Buyout Candidates

[JCSunsfan]

So Jae Crowder was so upset the Suns resigned Ayton he refused to play

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Have no idea. Wild speculation on my part. Probably shouldnt have said it.

 

[AzStevenCal]

But the stats say his hands are actually really good. Big men don’t have good hands. He only averages 1.9 turnovers a game. It’s part of the unrealistic expectations of him.

His effort can be 100% questioned at times but those games are getting fewer and far between.

I've been complaining about his inconsistent hands since college. It really isn't "unrealistic expectations". Sometimes he has great hands, sometimes he doesn't. I've always thought it was focus related but who knows. But I'm not just talking about losing passes (or losing out of rebounds).

Most of the time when his hands are "off" he doesn't actually turn the ball over, he just fumbles it, re-gathers it and then passes it out because the delay has allowed the defense to collapse on him. Which then often leads to a rushed shot because we're late in the clock by now. It's been less of a problem over the past few weeks but it never seems to go away for good.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Sure he does. When he's fumbling entry passes and getting manhandled by whoever, that's his way of saying "if you want to win, go to someone else".

We are at our best when DA is aggressive, getting lift on his shots and fighting for position and rebounds. We are at our worst when he's not being aggressive and not getting lift on his shots and not fighting for position and rebounds and we still try to feed him.

I see it as a combination of all of it. Guards have to feed big men to keep them feeling engaged (usually), but big men have to show they are engaged to get guards to feed them.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I see it as a combination of all of it. Guards have to feed big men to keep them feeling engaged (usually), but big men have to show they are engaged to get guards to feed them.

It's a combination of all of it but only to the extent that it's an issue with pretty much every big man that's ever lived. Ayton goes way beyond that though.

 

[PHI PHX PHAN]

Welcome to the Suns forum. It's good to hear some diversity of opinion.

Thank you! I've lurked for a few years now and enjoy the discussions and info.

 

[PHI PHX PHAN]

Sure he does. When he's fumbling entry passes and getting manhandled by whoever, that's his way of saying "if you want to win, go to someone else".

We are at our best when DA is aggressive, getting lift on his shots and fighting for position and rebounds. We are at our worst when he's not being aggressive and not getting lift on his shots and not fighting for position and rebounds and we still try to feed him.

I've watched plenty of games where he is overlooked in the lane or bypassed in offensive sets simply because he wasn't the guy given the ball, not necessarily due to his aggression level. Usually when he gets an ample amount of attempts he is productive. Even when he doesn't get the attempts he is extremely efficient.
That's why I don't understand why a guy who is basically 60% or better from the field doesn't get 20 shots a game.

 

[Hoop Head]

I've watched plenty of games where he is overlooked in the lane or bypassed in offensive sets simply because he wasn't the guy given the ball, not necessarily due to his aggression level. Usually when he gets an ample amount of attempts he is productive. Even when he doesn't get the attempts he is extremely efficient.
That's why I don't understand why a guy who is basically 60% or better from the field doesn't get 20 shots a game.

He also chooses to pass out regularly, even when he has a clear size advantage over his man. He doesn't know how to properly use his size and get easy buckets. Before he gets the ball he knows what he's going to do. He's not someone who can create for himself, at all. That's all a major reason why he's a #3 or bail out option. He needs spoonfed when he's not being aggressive and looking to score.

And welcome, good to see fresh POV's.

 

[PHI PHX PHAN]

He also chooses to pass out regularly, even when he has a clear size advantage over his man. He doesn't know how to properly use his size and get easy buckets. Before he gets the ball he knows what he's going to do. He's not someone who can create for himself, at all. That's all a major reason why he's a #3 or bail out option. He needs spoonfed when he's not being aggressive and looking to score.

And welcome, good to see fresh POV's.

Fair assessment. I think he settled into that type of game due to the pick and roll offense they primarily deploy (especially once CP3 arrived). I think he already has a more well rounded game aside from that.
Essentially he will benefit the same way a Bridges has by being bumped up the option list definitively to me.
Thanks for the welcome.
It's actually cool to engage with the names and perspectives I've observed.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Thank you! I've lurked for a few years now and enjoy the discussions and info.

I live in PA also. There are a few of us..... Welcome officially to the board.

 

[Mainstreet]

Thank you! I've lurked for a few years now and enjoy the discussions and info.

I'm glad you have been lurking so you know our quirks and intricacies. Sometimes we take ourselves much too seriously.

