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Out of all the QB's I think he might be the best choice. What does everyone think ? Or is everyone still sold on Johnson


Simms or Griese? Who'll Arrive in 2005
By Jeff Berlinicke Staff Writer
Date: Jan 30, 2005

Will Bucs opt for experience or financial matters? Both played well in spurts last season, but does one of them have to go?

Chris Simms or Brian Griese?

That’s one of many decisions the Tampa Bay Buccaneers face in the off-season and, like most facing the franchise, this could come down to money.

Griese is a free agent this off-season and played just well enough to earn a substantial boost from last season when he started the regular season as the emergency quarterback. He put up big numbers, but didn’t come through on the scoreboard. He looked great at times after replacing the injured Simms who replaced the ineffective Brad Johnson just four games into the season.

The rap on Griese is that he tries to force passes and he has the mobility of an anchor. He’s been a Pro Bowler and a bust. He’s only 30, still young by NFL quarterback standards and he as one major advantage: Bucs coach Jon Gruden likes his quarterbacks experienced.

Griese, however, wore out his welcome after some success in Denver, and barely played when he spent 2003 with the Miami Dolphins. He understands the game and picked up the Bucs offense quickly but made mistakes that cost the Bucs several games.

Simms has the pedigree. Like Griese, he’s the son of a Super Bowl-winning quarterback, and Simms natural gifts have never been questioned. He gave the Bucs a spark when he relieved Johnson in the season’s fourth game, but went out with an injury the following week and received only spot duty the rest of the way.

Simms has a gun for an arm and has some, if not tremendous, mobility, a key factor behind the Bucs porous and yet-to-be-reconstructed offensive line. His limited experience will weigh against him, but he’s also tied up to the Bucs for 2005 on a team that is under salary cap Hell. If the Bucs dump Griese’s contract, Simms is automatically the man by default since there’s virtually no way Johnson will return. He, too, is a free agent.

While the Bucs have all of their draft picks this year, they won’t waste one early, but may take a slight gamble on Day Two of the draft. Even if Griese stays, Simms won’t be comfortable sitting on the bench once his own contract expires so this might be a season to draft a prospect for the future. This isn’t a particularly deep year at quarterback, but a steal could be had late.

The guess here is that, although Gruden has said he wants Griese next year, the team is looking to chop salary everywhere it can to get under the cap. Simms proved to Gruden early in the year that he was ready to start and he outplayed Griese during the 2004 preseason before Griese picked up the offense. Simms also doesn’t need the shadow of Griese lurking in the backgrouhg. Remember, the backup quarterback is usually the fan favorite once things go downhill. The Bucs may have to buy a bargain basement free-agent quarterback to sit behind Simms, preferably one with some experience to tutor Simms. Is Mark Brunell available at a decent cost?
 

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If Greise becomes available he becomes, in my mind, the most important off-season target for this team.
 

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Question is was a inept offense in Tampa Bay where defense has always ruled hurt Griese's production while he was there....
 

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He's always interested me but two things I can't shake about Griese.

1) The San Diego game this year that I saw, he had 390+ yards passing, over 70% completions, 3 TD's, and yet he single handedly cost the Bucs the game with 3 picks and a lost fumble and at least 2 of them came at the absolute worst time in the game.

2) Denver fans think of Griese the way many of us think of Jake, they think they wasted too much time and money on the guy and they're so glad he's gone. They are MUCH happier with Jake which has to scare you. :eek:

He is a very accurate passer, but he absolutely doesn't have a strong arm (which Green likes) and he's not much of a leader. But you can't argue with what he CAN do, and he played quite well for Tampa this year. I also worry about why Tampa isn't rushing to go out and get him signed after the way he played?
 

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Pariah said:
If Greise becomes available he becomes, in my mind, the most important off-season target for this team.


:rolleyes: Wow! Most important offseason target?!?! A retread qb on his 3rd team in 3 years is now the main target?
 

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Upgrade from McCown but not a long-term answer. He's a stop-gap at best and I wouldn't want to see the Cards give him a huge contract. BUT, for the right price I would prefer him over Johnson just from an age/value factor.

If the Cards could sign Griese, I would favor not tendering Josh and going with Griese/Navarre as the #1 and #2 and let the chips fall where they may. I believe that would be a significant upgrade from last year at the QB spot.
 

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Russ Smith said:
He's always interested me but two things I can't shake about Griese.

1) The San Diego game this year that I saw, he had 390+ yards passing, over 70% completions, 3 TD's, and yet he single handedly cost the Bucs the game with 3 picks and a lost fumble and at least 2 of them came at the absolute worst time in the game.

2) Denver fans think of Griese the way many of us think of Jake, they think they wasted too much time and money on the guy and they're so glad he's gone. They are MUCH happier with Jake which has to scare you. :eek:

He is a very accurate passer, but he absolutely doesn't have a strong arm (which Green likes) and he's not much of a leader. But you can't argue with what he CAN do, and he played quite well for Tampa this year. I also worry about why Tampa isn't rushing to go out and get him signed after the way he played?

I think, Russ, it will be mainly because they have more $$$$ at stake with Simms. It will be a cap situation if they let Griese go.

Griese would be fine with the receiver corps here and an upgrade at the RB spot. I would like the signing a lot if he came here. I think he gets a bad rap because he got the big money in Denver and wasn't John Elway.
 

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I hate to break it to some of you but Josh isn't going anywhere. He is too cheap too young and has too much potential for the team to just let him walk. There aren't that many options out there better than him whether you want to believe that or not. He has made enough plays to guarantee himself atleast a tender.
 

