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With some more research right now I see that Flores was also considered by Kyle Shanahan for his staff before last season.

https://www.ninersnation.com/2017/2...taff-brian-flores-49ers-defensive-coordinator

FOX Sports NFL reporter Jay Glazer reported that Shanahan is also interested in New England Patriots linebackers coach Brian Flores.


Plus I just found some good articles with more info on Flores

https://www.patspulpit.com/2017/12/...ian-flores-will-be-excellent-nfl-head-coaches

My next-top pick would be linebackers coach Brian Flores because of his extremely well-rounded history. He spent four seasons as a scout, three seasons with the special teams unit, one as an offensive assistant, and the past seven as the safeties and linebackers coach. He would really be able to understand how to construct a team and keep it competitive. The players love him and he’s the next in line to be the Patriots defensive coordinator if and when Patricia leaves.


https://www.revengeofthebirds.com/2...-flores-is-the-patriots-head-coach-in-waiting
From 2012-2015 Flores was the safeties coach for the New England Patriots before moving to the linebackers coach in 2016 to the current.

In other words, from his start in 2004 until now, Flores has literally had his hands in every department and level of the Patriots organization.

That is what makes him so enticing as a potential head coach. He’s seen and done it all.

While not being a coordinator is a tough sell, when you have been a part of every department within a football organization, you pick things up.

That means your well rounded and understand the impact of each group and how you want that group managed.

That also means you know the type of people you want to fill out your staff.

With Flores, the Cardinals would get one of the brightest and most well rounded young minds in the NFL.

The 36 year old would be a great foil to the young guns of the NFC West in Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVay, but it would take an incredible leap of faith for Steve Keim and Michael Bidwill to make that move.


https://nesn.com/2018/01/who-is-bri...ers-have-high-praise-for-up-and-coming-coach/
“I would just say, first thing, he’s always prepared,” safety Duron Harmon said Wednesday. “Just working under him as my safety coach for my first three years, we were always prepared. He tried his best to put everybody in that room in the best position, always tried to get his players on the field and just literally had us ready to go each and every week.”

Between leaving the scouting department in 2008 and earning his first position coach role in 2012, Flores spent time as an offensive, defensive and special teams assistant — experience that will serve him well if and when he takes on his first head-coaching job. “He’s a guy who has been in here — he’s been in scouting, worked with some special teams, did the offensive side of the ball for a little bit, then did safeties and now doing linebackers,” Harmon said. “So I just think the idea of him learning it all is really helping him become a good football coach, and I’m excited for where he’s at right now.”

Cornerback Eric Rowe does not work directly with Flores, but he said he often receives guidance from the young coach. “Brian is a great coach,” Rowe said. “I notice him on the sideline when he’s giving players tips. He even comes to me sometimes. He’s like, ‘Hey, be aware for this.’ Even though he doesn’t coach my position, he’s always telling us to read your keys and be aware of whatever the situation is. Just stuff like that gets us ready
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Read more at: https://nesn.com/2018/01/who-is-bri...ers-have-high-praise-for-up-and-coming-coach/

http://www.providencejournal.com/sp...ite-patriots-lb-coach-brian-flores-is-on-rise

There came a time in the Patriots safeties meeting room where Devin McCourty, Patrick Chung and Duron Harmon knew just about everything when it came to playing the position in the team’s defensive scheme.

That’s when then-safeties coach Brian Flores had to get creative.

“Flo’ would search through that film to tell each one of us, ‘Hey, when that comes up, we need you to make this play,’” McCourty said. “It kind of turned into not as much as coaching the scheme, but diving into our opponents. He’d show me different ways to look at our opponents, different ways to read quarterbacks and understand how they’re trying to attack us. To me, that was very key to developing into a better safety.”

“He pushed me harder than I could push myself at the time,” Harmon said. “He let me know that I had some unique talents. That I could be a good football player in this league. From the moment I got here, he did nothing but push me. Continued to try to make me better. Challenged me with all my weaknesses and challenged me with my strengths. It’s crazy because he still does it this day.

