Bryant charged with felony sexual assault

[schutd]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Well rape is QUITE EASY to determine. If he is convicted of rape, there will be no question in my mind that he did it.

The physical evidence for forced intercourse can't be confused with the physical evidence of consensual intercourse.

It's funny that Kobe didn't admit that he had intercourse until the prosecutor said that he was filing charges.

WHy would he? Its none of our business, and if the DA had decided to NOT file charges, he would have admitted a private mistake to the public for no reason. I just watched his press conference replay this morning.

Until proved otherwise, Kobe is guilty of adultery, he came across as INCREDIBLY sorry for his lapse in judegement, his wife by his side. All he did is what the vast majority of other men do. I dont condone it, but I absolutely WILL NOT judge him for it. Its none of my business.

 

[schutd]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
I agree totally. I love how the woman is almost always blamed when a rich athlete supposedly rapes her.

Im not blaming her, but what do we actually know right now? They had sex of some sort. (non-Clinton definition in play here).

Other than that we know NOTHING.

 

[schutd]

Originally posted by slinslin


Like when Ross had sex with the girl from the copy shop when he was drunk and Rachel wanted a break.

Bwahahahaha!

 

[schutd]

Originally posted by Brian in Mesa
The only two people that know what really happened are Kobe and the girl. What I am saying (and many others too) is that Kobe likely had consensual sex with her (why would he need to sexually force himself on someone?) and then she saw the chance to take it to court and be set for life (which happens all the time with women throwing themselves at pro athletes).

I never said "Poor Kobe" or put out any bit of sympathy for him. If he indeed cheated on his wife, I think he is a piece of crap.

On the other hand, this girl COULD HAVE gone to his room with stars in her eyes, had second thoughts, said no, and the big bad NBA star's ego might not have let some 19 year old tease him like that, so he got a little forceful or something.

But its all conjecture. We know nothing.

I dont see how you ca forgive someone and still think they are a piece of crap though. So, BIM, is he worthy of forgiveness if his only sin is adultery? ANd if he is? Is he still a piece of crap? Did you see the press conference? I was impressed with him and his candidness (pending further evidence, of course).

 

[schutd]

Originally posted by slinslin
Exactly.
If they didn't think they would likely win the case and convict Kobe of class 3 sexual assault they would not have charged him.

Most LIKELY true, but also conjecture. The possibility exists that the DA is looking to get famous too. There's too many players in the game.

To speculate is a bad thing right now. And all anyone has done is specualte and voice opinions.

Lets wait and see what what happens before we scorn the money digging girl, or hang the spoiled NBA star or look down upon the DA looking to get famous.

Watch a REAL soap opera if you guys need drama.

 

[schutd]

Originally posted by Skkorpion
He said, she said. He wins.

In the end, whether it was rape or consentual sex, Kobe Bryant is a scum of a human being. And his "wife", term used loosely, is a fraud who wants to keep her money.

yech!

So people aren't capable of mistakes and forgiveness of each other???

Damn, I generally despise the human race, but y'all are some hatin mother effers.

 

[schutd]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Hmmm....did you notice that at first he said he didn't know her? And now he is saying that he had sex with her.

I don't know what you qualify as lying, but that sounds like a lie to me. Let's face it. We already know that Kobe isn't the role model that we believed, even if he isn't guilty of rape.

Ive had sex with chicks I dont know. I dont see the lie.

 

[Renz]

I don't condone adultery, but it is something that is between the man and his wife. It isn't a crime, at least not in America. Whether she forgives him or not is completely up to her and is no one else's business.

I love how some people have said that his wife will stay with him because of the money, but don't consider that the accuser may be after the $ as well.

As for his denying that he knew the girl at first, if he did, how many of us would openly admit we cheated on our wife in front of the whole world?

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by schutd
Im not blaming her, but what do we actually know right now? They had sex of some sort. (non-Clinton definition in play here).

Other than that we know NOTHING.

So what's your point? That was post was directed at some people who were saying she was lying.

Well so far we do know that one person has lied: Kobe Bryant. I'm not one of those people who condemn others all the time, but imo Kobe looks pretty guilty right now.