It's still one of the best sources for informed sports discussion around.

 

[PHI PHX PHAN]

I live in PA also. There are a few of us..... Welcome officially to the board.

Much appreciated. Barkley was my favorite and once he got traded I followed him and been a fan since

 

[PHI PHX PHAN]

I'm glad you have been lurking so you know are quirks and intricacies. Sometimes we take ourselves much too seriously.

It's still one of the best sources for informed sports discussion around.

Absolutely. There's a ton of screen names that are familiar (including yours). I can't necessarily recall everyone's takes but I've definitely been tuned in and enjoyed

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Rumor is it’s Monty and Paul Crowder was fed up with.

The Ayton hate here is ridiculous

Yeah how Ayton became “why jae isn’t here” is weird take.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I've been complaining about his inconsistent hands since college. It really isn't "unrealistic expectations". Sometimes he has great hands, sometimes he doesn't. I've always thought it was focus related but who knows. But I'm not just talking about losing passes (or losing out of rebounds).

Most of the time when his hands are "off" he doesn't actually turn the ball over, he just fumbles it, re-gathers it and then passes it out because the delay has allowed the defense to collapse on him. Which then often leads to a rushed shot because we're late in the clock by now. It's been less of a problem over the past few weeks but it never seems to go away for good.

Correct. And typically if he loses the ball on a pass to the post it is due to his hands or bc he didn’t effectively seal his defender he doesn’t get the turnover the teammate passing him the ball does, but it was due to Ayton’s failure (not all the time - bridges was notorious for being lousy with his feeds to the post).

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Devin Booker just averages 20 shots a game as the primary scoring options. 20 shots is hard to get in Monty's offense.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I've watched plenty of games where he is overlooked in the lane or bypassed in offensive sets simply because he wasn't the guy given the ball, not necessarily due to his aggression level. Usually when he gets an ample amount of attempts he is productive. Even when he doesn't get the attempts he is extremely efficient.
That's why I don't understand why a guy who is basically 60% or better from the field doesn't get 20 shots a game.

At this point it’s partially a monty issue that Ayton doesn’t get fed when he’s on and aggressive for sure.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I thought it was pretty well documented that Jae didn't want to become a 6th man in a contract year. Not sure where resigning Ayton had anything to do with his decision.

That's what we all believed over the summer but there have been reports since then that suggest there was a clash between Monty and Jae. But no one really knows.

 

[Germz249]

The Heat are the leaders to sign Kevin Love.

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I heard on the radio.. might have been Gambo that said something about Love not being able to sign with a team in the east.

 

[Mainstreet]

I heard on the radio.. might have been Gambo that said something about Love not being able to sign with a team in the east.

I heard something similar but can the Cavaliers really control where Love goes once he is bought out?

 

[Chaplin]

I heard something similar but can the Cavaliers really control where Love goes once he is bought out?

The buy-out is a contract itself -- they can put stuff into it (similar to an NDA being put into seperation papers upon termination). If Love agrees to it and it's in the closing contract, then yeah they can control it. They're paying him a ton of money in the buy out after all.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I heard on the radio.. might have been Gambo that said something about Love not being able to sign with a team in the east.

Maybe that has something to do with the report (rumor) that Miami might have tampered leading to Love's request to be bought out.

 

[Mainstreet]

Although the Suns have benefited from buyouts, it still feels like the NBA should put restrictions on it because teams can get an unfair advantage from it.

 

[Germz249]

Although the Suns have benefited from buyouts, it still feels like the NBA should put restrictions on it because teams can get an unfair advantage from it.

I would agree years ago but screw that mess. Tired of seeing the rich get richer. Its nice now that we able to attract stars and buyout guys.

 

[Carolinacacti]

I've watched plenty of games where he is overlooked in the lane or bypassed in offensive sets simply because he wasn't the guy given the ball, not necessarily due to his aggression level. Usually when he gets an ample amount of attempts he is productive. Even when he doesn't get the attempts he is extremely efficient.
That's why I don't understand why a guy who is basically 60% or better from the field doesn't get 20 shots a game.

The league shoots 50 percent three pointers now. If he can get that 3 point shot down look out.
Ouchie-Z-Clown loves it when Ayton shoots threes

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

The league shoots 50 percent three pointers now. If he can get that 3 point shot down look out.
Ouchie-Z-Clown loves it when Ayton shoots threes

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