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clif said:
I hate to break it to some of you but Josh isn't going anywhere. He is too cheap too young and has too much potential for the team to just let him walk. There aren't that many options out there better than him whether you want to believe that or not. He has made enough plays to guarantee himself atleast a tender.


I think he'll be back. I think we'll tender him, he may get SOME interest but not a lot, and I think he'll realize his best chance to play is here and he'll accept the tender.
 

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clif said:
:rolleyes: Wow! Most important offseason target?!?! A retread qb on his 3rd team in 3 years is now the main target?
Yup. That's how bad your boy Josh is.
 

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Originally Posted by clif
Wow! Most important offseason target?!?! A retread qb on his 3rd team in 3 years is now the main target?

Yup. That's how bad your boy Josh is.


:biglaugh:


Classic lol.... :)
 
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Pariah said:
Yup. That's how bad your boy Josh is.

I think you're smoking something serious. you might want to go get tested. :D

we can debate josh back and forth, but really does no good. My point is that brian fricken griese is not be the top FA pickup. Too much money for his age and other pressing needs.
 

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clif said:
I hate to break it to some of you but Josh isn't going anywhere. He is too cheap too young and has too much potential for the team to just let him walk. There aren't that many options out there better than him whether you want to believe that or not. He has made enough plays to guarantee himself atleast a tender.

I'm sure he will get a tender, hopefully the low tender. I didn't say he was "going anywhere", I imagine he WILL be back for a couple of reasons you stated, he's young and he's cheap. As to "potential" I think that is in the eye of the beholder. I don't see that much "potential" in Josh as far as a starter goes and not really that much that excites me as a #2. He just doesn't have the mental capability to be an NFL QB IMO.

Whatever...
 

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clif said:
I think you're smoking something serious. you might want to go get tested. :D

we can debate josh back and forth, but really does no good. My point is that brian fricken griese is not be the top FA pickup. Too much money for his age and other pressing needs.
For his age? He's in a QB's prime years.
 

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Pariah said:
For his age? He's in a QB's prime years.


so as russ stated earlier, why hasnt tampa thrown him the money? They above all others should know whether or not he is worth a new contract.

I think he is serviceable and MAY be an upgrade over josh, but there is no proof in that at this point. My original contention was where you said he would be the most important off-season target for this team. That is a bold statement especially considering the fact that the starting Rb from last year is getting ready to retire and his backups are coming off serious leg and foot injuries.
 

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so as russ stated earlier, why hasnt tampa thrown him the money? They above all others should know whether or not he is worth a new contract.

I think he is serviceable and MAY be an upgrade over josh, but there is no proof in that at this point. My original contention was where you said he would be the most important off-season target for this team. That is a bold statement especially considering the fact that the starting Rb from last year is getting ready to retire and his backups are coming off serious leg and foot injuries.

Just to clarify I didn't state it, I ASKED it because i honestly don't know why. Simms was a 2nd round pick so he doesn't have a huge contract. I'm not clear on Tampa's cap situation but if they're dumping Brad Johnson, then I don't see why they aren't going to keep Griese AND Simms? I realize Brian is a FA but that doesn't mean they have to pay him 10 million a year, I think Griese has been around long enough, and made enough money in Denver, that he is probably concerned with being in the right situation and he had a good year last year so he'd probably like to stay.

I would assume a guy like Griese on the open market won't get top dollar, I don't think we have to break the bank to go after him. Gruden is notoriously harsh on QB's, especially young ones, so it's a surprise he's apparently leaning to keeping Simms and dumping Johnson AND Griese.
 

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clif said:
:rolleyes: Wow! Most important offseason target?!?! A retread qb on his 3rd team in 3 years is now the main target?

Almost any QB you can name who comes from another team can be labeled a retread. There have been some rather gifted retreads switch teams over the years. We are going to need a retread of some sort and you can bet Denny has some names in mind.
 

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clif said:
I hate to break it to some of you but Josh isn't going anywhere. He is too cheap too young and has too much potential for the team to just let him walk. There aren't that many options out there better than him whether you want to believe that or not. He has made enough plays to guarantee himself atleast a tender.

Cheap-yes. Young-yes. Potential-No.
 

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clif said:
I think you're smoking something serious. you might want to go get tested. :D

we can debate josh back and forth, but really does no good. My point is that brian fricken griese is not be the top FA pickup. Too much money for his age and other pressing needs.

A QB is our most pressing need and has been for over ten years. Until we address it we will continue to barely tread water.
 

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Let me clear up my point


serviceable and worth a look :thumbup:

most important off-season target for this team. :thumbdown
 

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clif said:
Let me clear up my point


serviceable and worth a look :thumbup:

most important off-season target for this team. :thumbdown

I'm still confused. :shrug:


So you're saying Josh sucks right? :D

I agree, if he's out there Griese is worth bringing in, but I wouldn't say he'd be our #1 priority, that should be LaMont Jordan IMHO.
 

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Tampa Bay has an option on him for another year but its an expensive option. They are working to resign him for a lesser amount. Tampa Bay has serious cap problems. I got this out of a Tampa Bay paper.

The Bucs have until the beginning of March to reach an agreement with Griese, when he is owed a $6-million roster bonus that the club has little intention of paying. Combined with a $2-million base salary, his cap figure would approach $8-million
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clif said:
I hate to break it to some of you but Josh isn't going anywhere. He is too cheap too young and has too much potential for the team to just let him walk. There aren't that many options out there better than him whether you want to believe that or not. He has made enough plays to guarantee himself atleast a tender.

:p :thumbup:
 

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Everyting I've read and/or heard says that Tampa Bay is planning on bringing back both Griese and Simms and letting them compete for the starting job.
 
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