Cardinals at Rams gameday thread 10-15-23

[Chopper0080]

Yeah… they should just move him back to ILB especially with Myjai coming back.

He isn't an ILB. At least not one in this defense, under these coaches. He has none of the skills.

 

[Chopper0080]

I believe we are learning about some players. Unfortunately, might not like what we are learning. One of those things is that Zaven Collins does not have a future as a starter for the Cardinals moving forward. At least if next year's roster has any talent at the position. I don't know if he would take a backup role but that is what he is. No 5th year option.

 

[BirdGangThing]

And the oline has been trending downward against lesser dlines than those against which they performed admirably to start the season.

I think we're trying to get too cute with our schemes

 

[Chopper0080]

I think we're trying to get too cute with our schemes

I think our scheme and roster now have tape and teams are understanding the best ways to attack it.

 

[Arz101]

I think our scheme and roster now have tape and teams are understanding the best ways to attack it.

Game 5 onwards is where the chaff and wheat are separated in an NFL.season.

 

[Arz101]

Second half adjustments define great coaches from good ones. I want to see a couple of games where we beat the teams with second half adjustments. That would go a long way in my eyes to keep hopes on this staff. It is easy to be front runners. Ask Kliff.

So far coaching has been a solid B.

 

[slanidrac16]

Ugh. Cards lose 26-9 after leading 9-3.

Not liking these games becoming uncompetitive.

The problem is that 9-6 score should have been 17-6. I stated before the season if we were going to win games we’d have to be extremely good in the red zone. We are not.

 

[slanidrac16]

I don't think we see Tune unless Dobbs is hurt. At least not for three or four more poor games.

Astro is their guy. They made a significant move to get him, and he played well for a long enough stretch that they can rationalize firing him out there several more times.

Plus, what are the odds Tune is better (materially better)? I mean I'm not hating on Tune but the odds are pretty low for a fifth round rook looking okay with the supporting cast we have on offense

I agree. Tune may be a bit more accurate… maybe, but defenses would probably devour him. This ain’t preseason.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Honestly, I feel this has been mainly just been DJ/Wilkerson aka the left side.

You’re likely right.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I think we're trying to get too cute with our schemes

Yeah pulling the guard and tackle and leaving 99 unblocked had me scratching my head.

 

[slanidrac16]

I think the future plan for this defense is to develop a front “12”. Create a group of guys we can plug in and rotate during a game.

 

[mjb21aztd]

Just amother cards way to lose with boneheaded int...... but cloer to the glorious num 1 pick who better not be another hot tub leinart

 

[Arz101]

I think the future plan for this defense is to develop a front “12”. Create a group of guys we can plug in and rotate during a game.

It is fair to wonder if Cardinals needs 7-8 starters next season on defense. Is it even practical to find so many next season?

 

[Arz101]

Just amother cards way to lose with boneheaded int...... but cloer to the glorious num 1 pick who better not be another hot tub leinart

What if CJ Stroud is THAT guy

 

[BirdGangThing]

Yeah pulling the guard and tackle and leaving 99 unblocked had me scratching my head.

That was madness

 

[kerouac9]

It is fair to wonder if Cardinals needs 7-8 starters next season on defense. Is it even practical to find so many next season?

I mean, there will be 11 starters no matter what happens. So we have that going for us.

ILB White, S Thompson, EDGE Gardeck will all be here. MAYBE one of the corners sticks.

You plan to start one of Sanders, Thomas, and Ojulari. Thats five starters you hope are above replacement level.

Barring a miraculous draft this defense is likely undermanned again next season. You can keep backfilling with cheap LJ Collier types, but you get what you pay for.

 

[Arz101]

I mean, there will be 11 starters no matter what happens. So we have that going for us.

ILB White, S Thompson, EDGE Gardeck will all be here. MAYBE one of the corners sticks.

You plan to start one of Sanders, Thomas, and Ojulari. Thats five starters you hope are above replacement level.

Barring a miraculous draft this defense is likely undermanned again next season. You can keep backfilling with cheap LJ Collier types, but you get what you pay for.

I was hoping we found a young Dockett or Campbell this draft, so far not sure if anyone fits that bill yet.

 

[kerouac9]

I was hoping we found a young Dockett or Campbell this draft, so far not sure if anyone fits that bill yet.

I think we draft a ton of DL next year.

 

[Arz101]

I think we draft a ton of DL next year.

I would trade both first round picks for next Von Miller or JJ Watt if there is one in next draft.

 

[Arz101]

James Conner is missed. Also, miss some one like Ellington in this offense..the home run guy.

 

[football karma]

I stated before the season if we were going to win games we’d have to be extremely good in the red zone. We are not.

beleive it or not, they were perfect until last week

but the bigger picture is correct: to win they have to win red zone

 

[Dayman]

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[juza76]

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Likely more studies from other teams

 

[kerouac9]

I believe we are learning about some players. Unfortunately, might not like what we are learning. One of those things is that Zaven Collins does not have a future as a starter for the Cardinals moving forward. At least if next year's roster has any talent at the position. I don't know if he would take a backup role but that is what he is. No 5th year option.

I'm sure someone will post snap counts from yesterday eventually. When they do, I bet they'll find that Collins had more snaps than any other OLB by no small margin.

I wonder if they're giving him a lot of rope and reps to show he can't do it.

 

[ajcardfan]

Yeah pulling the guard and tackle and leaving 99 unblocked had me scratching my head.

That was supposed to be a read option by Dobbs. If the end crashes, which Donald did, Dobbs needs to pull the handoff and run it outside. That is how the play is designed.