Cardinals Agree To Contract Extension With MLB Gerald Hayes

[kerouac9]

As for keeping the current HC and GM...changes at HC and GM must be made...and should be made without a total rebuild (new coaches this year, such as Sean Payton and Scott Linehan, have been doing well, and did not conduct fire sales, save dumping a couple of malcontents)...the Cards need a coach who can mold this talent into a winner and a GM who can add to the talent base, particularly on the offensive line. While I can understand your apprehensions, Gary, without proper coaching, the rest is all moot.

4-4 Scott Linehan? I don't want to surprise you, Mitch, but 5 of their 11 defensive starters were playing for different teams last season. 4 of their 11 offensive starters were either from other teams or starting in the NFL for the first time. And they still suck.

What about the overachieving Saints? New starters at QB, TE, LT (position change), OC, RG, WR, RDT, all three LB positions, and SS. That's 11 starters on both sides of the ball, not to mention high-profile castoffs like Dwight Smith and Jonathan Sullivan.

While you tend to ignore it, wholesale roster changes take place when a new coaching regime comes to a team, and because you don't always know what you have, it sometimes takes a couple seasons to really start bloodletting. It's after the second offseason that coaches generally really overturn their rosters.

 

[kerouac9]

The only way that I would be for that is if Michael Bidwill took charge and kept the team together and just added players to our weak spots. And I would also like to see him make any final moves like changing players and coaches. One of the things that Green has done a poor job on is making poor decisions on coaches. The problem with changing coaches and GM's is they always want to dismantle a team and build a new one just so they can say it is theirs. I am sick and tired of rebuilding. I have watched us rebuild for the last 35 years and it needs to stop or we will never get out of this rut we are in.

Would it really be a good idea to put someone in charge who has no experience with football scouting and operations? Can you really trust Michael Bidwill to make the correct decisions on something like this?

Rod Graves has been horrible at it, and he's been working in the NFL for two decades. Michael Bidwill's a lawyer.

Good GMs recognize the talent on a team and build from there. This team needs a good, strong, effective general manager.

 

[abomb]

As for keeping the current HC and GM...changes at HC and GM must be made...and should be made without a total rebuild (new coaches this year, such as Sean Payton and Scott Linehan, have been doing well, and did not conduct fire sales, save dumping a couple of malcontents)...the Cards need a coach who can mold this talent into a winner and a GM who can add to the talent base, particularly on the offensive line.

I dont know about the fire sale, but the Saints are starting five new players on the O-line and several more on both sides of the ball.

 

[Snakester]

Would it really be a good idea to put someone in charge who has no experience with football scouting and operations? Can you really trust Michael Bidwill to make the correct decisions on something like this?

Rod Graves has been horrible at it, and he's been working in the NFL for two decades. Michael Bidwill's a lawyer.

Good GMs recognize the talent on a team and build from there. This team needs a good, strong, effective general manager.

I want Michael Bidwill to have the final say on matters. I don't want a coach to be able to make bonehead decisions just because he gets mad about something and makes a rash decision that costs the team.

I completely agree with you about a good GM would recognize the talent on the team and build from there. And if it would just happen that way I would be thrilled. The problem is the only GM that has done anything halfway smart in the last 20 or so years for us has been Rod Graves. He has been getting our players signed and has even been inventive on how he does some of his contracts. That has not happened with this team hardly at all from what I can remember of my 41 years following this team. I know everybody wants heads to roll, but I would rather take some of Dennis Greens authority away from him than to start all over. With a whole new team, coaching staff and GM.

 

[Mitch]

I dont know about the fire sale, but the Saints are starting five new players on the O-line and several more on both sides of the ball.

The Saints made the best free agent signing in QB Drew Brees...and they bolstered their talent level across the board. What part of that would you not want the Cardinals to do?

The Cardinals already have the QBOF in place...no coach is going to come in and bench or cut Q, LF, Edge...do the Cardinals need a major revamping of the offesnive line? You bet.

On defense, the defensive line is set, save perhaps a change at LDE...at LB, maybe a new coach can get through to Dansby, which would be a major coup...and with upgrades at WLB, LCB and FS...this defense could be stout and super good.

