Cardinals Agree To Contract Extension With MLB Gerald Hayes

[az1965]

The amount is good and will be a bargain in next couple of years when the cap goes even higher. Good signing. Hayes has been solid for the most part this season.

 

[Snakester]

I was hoping we would sign him now. The only other big name that we still have to sign is BIG. If we can get him signed then I will feel alot better about the prospects of next years o-line.

I think Hayes will will be a solid MLB for us for the next five years. Rod Graves and company are doing an outstanding job signing our young, up and coming players. It's just too bad that we didn't turn things around this year. I know many are calling for both Graves and Dennis Green to be fired, but I would rather give them another year to get things going than to have some other coach and GM come in and completely dismantle this team and start over again. Then we would be in the same position as we were when Green took over. I am not ready for another total rebuild. We have too many pieces of the puzzle already together to let some other coach come in and throw them all away.

 

[ajcardfan]

21 million toatal with 8 guaranteed doesnt sound like a whole lot. I wonder if it is 4 or 5 years? Glad we locked this guy up though. Very deserving!

We also don't know how much they pushed onto this year's cap. "Guaranteed" could mean a roster bonus or two in future seasons.

 

[Pariah]

I think Hayes will will be a solid MLB for us for the next five years.

Let me start with this disclaimer: I like Hayes and love the extension.

But, I think he's one of those guys who is going to get old fast. I think five years is about the longest we can expect him to be productive. I base that on his history of injury and his body-type.

 

[earthsci]

Then we would be in the same position as we were when Green took over.

"You maybe haven't been keeping up on current events but we just got our asses kicked, pal!"

We have great talent that is being poorly coached.

 

[Shane]

I was hoping we would sign him now. The only other big name that we still have to sign is BIG. If we can get him signed then I will feel alot better about the prospects of next years o-line.

I think Hayes will will be a solid MLB for us for the next five years. Rod Graves and company are doing an outstanding job signing our young, up and coming players. It's just too bad that we didn't turn things around this year. I know many are calling for both Graves and Dennis Green to be fired, but I would rather give them another year to get things going than to have some other coach and GM come in and completely dismantle this team and start over again. Then we would be in the same position as we were when Green took over. I am not ready for another total rebuild. We have too many pieces of the puzzle already together to let some other coach come in and throw them all away.

Your statement makes no sense snakester. If this team has SO MANY pieces of the puzzle like you say. Then a new coach isnt just going to release them all or cut them etc.... They will remain the pieces that we have and they will hopefully try and build on the weaker aspects of the team. Something DG obviously cant or refuses to do.

 

[earthsci]

Your statement makes no sense snakester. If this team has SO MANY pieces of the puzzle like you say. Then a new coach isnt just going to release them all or cut them etc.... They will remain the pieces that we have and they will hopefully try and build on the weaker aspects of the team. Something DG obviously cant or refuses to do.

 

[Shane]

We also don't know how much they pushed onto this year's cap. "Guaranteed" could mean a roster bonus or two in future seasons.

Very true aj.

 

[ajcardfan]

I was hoping we would sign him now. The only other big name that we still have to sign is BIG. If we can get him signed then I will feel alot better about the prospects of next years o-line.

I think Hayes will will be a solid MLB for us for the next five years. Rod Graves and company are doing an outstanding job signing our young, up and coming players. It's just too bad that we didn't turn things around this year. I know many are calling for both Graves and Dennis Green to be fired, but I would rather give them another year to get things going than to have some other coach and GM come in and completely dismantle this team and start over again. Then we would be in the same position as we were when Green took over. I am not ready for another total rebuild. We have too many pieces of the puzzle already together to let some other coach come in and throw them all away.

Yes, I'm dreading going through that process all over again. I just don't see how it can be avoided barring some sort of miracle finish to the season. I think it will take 5-3 at minimum.

 

[Mitch]

I was hoping we would sign him now. The only other big name that we still have to sign is BIG. If we can get him signed then I will feel alot better about the prospects of next years o-line.

I think Hayes will will be a solid MLB for us for the next five years. Rod Graves and company are doing an outstanding job signing our young, up and coming players. It's just too bad that we didn't turn things around this year. I know many are calling for both Graves and Dennis Green to be fired, but I would rather give them another year to get things going than to have some other coach and GM come in and completely dismantle this team and start over again. Then we would be in the same position as we were when Green took over. I am not ready for another total rebuild. We have too many pieces of the puzzle already together to let some other coach come in and throw them all away.

Good signing: MLB Gerald Hayes.

As for keeping the current HC and GM...changes at HC and GM must be made...and should be made without a total rebuild (new coaches this year, such as Sean Payton and Scott Linehan, have been doing well, and did not conduct fire sales, save dumping a couple of malcontents)...the Cards need a coach who can mold this talent into a winner and a GM who can add to the talent base, particularly on the offensive line. While I can understand your apprehensions, Gary, without proper coaching, the rest is all moot.