Brian Flores :“We’re all working together. To me, coaching is about building relationships and connecting with the guys — trying to get them to play at their highest level. To put them in positions to do what they do well. It’s been a good transition.”

Overall this guy, while maybe a bit raw, has every bit of the brains Matt Patricia is claimed to have. The attention to detail, drive, accountability, team awareness, coaching skill under time constraints, simply looking for anything to win seems outstanding.

This guy is impressive. If he's not ready yet, whoever gets him someday (maybe the Pats themselves) might get a great one.


...and we may have found out his nickname... 'Flo'
 

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It would be interesting to build a coaching tree for each likely candidate indicating whom each guy worked for, worked with or supervised.

Just to get a feel for what each guy's influences, coaching philosophies and buddies are part of his resume.

(Posted before I read Cardsfan88's excellent analysis of Flores etc.)
 
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With some more research right now I see that Flores was also considered by Kyle Shanahan for his staff before last season.

https://www.ninersnation.com/2017/2...taff-brian-flores-49ers-defensive-coordinator




Plus I just found some good articles with more info on Flores

https://www.patspulpit.com/2017/12/...ian-flores-will-be-excellent-nfl-head-coaches




https://www.revengeofthebirds.com/2...-flores-is-the-patriots-head-coach-in-waiting





https://nesn.com/2018/01/who-is-bri...ers-have-high-praise-for-up-and-coming-coach/


http://www.providencejournal.com/sp...ite-patriots-lb-coach-brian-flores-is-on-rise







Overall this guy, while maybe a bit raw, has every bit of the brains Matt Patricia is claimed to have. The attention to detail, drive, accountability, team awareness, coaching skill under time constraints, simply looking for anything to win seems outstanding.

This guy is impressive. If he's not ready yet, whoever gets him someday (maybe the Pats themselves) might get a great one.


...and we may have found out his nickname... 'Flo'

Ok, so this shows that writers for PatsPulpit, NESN.com, and revengeofthebirds like the idea of Flores. Also, players like the guy which is evidenced from reports out of the providence journal.

Might I point out that PatsPulpit, NESN, and the Providence Journal are a might bit biased when it comes to the Patriots, and their success. This isn't to say that this means Flores isn't a good option, but consider the source prior to buying what these articles are promoting.
 

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Mitch, Anyone - If you've got some time to kill...

It would be interesting to build a coaching tree for each likely candidate indicating whom each guy worked for, worked with or supervised.

Just to get a feel for what each guy's influences, coaching philosophies and buddies are part of his resume.

(Posted before I read Cardsfan88's excellent analysis of Flores etc.)

By close of the day is preferred:)
 

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Caldwell was a pretty decent qb coach for the Colts. Probably as good as BA. He might be a good balance to the young Brian Flores.
 
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Already that is a super smart call by Brian Flores. Jim Caldwell is a fantastic voice for reasons I will expound on in my next thread.
 

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Ok, so this shows that writers for PatsPulpit, NESN.com, and revengeofthebirds like the idea of Flores. Also, players like the guy which is evidenced from reports out of the providence journal.

Might I point out that PatsPulpit, NESN, and the Providence Journal are a might bit biased when it comes to the Patriots, and their success. This isn't to say that this means Flores isn't a good option, but consider the source prior to buying what these articles are promoting.

I'm simply finding info, not trying to say this guy should be who we pick. I'm fine with a number of candidates, but it might be wise and/or fun simply to learn more about this guy, since this guy seems to be the one no one knows anything about. He's a guy that hasn't been talked about much. We're the only team even interested in him.

But it is a guy that many people who do know him, speaking very highly of. A guy who Kyle Shanahan even considered for his coaching staff.

I'm not 'buying' anything but taking points I think would be favorable of a coach to have and highlighting them.

It's true, pro-Patriot publications would be apt to have bias in favor of their people/system.