Whatever the case, the Cardinals need better coaching to galvanize the current talent...and with a GM in place would could add the important parts on the o-line and on the defense, the Cardinals might finally put a winner on the field.

Thinking that keeping the current coaches is the answer is mind boggling.

Are the Cardinals as good as the Rams talent wise? They are better than the Rams, IMO. The Rams are much better coached. Period.

The 49ers can't come close to the Cardinals in talent. They are far better coached. Period.

 

[arthurracoon]

Whatever the case, the Cardinals need better coaching to galvanize the current talent...and with a GM in place would could add the important parts on the o-line and on the defense, the Cardinals might finally put a winner on the field.

Thinking that keeping the current coaches is the answer is mind boggling.

Are the Cardinals as good as the Rams talent wise? They are better than the Rams, IMO. The Rams are much better coached. Period.

The 49ers can't come close to the Cardinals in talent. They are far better coached. Period.

 

[Pariah]

On defense, the defensive line is set, save perhaps a change at LDE...

This is nitpicking a little, because I agree with most of what you've said.

But on the DL, I think you might see more than just a change at LDE. Dockett might not be a starter (or even on the team...not cut, but maybe traded?) under the next coach, IMO.

I could see a starting lineup along the DL like so:

LDE: New guy
DT: Watson
DT: Clancy or Cooper (depending on what type of DL philosophy is employed)
RDE: Berry

 

[ajcardfan]

Wilson is bad in open field. He plays his best near the line of scrimmage.

He is not great, but he HAS improved a lot in this area.

 

[ajcardfan]

This is nitpicking a little, because I agree with most of what you've said.

But on the DL, I think you might see more than just a change at LDE. Dockett might not be a starter (or even on the team...not cut, but maybe traded?) under the next coach, IMO.

I could see a starting lineup along the DL like so:

LDE: New guy
DT: Watson
DT: Clancy or Cooper (depending on what type of DL philosophy is employed)
RDE: Berry

Once we get a new coach, there will be several "shocks" as they change the roster. There always is.

 

[Ryanwb]

Wilson plays his best at the line of scrimmage because he is usually coming in unblocked.

 

[devilfan02]

He is not great, but he HAS improved a lot in this area.

Wilson still has a long ways to go in coverage. He still gets beat way too much and looks lost. IMO he hasn't improved that much

 

[ajcardfan]

Wilson still has a long ways to go in coverage. He still gets beat way too much and looks lost. IMO he hasn't improved that much

Don't get me wrong, he's not top notch and never will be. But, at least he makes SOME plays now and seems to have a clue as to where he's supposed to be. Unlike his first couple of years when he would often freeze out of indecisiveness.

 

[earthsci]

AW is easily better than Archuleta.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Good Deal, for a good player.

I like the signing, and glad it is the only extension given since I do not think anyone else is deserving one right now.

I will be interested in how Dansby will react to not getting an extension.

 

[Goldfield]

The Saints made the best free agent signing in QB Drew Brees...and they bolstered their talent level across the board. What part of that would you not want the Cardinals to do?

The Cardinals already have the QBOF in place...no coach is going to come in and bench or cut Q, LF, Edge...do the Cardinals need a major revamping of the offesnive line? You bet.

On defense, the defensive line is set, save perhaps a change at LDE...at LB, maybe a new coach can get through to Dansby, which would be a major coup...and with upgrades at WLB, LCB and FS...this defense could be stout and super good.

Whatever the case, the Cardinals need better coaching to galvanize the current talent...and with a GM in place would could add the important parts on the o-line and on the defense, the Cardinals might finally put a winner on the field.

Thinking that keeping the current coaches is the answer is mind boggling.

Are the Cardinals as good as the Rams talent wise? They are better than the Rams, IMO. The Rams are much better coached. Period.

The 49ers can't come close to the Cardinals in talent. They are far better coached. Period.

Love your stuff Mitch. Agree completely...

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

The Cardinals already have the QBOF in place...no coach is going to come in and bench or cut Q, LF, Edge...do the Cardinals need a major revamping of the offesnive line? You bet.

