Cam Newton Bad Teammate; Not Respected in Locker Room

[Shane]

and if not for Cam, that team would be done. The O and D are equally dependent on each other.

Don't buy it... His stats speak volumes... I liken him to Michael Vick back in his prime..A phenomenal athlete but not a phenomenal QB

 

[Cheesebeef]

Don't buy it... His stats speak volumes... I liken him to Michael Vick back in his prime..A phenomenal athlete but not a phenomenal QB

that's ridiculous. you take him off that team, and put a "bad" QB in there and they probably have 3 wins at most. Stewart is dog-crap at RB and his WRs are atrocious. The guy is a one man offense, doing whatever he needs to do to move chains, averaging 28 ppg. That's the QB's job, right? To lead the offense to points? Well, he's definitely not a phenomenal passer... that I'll give you. But he's a pretty damn good QB this year.

 

[Buckybird]

Don't buy it... His stats speak volumes... I liken him to Michael Vick back in his prime..A phenomenal athlete but not a phenomenal QB

Exactly what I called him last week

 

[Finito]

Who exactly does Cam have to work with in that offense? NOBODY. Olsen is nice but that's really the only guy I can even think of.

His first down stuff reminds me of another guy who likes to stick out his chest and go a little overboard when he makes a play they call him The Honey Badger.

Huge Cam fan and I was wrong about him

 

[Buckybird]

that's ridiculous. you take him off that team, and put a "bad" QB in there and they probably have 3 wins at most. Stewart is dog-crap at RB and his WRs are atrocious. The guy is a one man offense, doing whatever he needs to do to move chains, averaging 28 ppg. That's the QB's job, right? To lead the offense to points? Well, he's definitely not a phenomenal passer... that I'll give you. But he's a pretty damn good QB this year.

It's the same exact team that struggled to win 7 last year. A few plays here & there & they're are 5-3, just like most other good teams. They aren't dominate by any means. Adversity will come at some point to them & every other team.

Scam is a good QB nothing more. Last time I checked their D is pretty good & Stewart is trash? Lol Scam ain't carrying that team & a 1 man crew I'm sorry.

The Cards can beat them, the Panthers are just the flavor of the week & it'll change...just like it has with GB...just like it did with Atlanta...just like it did will with others this year.

 

[Cheesebeef]

It's the same exact team that struggled to win 7 last year. A few plays here & there & they're are 5-3, just like most other good teams. They aren't dominate by any means. Adversity will come at some point to them & every other team.

Scam is a good QB nothing more. Last time I checked their D is pretty good & Stewart is trash? Lol Scam ain't carrying that team & a 1 man crew I'm sorry.

The Cards can beat them, the Panthers are just the flavor of the week & it'll change...just like it has with GB...just like it did with Atlanta...just like it did will with others this year.

Yes... Jonathan Stewart is trash. He's been in the league 8 years, rushed for 1000 yards ONCE, topped 800 two other times and is averaging 3.9 yards per carry. He's a guy. Nothing more, nothing less.

And no one said Cam's a one man team. He's a one man O. Everyone acknowledges their D is very good.

But keep laughing hysterically... At what I have no idea.

 

[Shane]

that's ridiculous. you take him off that team, and put a "bad" QB in there and they probably have 3 wins at most. Stewart is dog-crap at RB and his WRs are atrocious. The guy is a one man offense, doing whatever he needs to do to move chains, averaging 28 ppg. That's the QB's job, right? To lead the offense to points? Well, he's definitely not a phenomenal passer... that I'll give you. But he's a pretty damn good QB this year.

Come on cheese? The guys stats are equal to Colin freaking Kaepernick.... Do you consider him a great or even good QB?? I doubt it...

Listen Cam is good I do believe he is a "good QB" but he is hardly an MVP candidate imo like they were stating all over NFL radio earlier today...

I do believe you could put a mediocre QB on that team and they would still be winning games their D is that good.. Put A "Bad" QB? It's questionable bad QBs typically make every team they're on bad if playing.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Jonathon Stewart is in the top 10 in rushing yardage this year .

 

[Cheesebeef]

Come on cheese? The guys stats are equal to Colin freaking Kaepernick.... Do you consider him a great or even good QB?? I doubt it...

Listen Cam is good I do believe he is a "good QB" but he is hardly an MVP candidate imo like they were stating all over NFL radio earlier today...

I do believe you could put a mediocre QB on that team and they would still be winning games their D is that good.. Put A "Bad" QB? It's questionable bad QBs typically make every team they're on bad if playing.