But I don't believe any biases are meant to confuse the outside world. Most of the info in these articles were written with the mindset that they were looked at internally. A Patriots fan inner circle type thing.

It seems, whatever the case is, that they do like him and consider him a valid replacement for Belichick when he retires. That until then, he would make a valid replacement as the next defensive coordinator for the Patriots. That is if we (or someone else later) don't poach him.

I don't see how any of this can be shown that the bias is trying to fool us into picking up a skunk on their staff. It seems like a legitimate concern that if he leaves, they'll lose a good coach.

Now it could be rose colored glasses type thinking, but it is backed up with some real world examples. Examples that seem to show his practices might be better then some teams best. That makes me take notice.

It is backed up with how a player feels, and a coach leads men. This is one of the metrics the Cardinals laid out. They want a leader of men.

If players like him, and feel he prepares them meticulously (as noted in the articles), that's a good sign for a head coach. They don't like him because he's rah rah, or he demands respect Buddy Ryan style, it's because he has the tools to make them better. He has the insight to make them better, and he's going to push them.

Remember the last coach that really did that for us? His name was Todd Haley. I like that aspect of Todd Haley. I want more of it on our team.

Flores seems to go above and beyond what most coaches do. He emulates a process that many of the great coaches do. Doesn't mean he will be great, but it does mean he seems to have behaviors that are similar to great coaching minds of the past/present.

Not only was he making sure the guys he was responsible for got his knowledge, he was going out of his way to help other positions. It's clear not only does he have that sort of drive, but he has the knowledge to do so. Can't do that without both. It also is another feather in his cap that shows how versatile he is. How working at all these levels and positions has indeed helped him and he is applying them above and beyond.

You can see that he is quick minded, tireless, dedicated, and seems to use all the tools available to today's coaches, uses them well, and demands his players adhere.

How he is looking for players that want this. He wants team first players and won't tolerate otherwise. He makes his demands known and pays attention to see who is or isn't. This is good for any NFL team, and it is one of those things that people complained BA had lost track of a bit.

I think it's important we have a guy whose players know he has insight to help them be better. I think it's important we have a guy who is quick minded to run a team effectively from the sideline. A guy who understands things from every level of an organization would benefit working with Keim. This might be a guy who could work very well with Keim, and ensures Keim absolutely knows what kind of guy Flores would want drafted.

I didn't need the article to tell me that being well rounded and exposed to many level of an organization can help in being a coach. That's obvious (or should be to people). But it makes sense to think that might help a Keim (also a former scout).

I can take that information and this is what I glean from it. That's what these things mean to me.

I don't mind a coach who did advance scouting against pro teams, because I think that helps with overall game planning. Helps with meshing and absorbing the info he'd get from OUR advance scouts. It might also help him get our advance scouts on the same page with him and maybe even a thing or two they don't know and make them better.

Additionally, where else are we supposed to find ANY info on this guy? What's out there is out there, and there's not much of it. This is what was available. It may be biased, but I'm not looking at movie or video game review score to make a decision. I'm looking at specific things that are desirable in a coach, and there was enough info in all this stuff, including that youtube video of his that gave me enough to be excited about this guy.

Of course, no amount of praise by anyone ensures success. None of the above means he's ready now. I said in an earlier post he might not be ready, and he may be more of a 2019-2020, and on further thought maybe even a 2021-2022 candidate.

It may be a case where he's not our next coach, but could be in the running for our next-next coach.

It seems like he has all the tools to eventually have a shot to be a great coach. If he's ready, or close enough to it and we can surround him with some veteran coaches and assistants, then this year might be an acceptable choice.

He seems to check all the boxes besides experience, and bringing in good staff to work alongside him.

Anything can happen, but this guy seems to have a good shot to eventually succeed, and I really wonder how much of this would apply to all the other candidates we interview.
 
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I'm simply finding info, not trying to say this guy should be who we pick. I'm fine with a number of candidates, but it might be wise and/or fun simply to learn more about this guy, since this guy seems to be the one no one knows anything about. He's a guy that hasn't been talked about much. We're the only team even interested in him.

