Calling Amare out

[AceP]

No, I am NOT kidding. I'm very serious about this one.

Tyrus Thomas and Noah r both top draft picks with a lot of upside, they have star potential. They probably won't become a 20-10 guy, but they r pretty close to be Okafor/Camby type in a year or 2. And they r under rookie contracts, what's the risk to try them?

Most importantly for us, for this season, they r ready to contribute. They r both aggressive, hard-nosed, energized, hustle, get a lot of rebounds, blocks and steals in limited and inconsistent minutes off-bench, while there is not even a true center in that Bulls. Starting alongside Shaq as full time PF, I'll bet on them to reach 12+8.

By the way, I'd rather take Noah for his 6-11 size, but Tyrus Thomas is more experienced, more ready.

Hinrich is still an excellent PG, he had a bad season last year but will definitely bounce back. His contract is also very reasonable, decreases over next 4 years, 10M for now, end as 8M. Think about the season after next! Dragic is the only other PG we have got.

 

[Folster]

I am extremely impressed by Amar'e's "gorilla game." (His name looks ******** in the possessive form since he changed the spelling).

A few of you might remember Stan Van Gundy publicly calling out Dwight Howard last year for loafing. Porter needs to do it to Amare. The only problem is that it should have happened years ago under D'Antoni. Amare has a sense of entitlement that he has probably had his entire life. Anyone remember when D'Antoni gave Amare his starting job back early in the season that he came back from microfracture even though he had not earned it?

Amar'e, I no longer will refer to you as STAT.

 

[binkar]

I hate Amare and want him gone.

 

[TucsonDevil]

Amare should do us all the favor and put on his old number... the next time I hear talk regarding the "Amare Brand", I am going to puke!

 

[Covert Rain]

Because Bosh is flat out better than Stoudemire, Nash is old, and Calderon is one of the best up-and-coming point guards in the league. No way would Toronto ever make that trade.

If this trade was realistic I pull it in a second.

 

[Andrew]

He sucked so much hard tonight

 

[Blackification]

So about that Pistons trade for Rasheed and Hamilton..

 

[SirStefan32]

So about that Pistons trade for Rasheed and Hamilton..

Kerr: You guys want Amare+somebody else for Sheed and Rip?
Pistons:

 

[AceP]

Amare for Hamilton and Sheed is good for now, but bad for future. But for current situation, I might take any deal.

Salary doesn't match, Hamilton + Sheed is over 23M, Amare only 15M. Barbosa must be included to make it work. They have trouble to manage 3 starters, Hamilton, AI, and Stuckey, while Barbosa is a perfect 6th man type, so I guess there is a good chance they accept it.

Let's hope such a deal to be done as soon as possible so we still have time to develop chemistry b4 playoff.

 

[jagu]

All the Amare defenders may have gone back in the closet now. I told you I love Amare's ability as a player but the fact is we will NEVER win a championship with Amare on this team. So unless you don't mind championship less Phoenix, keep Amare. If you do want to end this streak of falling short and losing games because there are players on this team who lack the heart then moving him is ideal.

Trade Amare, lets move on in a different direction.

 

[Covert Rain]

You know what is funny is that teams late last year started to learn how to defend the Suns pick and roll. This year teams are flat out stopping the pick and roll. I find a direct correlation with Amare's inability to play consistantly against good defensive teams and the good defense against the pick and roll.

Your basically eliminating Amare's bread and butter. If Amare is not hitting his jumper he has nothing else. Amare MUST hit his jumper to be effective anymore. He has no post up moves and teams have figured out the pick and roll.

I am 100% against just giving up Amare for crap or someone who will make us worse (a la Dirk no clutch). However, I am now firmly in the trade Amare camp.

 

[Bayless2Budinger]

All the Amare defenders may have gone back in the closet now. I told you I love Amare's ability as a player but the fact is we will NEVER win a championship with Amare on this team. So unless you don't mind championship less Phoenix, keep Amare. If you do want to end this streak of falling short and losing games because there are players on this team who lack the heart then moving him is ideal.

Trade Amare, lets move on in a different direction.

Yes. Lets move in the direction of losing more. If we trade Amare, that is what we are going to do. If this organization was smart, they would fire Porter and trade off Shaq and Nash asap. But this is a joke of a organization and we will continue to use Amare as a role player instead of using him as a focal pt. Like I have said many times. This team struggles when Shaq is the focal pt. This team needs Amare to open up the floor. Shaq needs to be in the situation he was in last year for us to win.

I do hope we trade Amare though. It sucks to see us lose while underutilizing him. I would feel a lot better if we were just losing while watching him beast on another team.

Sarver and Kerr dug there own grave and now everything is coming to a head. Cant wait to see whats next.