You put a mediocre QB in there and you think they'd be undefeated? I'm guessing no. With a mediocre QB in there, I'd be surprised if they won 4 games with the paucity of talent on O. And they're a pretty good D, but that ain't an all-time or great D.

Bottom line for me... He's leading the team to 28 ppg, has played big in big games and has been making clutch plays all season. He could be a more accurate passer, but even playing the way he is, his impact is pretty huge considering the team is 8-0.

 

[GatorAZ]

Stewart is pretty mediocre. Only once has he been over 4 ypc the last 4 years. They probably regret letting Williams go after the year he's having in Pittsburg.

 

[Buckybird]

Yes... Jonathan Stewart is trash. He's been in the league 8 years, rushed for 1000 yards ONCE, topped 800 two other times and is averaging 3.9 yards per carry. He's a guy. Nothing more, nothing less.

And no one said Cam's a one man team. He's a one man O. Everyone acknowledges their D is very good.

But keep laughing hysterically... At what I have no idea.

So the Cards would be unstoppable with Scam at QB?

 

[Garthshort]

Bad in the locker room, but great on the field. JMO.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Why not? Their offense may not be all glits & glamour, but they get the job done because of Cam on that side. Their defense is really legit, too.

I wouldn't say we are just yet, & I'm a big Aaron Rodjuhssssss fan, but please do not say GB is either.

Even after the championship belt move he pulled on us in a meaningless game? I can't stand that dude and I hope somebody knocks the stupid smirk off his face. I loved it in the playoff game the next week when I think it was Gabe Watson who walked up to him and gave it back to him right after he fumbled and Los danced into the end zone for the win. That play happened right in front of us it was awesome to see the look on his face....:number1:

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Who said he wasn't respected in the locker room? Did i miss that argument?

Pretty sure it was just k9 being snarky.

The actual headline of the article he referenced is: Cam Newton Vs. The Packers Banner Has A Happy Ending

 

[82CardsGrad]

He still pouts & acts offended towards the media at certain questions when they lose, he did it last year.



I'm still not buying he's a stud or that Carolina is the best in the NFC.

Right... Because you see him as another Mike Vick, right?

 

[Shane]

Right... Because you see him as another Mike Vick, right?

I sure do

 

[82CardsGrad]

I sure do

As I've said, I don't see Newton as a perennial Pro Bowler or ever becoming one of the elite QB's. Time will tell the story though... The stats at this point certainly resemble Vick. However, IMHO, Newton has more of the intangibles and the "it" stuff than did Vick. Which means to me that Newton will produce more wins and drive more team success than did Vick.
We'll see...

 

[PDXChris]

As I've said, I don't see Newton as a perennial Pro Bowler or ever becoming one of the elite QB's. Time will tell the story though... The stats at this point certainly resemble Vick. However, IMHO, Newton has more of the intangibles and the "it" stuff than did Vick. Which means to me that Newton will produce more wins and drive more team success than did Vick.
We'll see...

It also helps that Cam is built like a LB, not a QB and can take the hits much more than Vick. Vick broke down quick and had to become more of a pocket passer.

 

[GatorAZ]

Cam is putting up the same numbers as Elway when he had limited weapons. He's not an MVP caliber player by any means but I'd put him between that 2nd and 3rd tier of current QB's. Borderline top 10.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

He's definitely one guy I was completely wrong about coming out of college. Would not have touched him given the situations he had in college but in hindsight a kid and his dad trying to get money in a recruitment doesn't necessarily mean he's going to be a problem in the NFL when he has LOTS of money.

+1

As he matures he becomes a more dangerous football player, not to mention what he does in the community..............long story short, right there with you being wrong about Newton.

I still think he is a better football player than QB, but he is a good enough QB to be undefeated, and win the NFL.

Happy to be wrong, and enjoy watching him play.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Cam is the best athlete at the position and a great leader. He is middle of the pack passer though, but with the right team around him can win.

I dont think this is the right team. Im praying they win the #1 seed if we dont. I dont want any part of going to Green Bay, Seattle and dont love going to NY, Philly, or Minny either mostly for weather reasons.

But Carolina? For the NFC Championship? I wont say its a guaranteed win but thats certainly the best case scenario for us if we are any seed but #1. Thats just common sense in my mind although sounds like some are buying in hard on these guys and they have been impressive. But i think we matchup well and would like revenge for last year.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Cam is the best athlete at the position and a great leader. He is middle of the pack passer though, but with the right team around him can win.