But it is a guy that many people who do know him, speaking very highly of. A guy who Kyle Shanahan even considered for his coaching staff.

I'm not 'buying' anything but taking points I think would be favorable of a coach to have and highlighting them.

It's true, pro-Patriot publications would be apt to have bias in favor of their people/system.

But I don't believe any biases are meant to confuse the outside world. Most of the info in these articles were written with the mindset that they were looked at internally. A Patriots fan inner circle type thing.

It seems, whatever the case is, that they do like him and consider him a valid replacement for Belichick when he retires. That until then, he would make a valid replacement as the next defensive coordinator for the Patriots. That is if we (or someone else later) don't poach him.

I don't see how any of this can be shown that the bias is trying to fool us into picking up a skunk on their staff. It seems like a legitimate concern that if he leaves, they'll lose a good coach.

Now it could be rose colored glasses type thinking, but it is backed up with some real world examples. Examples that seem to show his practices might be better then some teams best. That makes me take notice.

It is backed up with how a player feels, and a coach leads men. This is one of the metrics the Cardinals laid out. They want a leader of men.

If players like him, and feel he prepares them meticulously (as noted in the articles), that's a good sign for a head coach. They don't like him because he's rah rah, or he demands respect Buddy Ryan style, it's because he has the tools to make them better. He has the insight to make them better, and he's going to push them.

Remember the last coach that really did that for us? His name was Todd Haley. I like that aspect of Todd Haley. I want more of it on our team.

Flores seems to go above and beyond what most coaches do. He emulates a process that many of the great coaches do. Doesn't mean he will be great, but it does mean he seems to have behaviors that are similar to great coaching minds of the past/present.

Not only was he making sure the guys he was responsible for got his knowledge, he was going out of his way to help other positions. It's clear not only does he have that sort of drive, but he has the knowledge to do so. Can't do that without both. It also is another feather in his cap that shows how versatile he is. How working at all these levels and positions has indeed helped him and he is applying them above and beyond.

You can see that he is quick minded, tireless, dedicated, and seems to use all the tools available to today's coaches, uses them well, and demands his players adhere.

How he is looking for players that want this. He wants team first players and won't tolerate otherwise. He makes his demands known and pays attention to see who is or isn't. This is good for any NFL team, and it is one of those things that people complained BA had lost track of a bit.

I think it's important we have a guy whose players know he has insight to help them be better. I think it's important we have a guy who is quick minded to run a team effectively from the sideline. A guy who understands things from every level of an organization would benefit working with Keim. This might be a guy who could work very well with Keim, and ensures Keim absolutely knows what kind of guy Flores would want drafted.

I didn't need the article to tell me that being well rounded and exposed to many level of an organization can help in being a coach. That's obvious (or should be to people). But it makes sense to think that might help a Keim (also a former scout).

I can take that information and this is what I glean from it. That's what these things mean to me.

I don't mind a coach who did advance scouting against pro teams, because I think that helps with overall game planning. Helps with meshing and absorbing the info he'd get from OUR advance scouts. It might also help him get our advance scouts on the same page with him and maybe even a thing or two they don't know and make them better.

Additionally, where else are we supposed to find ANY info on this guy? What's out there is out there, and there's not much of it. This is what was available. It may be biased, but I'm not looking at movie or video game review score to make a decision. I'm looking at specific things that are desirable in a coach, and there was enough info in all this stuff, including that youtube video of his that gave me enough to be excited about this guy.

Of course, no amount of praise by anyone ensures success. None of the above means he's ready now. I said in an earlier post he might not be ready, and he may be more of a 2019-2020, and on further thought maybe even a 2021-2022 candidate.

It may be a case where he's not our next coach, but could be in the running for our next-next coach.

It seems like he has all the tools to eventually have a shot to be a great coach. If he's ready, or close enough to it and we can surround him with some veteran coaches and assistants, then this year might be an acceptable choice.