 

[Bayless2Budinger]

You know what is funny is that teams late last year started to learn how to defend the Suns pick and roll. This year teams are flat out stopping the pick and roll. I find a direct correlation with Amare's inability to play consistantly against good defensive teams and the good defense against the pick and roll.

Your basically eliminating Amare's bread and butter. If Amare is not hitting his jumper he has nothing else. Amare MUST hit his jumper to be effective anymore. He has no post up moves and teams have figured out the pick and roll.

I am 100% against just giving up Amare for crap or someone who will make us worse (a la Dirk no clutch). However, I am now firmly in the trade Amare camp.

The only team to stop the pick and roll was Denver and if our shooters would have hit wide open shots, we would have killed them.

The pick and roll still works when run right. Look at it this year compared to in years past. The spacing and the spot of the floor we run it on is horrible.

 

[elindholm]

Like I have said many times. This team struggles when Shaq is the focal pt. This team needs Amare to open up the floor.

You've said it many times, and it gets more ridiculous each time. The Suns went to Stoudemire abundantly this game. He either committed an offensive foul, got the ball stripped, or threw up a brick. He was shut down by Brian Scalabrine, of all people. If a player wants to be the focal point of the offense, he has to be able to deliver when given the chance.

 

[AceP]

For God's sake, I don't see any reason for a 6-10 NBA player to grab only 1 rebound. NO REASON AT ALL.

 

[Blackification]

For God's sake, I don't see any reason for a 6-10 NBA player to grab only 1 rebound. NO REASON AT ALL.

You forced him to bring his Guerrilla game.

 

[dodie53]

is there any chance nash and/or amare gets included in the west all stars?

 

[Bayless2Budinger]

You've said it many times, and it gets more ridiculous each time. The Suns went to Stoudemire abundantly this game. He either committed an offensive foul, got the ball stripped, or threw up a brick. He was shut down by Brian Scalabrine, of all people. If a player wants to be the focal point of the offense, he has to be able to deliver when given the chance.

We didnt look for Amare until 3-4 min into the game. Yes he was struggling with his shots, but keep going to him. Both offensive fouls were BS anyways. We continue to give himthe ball sporidiclly.(sp?) This team has no direction and it shows throughout the game.

Ah Im done talking bout it. This team has me depressed.

 

[Blackification]

http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/01/19/nba_story.aldridge20090119/index.html

here comes the trade!!

 

[Covert Rain]

The only team to stop the pick and roll was Denver and if our shooters would have hit wide open shots, we would have killed them.

The pick and roll still works when run right. Look at it this year compared to in years past. The spacing and the spot of the floor we run it on is horrible.

Not true. Teams were stopping the pick and roll left and right. Lakers, Denver, Hornets and the Spurs. In the playoffs the pick and roll was stopped cold.

Now this year, we have the teams trapping Amare at the top of the key as soon as Nash drives. Amare is forced to take a jumper or pass out of it. Teams have figured it out.

 

[Blackification]

Not true. Teams were stopping the pick and roll left and right. Lakers, Denver, Hornets and the Spurs. In the playoffs the pick and roll was stopped cold.

Now this year, we have the teams trapping Amare at the top of the key as soon as Nash drives. Amare is forced to take a jumper or pass out of it. Teams have figured it out.

every team except for porter :/. Just wait when we get to New York and D'antoni shuts it down.

 

[dodie53]

shaq for iverson!

so the suns can run, run, run again!

haha!

 

[LV-Suns]

shaq for iverson!

so the suns can run, run, run again!

haha!

NO

 

[jagu]

You've said it many times, and it gets more ridiculous each time. The Suns went to Stoudemire abundantly this game. He either committed an offensive foul, got the ball stripped, or threw up a brick. He was shut down by Brian Scalabrine, of all people. If a player wants to be the focal point of the offense, he has to be able to deliver when given the chance.

Exactly. Amare has become a shell of his former self. He needs to go home put on the Amare's greatest hits dvd and see what he has become now. It's not Shaq. Amare was a beast last year once Shaq came over. 3 points on Brian Scalabrine! LOL. No Amare defender can defend that, none. Hell with the points, 1 rebound? Even the guy who comes out two clean the sweat off the floor can get more rebounds than that. The pick and roll is soft because Amare rather prefers taking the 15 footer. It's not as deadly now because Amare can't roll down the lane and dunk it. He either needs a clear path for a dunk or he will just be confused. That's exactly what happened when he ran into Duncan for an offensive foul instead of just dropping it in.

Shaq is 100 times better than Amare this year. It's not even close. If you watch the games its blatantly obvious.

 

[dodie53]

can the suns trade amare to the clips for camby and filler?