I dont think this is the right team. Im praying they win the #1 seed if we dont. I dont want any part of going to Green Bay, Seattle and dont love going to NY, Philly, or Minny either mostly for weather reasons.

But Carolina? For the NFC Championship? I wont say its a guaranteed win but thats certainly the best case scenario for us if we are any seed but #1. Thats just common sense in my mind although sounds like some are buying in hard on these guys and they have been impressive. But i think we matchup well and would like revenge for last year.

I think it's far from a guaranteed win, but I agree that having to go to Carolina seems like the path of least resistance if we play the NFC Title game on the road.

 

[kerouac9]

I think it's far from a guaranteed win, but I agree that having to go to Carolina seems like the path of least resistance if we play the NFC Title game on the road.

I dunno — Both St. Louis and Pittsburgh have solid pass rushes backed up by shaky secondaries. That's the defensive philosophy of the Panthers, only backed up by a better secondary and linebackers than either of those teams.

This is a rich-people's problem, honestly. Carolina's schedule is ridiculous the rest of the way. They could easily end up 14-2.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I dunno — Both St. Louis and Pittsburgh have solid pass rushes backed up by shaky secondaries. That's the defensive philosophy of the Panthers, only backed up by a better secondary and linebackers than either of those teams.

This is a rich-people's problem, honestly. Carolina's schedule is ridiculous the rest of the way. They could easily end up 14-2.

I know... But if I'm choosing between having to go to Lambeau, in disgusting weather against a team that's had a decent amount of playoff success and a HOF QB vs. going to Carolina, with their weather and a team that hasn't had any playoff success, I'd rather take my chances there.

 

[Darkside]

It's ridiculous to dismiss Carolina and Cam Newton so easily.

At this point in the season, you are what your record is. This is homerism at its finest. Saying our record should be better, that we're legit title contenders, while dismissing an 8-0 team as our best chance at advancing should we face them. That's amusing. There's enough games and trends at this point that your record really is what you are. We've had a cake schedule thus far. Absolute cakewalk.

Regarding Cam, I'll get to his completion percentage in a minute, because that's one stat I believe in as telling for a QB. But comparing him to Vick is ridiculous. He's more like Randall Cunningham, who, later in his career, developed a fine pocket awareness and ability to complete passes within that pocket. Early on he used athleticism, just like Cam does.

(As an aside, Carolina presents major problems for us where we're absolute weakest at: they put pressure on the guards, in the A gaps. They often rush two LB's with Luke Kuechly looping around after and penetrating the hole the other rush LB just cleared out. He will be dominate if we play them, he destroyed Rodgers who is much more mobile than Palmer)

Regarding Cam's completion percentage. I've noticed lately, and as far back as his comeback win against Seattle earlier this year, that he throws rocket balls, the same way Favre and Elway did early on. I'm not sure why, I personally believe because they're more difficult to intercept, for each of those players, but I just don't know. But it is what it is. Each of those QB's settled down eventually and found their stride, and each QB in that list relied on athleticism early. I'm not saying he's an Elway or a Favre, I'm merely analyzing their process and development at this stage of their careers.

I do think Cam is an elite QB in this league. Everyone seems to disagree, but you're wrong. I do agree, however, that he's not an elite passer by any stretch yet, but neither were many great QB's, as well as Elway and Favre (and I've ripped on Elway's completion percentage for years).

They won games situationally before they became football Gods. Cam is doing the exact same thing. Even against GB, his completion percentage wasn't great, but he made huge plays in the first half when it mattered, and all but put them away. He had 3 completions before halftime that were 40+ yards, 1 of them for a TD, and had another rushing TD, before the half.

I'm the biggest homer there is, but taking an 8-0 Carolina team lightly is foolish. They have the team to compete in every single game, and their game travels better than ours. You can bring a defense and a situational great QB with you on the road. Cam isn't a game manager, not at all. And he has crap, absolute total crap on offense, yet he doesn't just manage a game. He has a killer instinct and wants to destroy opposition and doesn't care what he has to work with.

People who say he's still immature and pouts are confused. He has plenty to pout about with his offense, but he hasn't, he's simply guided them to an 8-0 record. In his press conference he said they were ugly wins, but 8-0 is sweet. That's maturity. Doesn't care about his own numbers, just cares about winning.

People need to take heed of Carolina, they're for real. And so is Cam Newton. He will only elevate his game further come later in the season. He impresses the hell out of me.