He seems to check all the boxes besides experience, and bringing in good staff to work alongside him.

Anything can happen, but this guy seems to have a good shot to eventually succeed, and I really wonder how much of this would apply to all the other candidates we interview.

damn...err..wow.

Dude, you dont normally get so vocal, lol. Excellent well written response and it echos my thoughts....only, mine are still echoing while yours are clear, lol.

He strikes me also as that guy... who might not quite be ready but do you really want to chance missing out on. when you look purely at the resume it isnt that impressive, but when you factor in the man...it is.
One has to wonder if he has already been promised Patricias job.
one must also wonder if the strife in the Pats organization is as bad as rumors have it.

those two things would determine if he would come on board as a DC or not....as much as I wouldnt want to miss out I just dont see anyone hiring him as a HC right now...if they did I would jump on board but I just dont see it. a jump that big might require a learning curve that we cant afford in our present situation..it may now... but we cant take the risk. If our team was intact with veteran leadership in key positions we could take that chance... but I would be all onboard having him as DC
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that would be a meticulously detailed high energy staff IMO. Might still require a learning curve due to lack of upper level experience... but not a steep one...a solid draft, suffer through 2018, another solid draft and playoffs in 19
 

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damn...err..wow.

Dude, you dont normally get so vocal, lol. Excellent well written response and it echos my thoughts....only, mine are still echoing while yours are clear, lol.

He strikes me also as that guy... who might not quite be ready but do you really want to chance missing out on. when you look purely at the resume it isnt that impressive, but when you factor in the man...it is.
One has to wonder if he has already been promised Patricias job.
one must also wonder if the strife in the Pats organization is as bad as rumors have it.

those two things would determine if he would come on board as a DC or not....as much as I wouldnt want to miss out I just dont see anyone hiring him as a HC right now...if they did I would jump on board but I just dont see it. a jump that big might require a learning curve that we cant afford in our present situation..it may now... but we cant take the risk. If our team was intact with veteran leadership in key positions we could take that chance... but I would be all onboard having him as DC
Wilks
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Flores

that would be a meticulously detailed high energy staff IMO. Might still require a learning curve due to lack of upper level experience... but not a steep one...a solid draft, suffer through 2018, another solid draft and playoffs in 19
For what it's worth...

Best supervisor I ever workd for had the personality of overcooked oatmeal. Nothing intimidating or rah-rah, but what he did was to clearly lay out what he expected you to do and then made you want to work your ass off because it was in your best self-interest. Vince Lomardi? No. But a helluva boss.
 

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I'm simply finding info, not trying to say this guy should be who we pick. I'm fine with a number of candidates, but it might be wise and/or fun simply to learn more about this guy, since this guy seems to be the one no one knows anything about. He's a guy that hasn't been talked about much. We're the only team even interested in him.

But it is a guy that many people who do know him, speaking very highly of. A guy who Kyle Shanahan even considered for his coaching staff.

I'm not 'buying' anything but taking points I think would be favorable of a coach to have and highlighting them.

It's true, pro-Patriot publications would be apt to have bias in favor of their people/system.

But I don't believe any biases are meant to confuse the outside world. Most of the info in these articles were written with the mindset that they were looked at internally. A Patriots fan inner circle type thing.

It seems, whatever the case is, that they do like him and consider him a valid replacement for Belichick when he retires. That until then, he would make a valid replacement as the next defensive coordinator for the Patriots. That is if we (or someone else later) don't poach him.

I don't see how any of this can be shown that the bias is trying to fool us into picking up a skunk on their staff. It seems like a legitimate concern that if he leaves, they'll lose a good coach.

Now it could be rose colored glasses type thinking, but it is backed up with some real world examples. Examples that seem to show his practices might be better then some teams best. That makes me take notice.

It is backed up with how a player feels, and a coach leads men. This is one of the metrics the Cardinals laid out. They want a leader of men.

