As we see here everyday, people can easily make many bad arguments. Ayton = Vucevic is one of them.
Seems like you're missing some color to this one as well...maybe you forget the lineups that were out there? It's not like Book was the only one missing.
I’m not missing anything. You’re talking about impact on winning. That was a PRIME TIME for Ayton to prove his stats have an impact on winning. Not only didn’t they do that, the team was ABYSMAL. He’s a number 1 pick, MAX player who had Bridges next to him and those guys both failed MISERABLY.
Who cares? Are you really trying to say we're a better team with Ayton?
I’m trying to show that Ayton’s impact on winning isn’t a slam dunk argument. He sure as hell made NO impact as a number 1 pick where somehow we lost MORE games with him the next season than we did the last despite his 18/11.
And we’ve seen over the years that the team consistently wins without him. He has played the last two season with 2 all-nba players and a deep team around him. At his PEAK, he absolutely makes a bigger impact in winning, but again his peak happens too few and far between to depend on.
No, he's not. Sabonis is a nice scorer and rebounder. To say he's vastly superior from an offensive standpoint is ridiculous.
This is ASSININE. Sabonis also averages
7 ASSISTS to Ayton’s 1.5.
So he’s a better scorer and VASTLY superior creator. One of the best big men in the league at doing so.
Ayton asleep in bed is a better defender than Sabonis. Sabonis is all numbers, no filler.
Unfortunately, Ayton seems asleep in his bed 40% of the time. And again, I have Ayton the edge here.
You also conveniently ignore the fact that Ayton has actually proven himself in the playoffs. I tried finding Sabonis playoff stats but came up empty...
I don’t ignore that. Ayton had one really good post-season… which in the grand scheme of things wasn’t even that impressive averaging 16/12 while playing good consistent defense. The reason everyone was so wowed by Ayton during that stretch was because he was actually consistent for a full month before he crapped the bed in the Finals.
And then got ABUSED against Dallas, a total liability on defense when they spread us out and was so pathetic that his ass was BENCHED in a Game 7.
Again, Sabonis hasn’t been surrounded by All-World talent, but what he’s done this season has shown he can play at a high level and take a previously bad team and lift them into the playoff picture. You conveniently ignore Ayton’s never done anything like that, while dismissing how much he utterly failed to raise the level of this team during that 5-17 stretch.
Reality is you consistently rate Ayton by his ceiling. Unfortunately he only reaches that at best 60% of the year.
Do I think Sabonis is MUCH better than Ayton? No. But it’s definitely an argument simply because of how much mediocre-bad Ayton shows up on the court.