To me it seems pretty stupid that he didn't just admit that he had sex with her from the very beginning. But now he has already hurt his own credibility.

All he had to do was say. "Yes, I had sex with her, it was consensual. I'm very sorry. I've hurt my wife, my child, my family, her family, and the public's trust. Role models make mistakes too."

So what do we know? Kobe lied when asked if he knew her, admits to having sex with her, and the DA, highly scrutinizing the evidence, has enough evidence to take him to court.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by Renz


As for his denying that he knew the girl at first, if he did, how many of us would openly admit we cheated on our wife in front of the whole world?

But when you are charged with something like this, is it better to look like a liar or look like an adulterer?

 

[Freddie]

When did he say he never knew her? I'd like to see a link. The only thing I remember him saying is that he'd never do something like that.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by Freddie
When did he say he never knew her? I'd like to see a link. The only thing I remember him saying is that he'd never do something like that.

He said it in the very beginning of this situation.

 

[Freddie]

Wasn't yesterday the first time he released a statement?]

EDIT: I think he said he was innocent at the espys. I am pretty sure that was the only time he spoke about it before yesterday's press conference.

 

[SirStefan32]

Kobe will not be convicted.
This is going to come down to the issue of credibility. It's a simple he said- she said case. Whoever is more credible is going to win the case.

Kobe has as much credibility as anybody.
I think the girl is nothing but a teenage ***** who is trying to get some money. Kobe's defense team will rip her appart, shatter her credibility, and show the whole world that she is just another **** looking for money/ publicity.

Commiting adultry was a mistake on Kobe's part, and I am sad and dissapointed to find out that one of the nicest people in the league cheated on his wife.
Having said that, we are all human we all sin, and I hope Kobe and Mrs. Bryant can work things out, and put this behind them.

Stefan

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by SirStefan32
Kobe will not be convicted.
This is going to come down to the issue of credibility. It's a simple he said- she said case. Whoever is more credible is going to win the case.

Kobe has as much credibility as anybody.
I think the girl is nothing but a teenage ***** who is trying to get some money. Kobe's defense team will rip her appart, shatter her credibility, and show the whole world that she is just another **** looking for money/ publicity.

Commiting adultry was a mistake on Kobe's part, and I am sad and dissapointed to find out that one of the nicest people in the league cheated on his wife.
Having said that, we are all human we all sin, and I hope Kobe and Mrs. Bryant can work things out, and put this behind them.

Stefan

This isn't just a "he-said, she-said". There is physical evidence, and Kobe has already lied.

I love how you are so quick to condemn the victim, and you call her a *****. That's pretty messed up.

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by SirStefan32

Kobe has as much credibility as anybody.
I think the girl is nothing but a teenage ***** who is trying to get some money. Kobe's defense team will rip her appart, shatter her credibility, and show the whole world that she is just another **** looking for money/ publicity.

Stefan

There is ZERO evidence of this one way or the other, so your rush to judgement doesn't seem credible. It may be true (without the vulgarities, of course), but then again, don't buy into the media's portrayal of Kobe as an angel until after the evidence is presented.

Yes, innocent until proven guilty, but the fact that it remains to be seen whether he can be proven guilty pretty much reserves the right to hold your opinion until there's some basis for it, pro or con. Otherwise, you just sound naive and unintelligent (of which we all know you are not, SS ).

 

[Freddie]

He had intercourse, so obviously there will be physical evidence.

The one thing I have not heard about is her being bruised, scratched, etc. If she was, don't you think it would have been leaked out to the media?

Kobe kept quiet throughout the whole process up until charges were filed. I still don't know how you come to the conclusion that he lied.

 

[SirStefan32]

Yes, there is evidence that they had sex. Nobody disputes that.
If they had any evidence for the rape, they would have charged him long time ago.

I stand by my statement that she is a *****, and Bryant's attorney will prove it. You can roll your eyes all you want, but the fact is that she is nothing but a ***** and the trial will prove that.

Stefan

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by SirStefan32
Yes, there is evidence that they had sex. Nobody disputes that.
If they had any evidence for the rape, they would have charged him long time ago.