 

[Snakester]

Let me start with this disclaimer: I like Hayes and love the extension.

But, I think he's one of those guys who is going to get old fast. I think five years is about the longest we can expect him to be productive. I base that on his history of injury and his body-type.

You never know. I would be happy to get five solid years out of him myself. We'll just have to see how things turn out.

 

[Snakester]

Your statement makes no sense snakester. If this team has SO MANY pieces of the puzzle like you say. Then a new coach isnt just going to release them all or cut them etc.... They will remain the pieces that we have and they will hopefully try and build on the weaker aspects of the team. Something DG obviously cant or refuses to do.

A smart coach would do that. But then again that would make sense. I see that and you see that, but every time a new coach comes in what happens. They get rid of nearly everybody on the team and start from scratch. The team has no continuity and we start another four year rebuilding process all over again.

 

[Shane]

A smart coach would do that. But then again that would make sense. I see that and you see that, but every time a new coach comes in what happens. They get rid of nearly everybody on the team and start from scratch. The team has no continuity and we start another four year rebuilding process all over again.

Oh I agree we have seen it many times. But this isnt a team that needs to be gutted. It has some talent epecially at skill positions. All a new coach has to do is replace the OL and find a SS and CB and we are in business IMO. Hardly a team that needs a complete overhaul like the talentless scrap we have had around here before.

 

[Pariah]

All a new coach has to do is replace the OL and find a SS and CB and we are in business IMO.

Why a SS? Wilson is widely considered pro-bowl calibre.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Why a SS? Wilson is widely considered pro-bowl calibre.

Because you would move Wilson to Weak side LB?

 

[ajcardfan]

Oh I agree we have seen it many times. But this isnt a team that needs to be gutted. It has some talent epecially at skill positions. All a new coach has to do is replace the OL and find a SS and CB and we are in business IMO. Hardly a team that needs a complete overhaul like the talentless scrap we have had around here before.

I remember Buddy taking over a top ten offense and cutting 4/5th's of the oline. And, bringing in Jay Schroeder and Jay McMahon off the dung heap to take over the QB spot while Steve Beuerlein was benched.

New coaches will get players they are comfortable with. The less experienced, or prestigious, coach we get, the less likely we are to have much roster turnover.

 

[Pariah]

Because you would move Wilson to Weak side LB?

If by "you," you mean "me," you're wrong. Why take a pro-bowl safety and move him to somewhere he'd be average at best only to replace him with an unknown commodity?

If we were bringing in Ed Reed, okay, I can see it then. But, since we're not...

 

[ajcardfan]

Why a SS? Wilson is widely considered pro-bowl calibre.

He's got to mean FS to replace Griffith. I happen to think Francisco is probably not the long term answer at that spot.

 

[Shane]

Why a SS? Wilson is widely considered pro-bowl calibre.

Sorry Pariah meant FS.

 

[Shane]

I remember Buddy taking over a top ten offense and cutting 4/5th's of the oline. And, bringing in Jay Schroeder and Jay McMahon off the dung heap to take over the QB spot while Steve Beuerlein was benched.

New coaches will get players they are comfortable with. The less experienced, or prestigious, coach we get, the less likely we are to have much roster turnover.

That isnt necessarily the rule though. With our core talent I just dont see a coach gutting the team.

 

[Snakester]

Good signing: MLB Gerald Hayes.

As for keeping the current HC and GM...changes at HC and GM must be made...and shlud be made without a total rebuild (new coaches this year, such as Sean Payton and Scott Linehan, have been doing well)...the Cards need a coach who can mold this talent into a winner and a GM who can add to the talent base, particularly on the offensive line. While I can understand your apprehensions, Gary, without proper coaching, the rest is all moot.

The only way that I would be for that is if Michael Bidwill took charge and kept the team together and just added players to our weak spots. And I would also like to see him make any final moves like changing players and coaches. One of the things that Green has done a poor job on is making poor decisions on coaches. The problem with changing coaches and GM's is they always want to dismantle a team and build a new one just so they can say it is theirs. I am sick and tired of rebuilding. I have watched us rebuild for the last 35 years and it needs to stop or we will never get out of this rut we are in.

 

[az1965]

Wilson is bad in open field. He plays his best near the line of scrimmage.

 

[Duckjake]

21 million with 8 guaranteed is a really good deal-if you compare it to what baseball players make. Isn't that about .238 hitting second baseman money?

I just hope Hayes and Dockett don't get Extensionitis and quit performing now that they have their money like so many other pro athletes have done.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

If by "you," you mean "me," you're wrong. Why take a pro-bowl safety and move him to somewhere he'd be average at best only to replace him with an unknown commodity?

If we were bringing in Ed Reed, okay, I can see it then. But, since we're not...

Not you specifically. Just an idea as to why he would suggest that we should replace the SS.

 

[mjb21aztd]

Well this is the only good news a cardinal fan can expect by resigning players that actually come to play on sunday since the season is pretty much over good signing though I like Hayes as a player always comes to play 100 percent.