Agreed, although I think we might see Edge dangled in trade talks this offseason with nobody biting. I doubt our new coach and Edge will see eye to eye on the star RB spending his summer in Miami coming off a 3-13 season.

On defense, the defensive line is set, save perhaps a change at LDE...at LB, maybe a new coach can get through to Dansby, which would be a major coup...and with upgrades at WLB, LCB and FS...this defense could be stout and super good..

Too much kool-ade here Mitch. Berry and Okeafor have been nothing but awful all season while getting up there in age and Dockett and Clancy/Watson haven't been much better. Our defensive line is quickly beginning to resemble those of of the McGinnis era where opposing QBs generally had about 10 minutes to throw the ball on every snap. We're currently 22nd in the league in the NFL in sacks and our line cannot get pressure with four guys as it could the last couple years. We need two starting defensive linemen, a starting LB, starting corner, and a starting safety and a lot of depth in the front seven.

Agreed on the embarassment that is our GM and coaching staff.

 

[D-Dogg]

21 million toatal with 8 guaranteed doesnt sound like a whole lot. I wonder if it is 4 or 5 years? Glad we locked this guy up though. Very deserving!

They said it was 5 years.

That's good numbers for a pretty good player over a long contract especially as the cap will continue to rise dramatically. Good move Cards.

 

[BACH]

you're right. it should, but I suspect it doesn't. Either that or Rod Graves is beyond the moron that I already believe him to be. And that would be saying something.

46 million for Dockett and Hayes - that's a lot of scratch for two relatively average NFL defenders.

It's the going rate. Both are young and playing around "slighty above average" - "just below Pro Bowl consideration" level.

Actually, Hayes' deal is identical to Bradie James' deal, so no surprise. The interesting part is how much of the garanteed money is included in Hayes' base salary this season.

Cowboys | Contract update: Bradie James
Wed, 20 Sep 2006 07:12:19 -0700

Updating a previous report, Nick Eatman, of DallasCowboys.com, reports Dallas Cowboys LB Bradie James received a five-year contract extension worth $20 million and an $8 million signing bonus in addition to the $1.5 million he was scheduled to receive this season.

Furthermore, with the increase in the cap and the weak FA market, the going rate for players could skyrocket.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Hayes gets five-Year deal

November 7
Arizona Republic (registration required): "Hayes, one of the team's most productive players in the first half of a disappointing season, signed a five-year contract extension Monday. The contract is worth $21 million, $7 million of which is guaranteed, according to NFL sources."

 

[CaptTurbo]

BTW to Duck et al

I was wrong. I said we wuld see this play out and it did and I was on the wrong side. I didnt think they woulda or shoulda but they dida.

 

[joeshmo]

Hayes Contract Details

Total Contract Value - $20,937,500
Total Gauranteed Value - $7,437,500 (All of which is a roster bonus this year)

Cap Hit Values -

2006 $7,437,500 + His original Base this Year.
2007 $600,000
2008 $1,500,000
2009 $3,400,000
2010 $3,750,000
2011 $4,250,000

 

[Duckjake]

Hayes Contract Details

Total Contract Value - $20,937,500
Total Gauranteed Value - $7,437,500 (All of which is a roster bonus this year)

Cap Hit Values -

2006 $7,437,500 + His original Base this Year.
2007 $600,000
2008 $1,500,000
2009 $3,400,000
2010 $3,750,000
2011 $4,250,000

Are we the only team that is dumping huge amounts of cap money into this year instead of spreading it out via a "signing" bonus or is this type front loading a result of the new larger cap?

 

[joeshmo]

Are we the only team that is dumping huge amounts of cap money into this year instead of spreading it out via a "signing" bonus or is this type front loading a result of the new larger cap?

We front loaded becuase we still had over 7.5 Mill to spend in cap this season. Its what all teams do when re-signing players before the week 8 deadline.

 

[Jersey Girl]

I like Hayes. This is a bright spot in an otherwise dismal season.

 

[BACH]

Are we the only team that is dumping huge amounts of cap money into this year instead of spreading it out via a "signing" bonus or is this type front loading a result of the new larger cap?

We're one of the team that use that approach, but we're nowhere near the Eagles in that approach.