If players like him, and feel he prepares them meticulously (as noted in the articles), that's a good sign for a head coach. They don't like him because he's rah rah, or he demands respect Buddy Ryan style, it's because he has the tools to make them better. He has the insight to make them better, and he's going to push them.

Remember the last coach that really did that for us? His name was Todd Haley. I like that aspect of Todd Haley. I want more of it on our team.

Flores seems to go above and beyond what most coaches do. He emulates a process that many of the great coaches do. Doesn't mean he will be great, but it does mean he seems to have behaviors that are similar to great coaching minds of the past/present.

Not only was he making sure the guys he was responsible for got his knowledge, he was going out of his way to help other positions. It's clear not only does he have that sort of drive, but he has the knowledge to do so. Can't do that without both. It also is another feather in his cap that shows how versatile he is. How working at all these levels and positions has indeed helped him and he is applying them above and beyond.

You can see that he is quick minded, tireless, dedicated, and seems to use all the tools available to today's coaches, uses them well, and demands his players adhere.

How he is looking for players that want this. He wants team first players and won't tolerate otherwise. He makes his demands known and pays attention to see who is or isn't. This is good for any NFL team, and it is one of those things that people complained BA had lost track of a bit.

I think it's important we have a guy whose players know he has insight to help them be better. I think it's important we have a guy who is quick minded to run a team effectively from the sideline. A guy who understands things from every level of an organization would benefit working with Keim. This might be a guy who could work very well with Keim, and ensures Keim absolutely knows what kind of guy Flores would want drafted.

I didn't need the article to tell me that being well rounded and exposed to many level of an organization can help in being a coach. That's obvious (or should be to people). But it makes sense to think that might help a Keim (also a former scout).

I can take that information and this is what I glean from it. That's what these things mean to me.

I don't mind a coach who did advance scouting against pro teams, because I think that helps with overall game planning. Helps with meshing and absorbing the info he'd get from OUR advance scouts. It might also help him get our advance scouts on the same page with him and maybe even a thing or two they don't know and make them better.

Additionally, where else are we supposed to find ANY info on this guy? What's out there is out there, and there's not much of it. This is what was available. It may be biased, but I'm not looking at movie or video game review score to make a decision. I'm looking at specific things that are desirable in a coach, and there was enough info in all this stuff, including that youtube video of his that gave me enough to be excited about this guy.

Of course, no amount of praise by anyone ensures success. None of the above means he's ready now. I said in an earlier post he might not be ready, and he may be more of a 2019-2020, and on further thought maybe even a 2021-2022 candidate.

It may be a case where he's not our next coach, but could be in the running for our next-next coach.

It seems like he has all the tools to eventually have a shot to be a great coach. If he's ready, or close enough to it and we can surround him with some veteran coaches and assistants, then this year might be an acceptable choice.

He seems to check all the boxes besides experience, and bringing in good staff to work alongside him.

Anything can happen, but this guy seems to have a good shot to eventually succeed, and I really wonder how much of this would apply to all the other candidates we interview.

That's a lot of words in response to a post which just encouraged people to consider the source. There is a lot of projection in your response which is important for folks to know. All of the remaining candidates are projections because there resume's are all pretty lean. Bidwill and Keim are looking for traits andhoping that they project to being a head coach in the way you highlighted in this post.
 

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re: Jim Caldwell....this is the guy who Matt Stafford underachieved under. I'm not sure that is a ringing endorsement. We talk about recycling garbage on this board...I think that is what hiring Caldwell as an OC would be. He hasn't elevated QB talent in any recent history despite having Manning and Stafford to work with.
 

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re: Jim Caldwell....this is the guy who Matt Stafford underachieved under. I'm not sure that is a ringing endorsement. We talk about recycling garbage on this board...I think that is what hiring Caldwell as an OC would be. He hasn't elevated QB talent in any recent history despite having Manning and Stafford to work with.

Agreed. He’s a big ball of MEH.
 

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De Filippo surely did great things
Not just growing carson wents in one of the best qbs of the nfl but expecially making foles very effective
 

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