sure the Leinart holdout had something to do with my decision. (A little bit of enthusiasm was simply sucked out of me). Which poses the question:

- It you multiply me by several thousand fans, how much in merchandise revenue could Cardinal front office stubborness over Leinart cost the club over a 6-year period?

Think it might be more than a couple of million? I do.

Cards are being penny wise and pound foolish. In this particular situation, ponying up for a couple of extra million over 6 years - roughly $275,000 more a year) would be a sound financial move.

 

[BigRedRage]

Man, I wish it were not true, but this hold-out and available cap space has my sails losing wind fast. All the momentum of the new stadium, a huge free agent acquisition, and a great draft had me believing. Yep...I bought season tickets for the first time. And here we go again...Leinart not signed.

We showed the Cardinals our support by selling out the freakin' stadium for every freakin' game this year, and they still can't capitalize on that momentum to bring in the qb of the future. What a travesty this franchise is. 15 years I've given my emotional support. This year I decide to lay down the dough. Regret? I hope not!

Note: I bought tickets before we got Edge and before the drafting of Leinart. My belief was that with the Cardinals new stadium and recent contract deals the last few years...that the Cardinals were going to start behaving like a real NFL team. So far it looks like a false hope on my part.

your gonna regret buyingf season tickets because some shmuck kid thinks he should get paid way more than he is slotted for? give me a break

 

[ReddBird]

I'm guessing that you don't regret buying season tickets because the Cards haven't signed Leinart yet; I'm guessing that you believe that the failure to sign our QBOF so far means -- it's the same old Cardinals. New stadium, new RB, new hope, all diminished by the same old ownership and their desire for the team to be in profit before the first ball is snapped. No matter what.

You might be right but I'm still hopeful. Remember the recent past: When the new stadium proposal didn't immediately fly, Bidwill could have collected a bucket of cash and moved the team. Instead, he stayed in Arizona. Do I think Bidwill is a good owner? No. But that doesn't mean he only thinks with his pocketbook.

In the last couple of years, the team has done some good things: They signed and then resigned Warner. They paid Fitz his coin and gave Wilson his contract. They opened the cash register to give Edge his money. They reworked Boldin's contract.

The Cards might be cheap with the position players but, nowadays, they're spending cash for their stars. Leinart will get signed...for less $ than he wants, for more $ than the Cards want to spend. He'll get signed.

You'll probably disagree but I think Warner can get us to the play-offs. He took a beating last year and managed to play a lot of football, anyway. Some of the voices here seem convinced that Warner is as fragile as spun glass and that Leinart will be tossing the ball by game #3.

I say you're wrong.

 

[joeshmo]

shmuck kid thinks he should get paid way more than he is slotted for?

That just isnt true. Never has been.

 

[BigRedRage]

oh yeah? you think were offering less than #11? i doubt it. Media reports and such about contracts are nothing but rumors, none of it is fact except that he wants more than we are ponying up