Calling Amare out

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

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[AceP]

Amare for Camby straight up is too unfair for us, Amare is overall better than Camby and much younger.

I would ask for Al Thronton, but the Clippers probably won't accept. Maybe Camby + Jason Hart + their first round pick of this summer. That should be a fair deal for both teams.

 

[dodie53]

i read on another forum,
someone posted there that apparently,
the pistons are thinking of trading sheed and rip for amare.

imo,
not bad.

 

[AceP]

We can start Hamilton and J.Rich together, let Hill, Barnes backup. That's no problem

But if it happens, we must trade Barbosa at once for a quality backup PG, such as Watson?

 

[Ollie]

In retrospect, and since a lot of Suns fans are (still?) enamored with JRich, a trade of Amare and Singletary for JRich, DJ Augustin and a swap of picks would have probably been way better (if the Cats accepted that package, which is doubtful), especially if Kerr made a second move with another team to get rid of an extra guard or two and bring a decent big.

 

[DeAnna]

The sad part is that this thread is over a year old and it's still relevant. sigh.

I thought Shaq was supposed to make Amare better?

Oh, and bayless2 is still delusional

 

[Covert Rain]

Amare for Camby straight up is too unfair for us, Amare is overall better than Camby and much younger.

Actually I would take that deal in a heartbeat except that Camby can't guard most PF in this leauge IMO. They are too fast. Camby is better suited for the Center position. Would love to someone get him as a back up to Shaq.

We can start Hamilton and J.Rich together, let Hill, Barnes backup. That's no problem

But if it happens, we must trade Barbosa at once for a quality backup PG, such as Watson?

I don't think you can keep Hamilton, Hill and Barnes. If you get Hamilton, Barnes or Hill would have to go.

Also, Barbosa is playing reall well from the Point this year.

 

[PDR]

ya know if ya ask me i would like to keep amare around, once shaq,nash hill, leave, its kinda he and jrichs team, i think he would be amazing. Right now he has to share the offense. Ya know every other team would love to have amare and probably say the same about their players we want as we say about him. confusing post i know.

 

[Blackification]

ya know if ya ask me i would like to keep amare around, once shaq,nash hill, leave, its kinda he and jrichs team, i think he would be amazing. Right now he has to share the offense. Ya know every other team would love to have amre and probably same what we say about him, aout there players we want. confusing post i know.

Yea right, he is not staying as long as Porter is still around in 2010. He can go somewhere else and get his own team.

 

[The Commish]

I can guarantee one thing: if we trade Amare it will be to the Eastern Conference.

 

[Blackification]

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/2009/01/20/20090120spt-suns.html

Did they just call him out too? Because they sure as hell just joined the blame Amare bandwagon.

 

[Mainstreet]

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/2009/01/20/20090120spt-suns.html

Did they just call him out too? Because they sure as hell just joined the blame Amare bandwagon.

Reads like it to me. I wonder if Amare has approached the Suns with any trade ideas.

 

[Blackification]

Reads like it to me. I wonder if Amare has approached the Suns with any trade ideas.

I doubt he would go up to them with some. Other players might have, Kerr has some ideas for sure the article wouldn't bother posting this stuff unless they were trying to trade him again. Seems to me like they tried to trade him before the J-rich trade but didn't get what they wanted so they traded for J-rich and Amar'e was motivated to play and was doing good until he got into the foul trouble situation and fell into another slump and Porter couldn't get him out of it because well he is a poopy coach so now it looks like Kerr will just give up on him too since they already gave him a shot and Shaq is playing like he is.

When Amare got into the second slump Shaq was able to fully take over and now Amare can't back into this rhythm and now that Shaq has taken his place somewhat Porter turned him into sort of a role player (his lack of effort helped this too), now they can just trade Amar'e for a pick and some real role players who will give an effort and play defense and help glue the team together more.

At the same time Amare gets what his game shows he wants, an early exit from Phoenix.

 

[AceP]

Early reports said Amare complained about shots. But stats shown he got 13.7 per game in Jan, it was 13.1 in Nov and 15 in Dec. I dont see significance here to complain about.

Maybe he is just unhappy about Porter's tactics, then it is a very complicated chemistry issue...

 

[Mainstreet]

I doubt he would go up to them with some. Other players might have, Kerr has some ideas for sure the article wouldn't bother posting this stuff unless they were trying to trade him again. Seems to me like they tried to trade him before the J-rich trade but didn't get what they wanted so they traded for J-rich and Amar'e was motivated to play and was doing good until he got into the foul trouble situation and fell into another slump and Porter couldn't get him out of it because well he is a poopy coach so now it looks like Kerr will just give up on him too since they already gave him a shot and Shaq is playing like he is.

