Bruce Arians' Coachspeak

[Cheesebeef]

So, I was listening to Doug and Wolf this morning and heard a Bruce Arians quote about the Cardinals now having an advantage because we're playing a rookie QB and I gotta tell you, it rubbed me the wrong way. Not just the statement, but I'm starting to put a lot of statements Arians has said together and it's beginning to seem like he's all bark, no bite.

The Levi Brown is "elite" comment, for whatever reason it was said, just looks incredibly stupid now. The "Cardinals won't beat the Cardinals" comment looks foolish as well at this point in the year and giving a struggling team on the verge of implosion bulletin board material, right after a game in which your own team looked like a complete and utter joke just feels...wrong to me.

Anyone feel this way? That Arians' mouth is writing check his team can't cash? I really hope we beat the Bucs this week and think that we should, but if we don't, how dumb does Arians start to look when most of what he says continually blows up in his face?

NOTE: This is not a "I hate Bruce Arians" thread. Just not a fan of the way he talks.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

So, I was listening to Doug and Wolf this morning and heard a Bruce Arians quote about the Cardinals now having an advantage because we're playing a rookie QB and I gotta tell you, it rubbed me the wrong way. Not just the statement, but I'm starting to put a lot of statements Arians has said together and it's beginning to seem like he's all bark, no bite.

The Levi Brown is "elite" comment, for whatever reason it was said, just looks incredibly stupid now. The "Cardinals won't beat the Cardinals" comment looks foolish as well at this point in the year and giving a struggling team on the verge of implosion bulletin board material, right after a game in which your own team looked like a complete and utter joke just feels...wrong to me.

Anyone feel this way? That Arians' mouth is writing check his team can't cash? I really hope we beat the Bucs this week and think that we should, but if we don't, how dumb does Arians start to look when most of what he says continually blows up in his face?

NOTE: This is not a "I hate Bruce Arians" thread. Just not a fan of the way he talks.

No, but I should not count.

1. Arians is originally from New Jersey and unless you make a conscience effort to change they way you speak, this state ingrains that type of talk onto a person. So, his bravado is not that shocking to me.

2. He is on year 1 of his tenure here in AZ, and unlike Whiz whom came to a team that had some good talent left over from Denny Green, Arians has been starting from square one, and getting ZERO luck on trying to change things. When you start off with an offensive line of: Levi Brown, Daryn Colledge, Lyle Sendlein, Adam Snyder, and Bobby Massie, it is like being asked to run a race, but having someone give you a baseball bat to the junk 10 seconds before the gun goes off.

Thus some of the things he says I feel are in regards to long term, ala Cardinals not beating the Cardinals, and others is the foolish Jersey bravado that infects most in the state, ala Levi Brown is elite.

I am on the fence with the guy, and how he speaks. Yet, after Ken Whizenhunt and his weekly diatribe, that was always the same, I cannot say it is not refreshing to hear someone that is pretty genuine with his thoughts and words. I am not saying the smartest things come out of the guys' mouth, just that it is a change of pace that I am OK with.

.........................LOL, the length and readability of this post is truly ironic.

 

[BigRedRage]

I have no problem with how he talks, he just speaks his mind. everyone out there thinks having a rookie QB start gives us an advantage, he didnt say anything the masses dont already think.

if he came out and said the details of our gameplan and on sunday it showed he wasnt lying about the details thatd be a problem.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Well done is better than well said. I've heard a lot about better coaching, more discipline and what a task master and detail oriented coach Arians is. All I see is the same old crap - missed blocks, missed tackles, dropped passes.

Show me, don't tell me.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

There's always going to be guys like Belichick or Nick Saban who would probably nitpick their team's performance a few minutes after winning a championship while guys like Pete Carroll would exude optimism and will blow smoke up his teams ass even as they went 4-12.

Different strokes.

 

[Totally_Red]

1. Arians is originally from New Jersey and unless you make a conscience effort to change they way you speak, this state ingrains that type of talk onto a person. So, his bravado is not that shocking to me.

Jay Feely said that B.A. reminded him in some ways of Rex Ryan.

BA's blunt demeanor is a refreshing alternative to the 'coach-speak' which dominates the fraternity IMO.

