Bring on Te'o

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Mindset maybe but coverage skills? He had 7 interceptions last season. But he's not going to be a Cardinal anyway. Our new ILBs are going to be Jasper and Nico Johnson.

Coverage and catching ability are two separate traits.

He wasn't running with guys and picking them off because he had the speed to cover.

He simply had the hands to catch the ball. Good for him. He made the plays that were there for him to make in that sense.

You won't be seeing any D.Wash coverage type INT's from him ala Matt Ryan in the ATL game. (aside from bang bang in the middle plays where he isn't running but timing wise the TE or receiver is crossing him)

If it's near him, he'll catch it. But when will he be near it? You tend to see less of those 'right to your hands' INT's in the pros. They happen much more often in college.
 

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Coverage and catching ability are two separate traits.

He wasn't running with guys and picking them off because he had the speed to cover.

He simply had the hands to catch the ball. Good for him. He made the plays that were there for him to make in that sense.

You won't be seeing any D.Wash coverage type INT's from him ala Matt Ryan in the ATL game. (aside from bang bang in the middle plays where he isn't running but timing wise the TE or receiver is crossing him)

If it's near him, he'll catch it. But when will he be near it? You tend to see less of those 'right to your hands' INT's in the pros. They happen much more often in college.

I don't buy into this at all. 2-3 just got lucky interceptions, maybe. But not 7. I read takes like this all the time about players and it makes me wonder where people have the time or ability to watch every play of every game of so many different college players. Maybe you did but then it just seems odd that you would unless you are a ND fan.
 
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Speaking of Washington and pass coverage, several times the past couple of years I'd see Daryl 10-20-30 yards downfield trying to cover the other teams #2 or #3 Wide Receiver. Usually with poor results. Anyone have an idea as to what was up with that?
 

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I don't buy into this at all. 2-3 just got lucky interceptions, maybe. But not 7. I read takes like this all the time about players and it makes me wonder where people have the time or ability to watch every play of every game of so many different college players. Maybe you did but then it just seems odd that you would unless you are a ND fan.

You misread what I mean. LB's get INT's. Sometimes they ebb and flow naturally. Look at his INT stats from previous years. I was very fair with my assessment. I don't care if he went to Notre Dame. I actually rooted for them against Alabama. I'm not Catholic. Not anti-Catholic.

I've seen a decent amount of him. The INT's I saw weren't of the DWash variety. Now THOSE are INT's where SKILL made them INT's. You don't need to watch 'every play'. Watch a few games. Watch some highlights, and really you can see what a player is from that.

Most of what you need you can figure out in five minutes of highlights. It helps to keep a player, in this case I use DWash in mind, when you are looking at what you want out of the guy. Relationally you have in your mind what a good NFL pro will do and what the hell is x player doing compared to it. Is he as fast. In various ways. Burst. Change of direction. straight line speed. closing speed. So on and so forth.

Is Te'o capable of keeping with an NFL receiver on an out route and beat him for an INT? Not even close.

You will not get INT's like DWash from Te'o. If DWash is the type of player you want, or a little bit less, why is Te'o even being mentioned? We watch guys like Willis and Bowman, and we're talking about Te'o?

It's like saying a guy with 15 TD's is a good rb. When all he need to of had is 30 attempts from the 1 yard line. Just because a guy has 7 INT's, doesn't make him a good LB.

That's why stats can mean nothing.

It means....he can catch....if the ball is close to him. But with his lack of speed, it isn't him, tracking the ball down in the air while running with a receiver/te.

That's what our LB's in the NFL are going to. That's guys like DWash.

Te'o can't do that.

No one said Dwash is a cornerback. But he CAN do it. Especially against TE's.

You only NOTICE usually when it's bad. But he does it, and sometimes just being close, keeps a throw from being thrown.

Te'o can't run with them at all. They'll get wide open and, those throws WILL be thrown.

Remember in the NFL you only have so much time to throw, so if you have a LB that can run with the receiver or TE for an additional second or two, that's a BIG deal.

So on pass plays you don't get that. On run plays you have a guy who has shown he has trouble with any blocker that gets to the 2nd level. In the NFL alot of them are going to be about as fast as him too.

Here's this shows at least 5 of those INT's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWxIUeZKPmc

As you can see they are thrown right at him or within a step and a lunge. One where he goes to the ground.

Here shows some more
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M6q_A33HAU

Again, where was the athleticism on these INT's? They WERE basically thrown right at, or right near him. A couple were tips. A couple were good defensive scheming which had him run to certain areas only to WOW here's the ball. He can be Johnny on the spot.

Again, good for him to catch it when it got there. I've never said otherwise. But in the NFL it doesn't happen as much. He's going to need speed to cover guys. He has the skill of catching balls and being able to be johnny on the spot on tips. That's a skill.

I hope the guy proves me wrong. But we're talking about guys like this and guys that look like Calais Campbell or Adrian Wilson. Starting rb's. Starting receivers. Rush linebackers. He so is not in the same league imo.
 

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I could care less about his off-field stuff. Just watch the Alabama game and then look at his surprisingly slow 40 times. Then throw in the fact that Alex Flanagan went all the way to Hawaii to be with him during the draft and he chose to watch it in isolation...

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The INT's I saw weren't of the DWash variety

I watched DWash's 4 career interceptions 1 in 2012, 2 in 2011 and one in 2010. The first 2011 pick was just like the 2012 pick where DWash got himself in the right positon for the interception.

The other two came vs Denver in 2010 when Orton under pressure, way behind and late in the 4th, threw the ball right to him AND....................

vs SF in 2011 when he was covering Joe Staley in the endzone and Smith threw the ball right to DW. :D
 

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I watched DWash's 4 career interceptions 1 in 2012, 2 in 2011 and one in 2010. The first 2011 pick was just like the 2012 pick where DWash got himself in the right positon for the interception.

The other two came vs Denver in 2010 when Orton under pressure, way behind and late in the 4th, threw the ball right to him AND....................

vs SF in 2011 when he was covering Joe Staley in the endzone and Smith threw the ball right to DW. :D

:D
 

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Fair enough...thank you for answering the question.

Championship game is a real reason to be concerned. I think it is the main reason he fell. Most guys with his body of work aren't there in the second round.

This has got to be a heated discussion so take this for what it's worth but I heard a guest on a sports radio station today and the talk turned to MT and why he dropped. I can't remember who the guy was.

He said that teams that were interested in MT in doing their due diligence went and talked to some of his team mates and a lot of them had negative things to say about him.

Thought he was a phony.

Like I said take it for what it's worth.

I compare him to a guy like AJ Klein from Iowa State.

AJ is the same size as MT but had much better combine numbers.

I'm not going to list all AJ's honors but he was well recognized for his play and had a lot less help from team mates than MT had.

He also gets a lot less publicity playing in Ames, Iowa.

I think he will have a better career than MT.
 

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Speaking of Washington and pass coverage, several times the past couple of years I'd see Daryl 10-20-30 yards downfield trying to cover the other teams #2 or #3 Wide Receiver. Usually with poor results. Anyone have an idea as to what was up with that?

When you blitz a DB, the rush better get to the quarterback.
 
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Well we did technically select him...just traded him after :D
 

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