When Amare got into the second slump Shaq was able to fully take over and now Amare can't back into this rhythm and now that Shaq has taken his place somewhat Porter turned him into sort of a role player (his lack of effort helped this too), now they can just trade Amar'e for a pick and some real role players who will give an effort and play defense and help glue the team together more.

At the same time Amare gets what his game shows he wants, an early exit from Phoenix.

Amare wasn't even playing the year the Suns reached the WCF's with Dallas. If Diaw can carry the Suns into that situation there must be other players that can fill Amare's role. And now the Suns have Shaq at center.

 

[Blackification]

Amare wasn't even playing the year the Suns reached the WCF's with Dallas. If Diaw can carry the Suns into that situation there must be other players that can fill Amare's role. And now the Suns have Shaq at center.

Yup the type of talent he brings isn't needed on this Suns team anymore, he is very talented just not right for this teams direction. However, you have to look at what this will do to Nash. I have a feeling Nash won't be too happy about Amare leaving especially if Barbosa goes with him.

 

[Mainstreet]

Yup the type of talent he brings isn't needed on this Suns team anymore, he is very talented just not right for this teams direction. However, you have to look at what this will do to Nash. I have a feeling Nash won't be too happy about Amare leaving especially if Barbosa goes with him.

I don't see any love loss with Nash and Amare. Now LB is another matter.

 

[Blackification]

I don't see any love loss with Nash and Amare. Now LB is another matter.

You never know.. I never expected Nash to react the way he did when Bell was traded. But yea Barbosa leaving would not make Nash happy but I don't see why they would trade Barbosa if they are trading Amare.

 

[Mainstreet]

You never know.. I never expected Nash to react the way he did when Bell was traded. But yea Barbosa leaving would not make Nash happy but I don't see why they would trade Barbosa if they are trading Amare.

I mentioned LB only because you did.

 

[AceP]

It would be very stupid to trade Barbosa now. He is playing great recently, he is willing to change himself for the team. His defence has had some solid improvement.

If we pull the trigger, it got to be either Amare or Nash, or, trade both Nash and Shaq, give up this season and start a total rebuild

 

[Cheesebeef]

Amare wasn't even playing the year the Suns reached the WCF's with Dallas. If Diaw can carry the Suns into that situation there must be other players that can fill Amare's role. And now the Suns have Shaq at center.

Diaw "carried" the Suns BARELY past a 45 win pathetic Laker team and BARELY past a somewhat less pathetic 46 win Clipper team. The only reason they got to the WCF was because of a seeding glitch that allowed them not to get the ass-kicking they would have gotten from SA... again.

that being said, Amare has turned into a complete joke.

 

[Mainstreet]

It would be very stupid to trade Barbosa now. He is playing great recently, he is willing to change himself for the team. His defence has had some solid improvement.

If we pull the trigger, it got to be either Amare or Nash, or, trade both Nash and Shaq, give up this season and start a total rebuild

If the Suns could get a fair trade for Amare I would be happy. It might be the only trade necessary if the Suns get the right parts (a solid PG and a big man). Then let Shaq's and Nash's contract expire. As I see it, Amare is not the player keeping the Suns in the playoff picture anyway. Shaq is the man.

 

[Mainstreet]

Diaw "carried" the Suns BARELY past a 45 win pathetic Laker team and BARELY past a somewhat less pathetic 46 win Clipper team. The only reason they got to the WCF was because of a seeding glitch that allowed them not to get the ass-kicking they would have gotten from SA... again.

that being said, Amare has turned into a complete joke.

It's not how you get there but if you get there. Didn't Raja go down to injury in that series with Dallas?

 

[Cheesebeef]

It's not how you get there but if you get there.

that's a load of crap... especially since we didn't even win in the one series we played someone who was half decent. They got to that point due to a scheduling quirk. It wasn't indicative of how good they were as a team and to argue otherwise is like saying the Suns were better than the Spurs in the 2000 series regardless of whether or not Duncan missed the entire series.

Didn't Raja go down to injury in that series with Dallas?

yeah, late in Game 1 (in which Howard went out in the first quarter) when we were down big. And then he came back in Game 4.

 

[nashman]

Point is Amare is not needed on this team anymore! He seems to be regressing and becoming LESS of a player than in previous years. How could a guy who claims to want to be the best PF ever be such a whiny loafer and continue to get worse on defense? I mean Nash looks like an all pro defender compared to Stat, thats rediculous, oh and he can't rebound either! Well at least we know we should NOT build a team of the future around Amare as he is not the superstar he believes himself to be!