Facing a rookie quarterback in his first start should give an advantage to the Cardinals. If a coach doesn't feel that way, he's in the wrong profession. Even with a depleted linebacker group, the Cardinals should be able to make TB one-dimensional by taking away the run. Then they 'should' be able to frustrate Mike Glennon with defensive schemes that he either hasn't seen or are disguised so that he doesn't recognize them and makes 'rookie' mistakes.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Jay Feely said that B.A. reminded him in some ways of Rex Ryan.

BA's blunt demeanor is a refreshing alternative to the 'coach-speak' which dominates the fraternity IMO.

Facing a rookie quarterback in his first start should give an advantage to the Cardinals. If a coach doesn't feel that way, he's in the wrong profession. Even with a depleted linebacker group, the Cardinals should be able to make TB one-dimensional by taking away the run. Then they 'should' be able to frustrate Mike Glennon with defensive schemes that he either hasn't seen or are disguised so that he doesn't recognize them and makes 'rookie' mistakes.

I agree, he should feel that way, but saying it to the press doesn't make a lot of sense to me. but that's just me.

I hope he and the team make good on their advantage. i just think he's going to start looking like a blowhard if his words keep blowing up in his face.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I agree, he should feel that way, but saying it to the press doesn't make a lot of sense to me. but that's just me.

I hope he and the team make good on their advantage. i just think he's going to start looking like a blowhard if his words keep blowing up in his face.

+1

No doubt about that.

 

[FORKTUNG]

The honeymoon is over with BA and he is getting that deer in the headlights look at pressers now IMO

 

[ANDY440]

Hey Rugby as a ex Jerseyian this made me laugh but its true.

"1. Arians is originally from New Jersey and unless you make a conscience effort to change they way you speak, this state ingrains that type of talk onto a person. So, his bravado is not that shocking to me."

 

[BigRedRage]

The honeymoon is over with BA and he is getting that deer in the headlights look at pressers now IMO

Lol couldnt disagree more - its his first year with a brand new roster that lacks talent in a lot of impoirtant places. The playcalling has been a lot better and faster and the offense has looked better in general. The D is taking a step back but they lost a lot of players and changed schemes.

If we dont improve next year on whatever we do this year thats when I will start taking issue. This year is free pass year IMO.

 

[Mulli]

Lol couldnt disagree more - its his first year with a brand new roster that lacks talent in a lot of impoirtant places. The playcalling has been a lot better and faster and the offense has looked better in general. The D is taking a step back but they lost a lot of players and changed schemes.

If we dont improve next year on whatever we do this year thats when I will start taking issue. This year is free pass year IMO.

Your a free pass.

 

[BigRedRage]

Your a free pass.

get out of jail free!

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

If I'm in my first tenure as a head coach, I look around...see what some of the most successful guys are doing, and I emulate them as much as possible.

This is clearly not Arians MO, because at this point, he comes across closer to Buddy Ryan than say.... Belicheck.

Less talking, more walking please.

 

[clif]

I never watch pressers. Complete waste of time. I wisll say though that I don't care what Arians says, but I am starting to question his decisions.

1. Cutting Scho - who knows what he would have been doing this year. All I know is he had 4 sacks last year. We have 5 total. 1 from our LB's
2. Peterson on offense- waste of resources

 

[Southpaw]

Don't know if "rookie" can be any worse than Freeman. If Freeman was starting I'd take the Cards. With Mike Glennon , not so sure.

Wish Glennon wasn't debuting against the Cards, since I touted him pre draft. Now I want him to suck ( for 1 game ).

 

[Mulli]

Doesn't really matter what he says. Can he develop at QB after Carson Palmer?

That is the bottom line.

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[Mulli]

Hiring Ron Turner as your OC is a great way to kill a QB, Tampa Bay. He is terrible.

 

[Totally_Red]

The honeymoon is over with BA and he is getting that deer in the headlights look at pressers now IMO

He has a roster closer to what Pete Carroll had in Seattle than what Jim Harbaugh had in SF IMO. It takes more than three games to fairly evaluate him. He blew a lot of smoke about winning in year one but the Cardinals have sustained enough injuries by now, that I don't expect a winning record THIS year. But seven wins would be nice.