I stand by my statement that she is a *****, and Bryant's attorney will prove it. You can roll your eyes all you want, but the fact is that she is nothing but a ***** and the trial will prove that.

Stefan

I'm sorry, but this is ridiculous. You have NO proof other than what the media has fed you over the years. And that's just naive and irresponsible.

Jason Kidd was a media darling until he hit his wife--where were you on his side when that happened?

 

[SirStefan32]

Originally posted by Chaplin
There is ZERO evidence of this one way or the other, so your rush to judgement doesn't seem credible. It may be true (without the vulgarities, of course), but then again, don't buy into the media's portrayal of Kobe as an angel until after the evidence is presented.

Yes, innocent until proven guilty, but the fact that it remains to be seen whether he can be proven guilty pretty much reserves the right to hold your opinion until there's some basis for it, pro or con. Otherwise, you just sound naive and unintelligent (of which we all know you are not, SS ).

Chap, I don't know Kobe and I don't claim to know his at all, but just look at the situation- a 19 year old chick in Colorado claims that Bryant forced her to have sex? That is riddicilous. I am sorry but Kobe does not have to force anybody to anything.

 

[SirStefan32]

Originally posted by Chaplin

Jason Kidd was a media darling until he hit his wife--where were you on his side when that happened?

First of all, Jason Kidd is still a media darling even after hitting his wife.

Also, there was hard evidence that he did what he was accused of, and it was his wife, not some 19 year old chick looking for money, fame and publicity.

Just watch the Defense Attorneys rip her appart. I can hardly wait.

 

[Freddie]

She tried out for American Idol....
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/sports/2326266/detail.html

The cops have been to her house twice in the past year...
http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/457.htm

Several of her friends said she was aggressive around celebs..
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/story/101267p-91683c.html

Stefan, I agree with you. I think she's after money and fame.

 

[Krangodnzr]

This is sickening.

So she is a *****, and Kobe is a saint.

Kobe doesn't have to force anyone to have sex....that shows a total misunderstanding of reality. Men that "don't have to force someone to have sex" rape women all the time.

I can't wait until the girl gets her day in court. I expect Stefan to eat a serious helping of crow if Kobe is convicted.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by Freddie
She tried out for American Idol....
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/sports/2326266/detail.html

According to the Denver Post, a guest staying near Byrant's room called the front desk to complain of a late-night ruckus on June 30. Hotel staff members were called in to look into the matter.

Hmmm....late night ruckus? Could that be a rape?

The cops have been to her house twice in the past year...
http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/457.htm

"I don't think she would make it up," Matt Herr told The Post, referring to rumors the woman lied to police when she claimed the L.A. Laker basketball star sexually attacked her on June 30 at a hotel.

Herr denied reports in a local newspaper that the 19-year-old blonde had a breakdown after they broke up last year.

"All the people who say they are her friends . . . they're saying things that are not true," he said.

Meanwhile, Eagle Town Manager William Powell told The Post that, over the past year, police responded to the teenager's home twice.


What does that prove? The cops could've been to her house twice for disturbing the peace when she had a pool party.



Several of her friends said she was aggressive around celebs..
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/story/101267p-91683c.html

She claimed Bryant, who was freed on $25,000 bond after his July 4 arrest, attacked her when she went to his room.

Which is consistent with the "ruckus" that was heard by guests.

 

[SirStefan32]

Originally posted by Freddie
She tried out for American Idol....
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/sports/2326266/detail.html

The cops have been to her house twice in the past year...
http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/457.htm

Several of her friends said she was aggressive around celebs..
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/story/101267p-91683c.html

Stefan, I agree with you. I think she's after money and fame.

Thank you Freddie,

I kind of feel sorry for her- she is going to get demolished by the defense attorneys. I am telling you man, they are going to go after her like a horde of hungry wolves.

Krang, who said Kobe was a saint? Read my first post in this thread and you will see that I said I was sad and dissapointed that one of the nice guys in the NBA has commited such a terrible sin- cheating on his wife. I never said Kobe was a saint, but if you compare him to that 19 year old chick, I guess he would be.

Stefan