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He's an idiot, but he's our idiot.
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Whats your basis for that opinion? Experience?
If the news report is true of how the events occurred the officer had every right to put his hand in the car and try to unlock the door. There isn't even a question really as long as it's accurate.
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Seems like a dumb thing to do. If Porter was a violent criminal he could easily have grabbed the officer, taken his gun etc.
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I think what Renz is trying to say is that because he is a high profile person and rich, he will be able to escape most, if not all of the charges.
It's just the American Judicial System. It has historically rewarded those of fame and wealthiness
because he had a right to?
Doesn't seem like a good idea. Regardless of whether or not he has the right. What is he going to pull him out of the car? Seems a bit dumb.
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I can't believe how many people here are questioning the Police Officers actions.
What is he supposed to do when some idiot is ignoring his commands? Step back, draw his weapon and wait for the SWAT team?
What is he supposed to do when some idiot is ignoring his commands? Step back, draw his weapon and wait for the SWAT team?
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Renz
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Pretty much. Porter has the $ to hire an excellent lawyer and from what has been reported there was no BAC test conducted and no field sobriety test.
Porter wasn't pulled over for driving erratically, so there's no real evidence of DUI. On it's face, it doesn't look like much of a case especially when you consider how prosecutors try to plea these types of cases out. IMO, Porter will prolly plead to one misdemeanor, if that.
Its done all the time. The officer was engaged with Porter at the door. Based on the few details we know Porter had already obstructed the stop and the officers investigation. The officer approached him and while at the door Porter refused to give ID and also tried to roll up the window all after the officer suspected possible DUI as well due to the odor on Porters breath coming from the car.
Would you rather the officer now engaged with a guy that has committed one crime and is suspected of another (one that puts peoples lives in danger) just let Porter roll up his window and drive off?
Anyone saying that reaching onto the car seems silly or dumb would you care to elaborate about how you would have handled it?
The problem with your theory is that you don't need to drive erratically to be CONVICTED of DUI.
Just because there was no report of a BAC test doesn't mean one wasn't done. In fact those tests are almost always done at the jail during the booking process. There is an Implied Consent Law that requires ANYONE suspected of DD to submit to either a blood or breath test. If the person refuses to do the test the arresting agency has the authority to hold the person down and draw the blood by force if necessary.
Also you may be right about copping a plea. Thats done all the time famous or not good lawyer or not. But that isnt the same as charges just being dropped.
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I haven't seen any reports of a BAC test, so I'm basing my opinion on the assumption that it wasn't, although it makes sense that they took one. I don't know why they wouldn't.
If they did and his BAC was over .08 then obviously that changes things, but either way I don't think Porter does any jail time.
100% agree with that. No way he does jail time on those charges. None at all.
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How should he have handled it?
Show me the officer's manual, and we'll all know in detail.
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It depends. If the officer knew it was Joey Porter then I can see why he would reach into the car. The odds of a professional athlete killing a cop are probably pretty low.
I'm 5' 11" and 165 lbs. If a criminal the size of Joey Porter got ahold of me he could break me like a wishbone. No way would I get within arm's length if I thought there was danger.
If he wouldn't follow my instructions and exit the car then I would probably draw my weapon and step back. If the suspect tried do drive away I might try to disable his car by shooting the tires or shoot the suspect if he was trying to run someone over.
Maybe that sounds dumb to a police officer, but that's what I would do.
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It's hard to say without being there. Why not order him to get out of the car first? I doubt that Porter was going to drive off seeing as the police already had identified him and his car. I don't think he could be that stupid. It was probably pretty confrontational and that would be why it may not the best thing to do. I'm just guessing.
Sounds to me liek the officer handled just fine based on the limited details we have.
Well I understand the mentality but it doesn't quite work that way. If you are a police officer you have tools on your belt to help negate disadvantages you may have in size. If someone is afraid to perform their duties because someone is bigger than them then they need to find a new career. I would also say the odds that the officer knew right away who it was are pretty low.
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i gues i would've just handled it like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0-oinyjsk0&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0-oinyjsk0&feature=related
Your right with the limited details but based on what we know or think we know is what I'm asking.
He already ordered him to give him his ID and he refused and then tried to roll up the window. What makes you think he would listen to an order to get out of the car? By saying no to the ID request and rolling up his window he is already showing to be troublesome.
You can say: "I doubt that Porter was going to drive off seeing as the police already had identified him and his car. I don't think he could be that stupid." All you want. But that doesn't make it so. People make stupid decisions all the time when they under stress and especially drunk. Joey has already shown he isn't quite the best decision maker when under the influence of alcohol. Also where did you read that the officer already identified Porter? From the details the officer was asking for ID which was refused?
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