Pete Carroll's first three seasons in Seattle...
2010 7-9
2011 7-9
2012 11-5

 

[Buckybird]

2. He is on year 1 of his tenure here in AZ, and unlike Whiz whom came to a team that had some good talent left over from Denny Green, Arians has been starting from square one, and getting ZERO luck on trying to change things.

I'm not buying this Rugby.

1) when BA was hired he had inherited a pretty good defense & one of the best in the NFL against the pass, that was also decent in forcing TOs & decent in getting sacks. IMO BA fired the best part of the Cards entire team last year in Horton, among other players who were sent packing.

2) DWash is one of the best ILB in the game, PP is considered by many to be the best CB in the NFL & Fitz is one of the best 5 WRs in the game. Calais is probably a top five 3-4 DE.

Sure we have holes, but don't act like Arians & Keim are inheritanting the roster from the Jags...cause there was & still talent here.

I still say the million $$$ question is whether BA is willing to draft a young stud QB early in the next 2 years or is he sticking to his "win now" philosophy?

 

[BigRedRage]

I'm not buying this Rugby.

1) when BA was hired he had inherited a pretty good defense & one of the best in the NFL against the pass, that was also decent in forcing TOs & decent in getting sacks. IMO BA fired the best part of the Cards entire team last year in Horton, among other players who were sent packing.

2) DWash is one of the best ILB in the game, PP is considered by many to be the best CB in the NFL & Fitz is one of the best 5 WRs in the game. Calais is probably a top five 3-4 DE.

Sure we have holes, but don't act like Arians & Keim are inheritanting the roster from the Jags...cause there was & still talent here.

I still say the million $$$ question is whether BA is willing to draft a young stud QB early in the next 2 years or is he sticking to his "win now" philosophy?

CC hasnt been top 5 so far this year.

As far as firing horton, it made sense. It sucks but it makes sense. Besides, maybe Horton didnt want to be here since he wasnt HC.

 

[Cheesebeef]

CC hasnt been top 5 so far this year.

As far as firing horton, it made sense. It sucks but it makes sense. Besides, maybe Horton didnt want to be here since he wasnt HC.

it may have made sense (although that could be argued), but it didn't make sense to then replace him with someone as underwhelming as Bowles, IMO. Nor did it make sense to gut the 5th best pass defense in the league and strip the team of OLB depth, by cutting Schofield. That move always seemed odd to me, especially while keeping 5 RBs, one of which looks like he's never going to see the light of day.

 

[BigRedRage]

it may have made sense (although that could be argued), but it didn't make sense to then replace him with someone as underwhelming as Bowles, IMO. Nor did it make sense to gut the 5th best pass defense in the league and strip the team of OLB depth, by cutting Schofield. That move always seemed odd to me, especially while keeping 5 RBs, one of which looks like he's never going to see the light of day.

Agreed about cutting scho and keeping RW when we arent using him but hindsight is 20/20.

As far as bowles, ill reserve judgement until the end of the year while installing scheme and etc. Also hard to beat on him with the safeties he has and powers not playing well like ever.

Bowles was whiz #2 behind horton when horton was hired. A lot of people lamented the hiring of the inexperienced horton and it worked out well but not until near end of year one.

Anyway, good comments, I agree but I also want to give them time before I am willing to pull out a pitchfork.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Sure we have holes, but don't act like Arians & Keim are inheritanting the roster from the Jags...cause there was & still talent here.

We are going to have to agree to disagree on that one.

Running Back, Tight End, Every position on the Offensive line, Outside linebacker, Strong Inside linebacker, Quarterback

That's 11 out of the 22 starting positions.

So, half the positions in football were devoid of talent. Can't fix it all in one year.

There has to be some reason I was so excited to see a forward pass completed at the beginning of this season.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

by cutting Schofield. That move always seemed odd to me, especially while keeping 5 RBs, one of which looks like he's never going to see the light of day.

The next LT (as he was called by many this offseason) ?

He at least has 1 sack in 3 games: http://www.nfl.com/player/o'brienschofield/496851/profile

Just like Acho did.