Cardinals at Seahawks gameday thread 10-16-22

[Russ Smith]

Sean Harlow is an embarrassment.

I know Hudson is hurt, and we have 2 other guys who can play C who are both hurt but he can't be the C on Thur he just can't. they have to play Billy Price. Harlow is just not strong enough to play in the NFL.

He's just getting destroyed on so many plays that Kyler doesn't trust he can step up and it's clearly both causing bad plays and impacting Kyler's confidence.

The problem of course is so many shotgun snaps, the one thing Harlow has done well this year is snap the ball

 

[BullheadCardFan]

I know Hudson is hurt, and we have 2 other guys who can play C who are both hurt but he can't be the C on Thur he just can't. they have to play Billy Price. Harlow is just not strong enough to play in the NFL.

He's just getting destroyed on so many plays that Kyler doesn't trust he can step up and it's clearly both causing bad plays and impacting Kyler's confidence.

The problem of course is so many shotgun snaps, the one thing Harlow has done well this year is snap the ball

Sad thing is that our draft pick, Smith, was showing so much progress before his injury

 

[DaHilg]

Yeah, but who does the draft and hires the coach?

Who cares???? Could it be worse? I’m in in Boston and all the patrons not only here but anybody I know across the country can see how bad Kliffy is

 

[Harry]

As to Kingsbury, I’m not certain he wouldn’t want to be fired. He’s got his money and his home. Some stupid, rich booster will give him another bunch of money to destroy their favorite team. No motivation to fix this mess. He got the Cards‘ job despite losing. Barnum was right! There’s one born every minute!

 

[Germz249]

How about in the league?

I would say we are one of the weakest also lol. Not even a wildcard team.

 

[Mainstreet]

Who cares???? Could it be worse? I’m in in Boston and all the patrons not only here but anybody I know across the country can see how bad Kliffy is

I don't see anyone coming to Kingbury's rescue. Replacing him is a start but the problems are deeper.

 

[Cardsfaninlouky]

My concern is does Murray want to play hard enough to win even with better coaching? Is he too risk adverse? Will he work hard enough to study defenses? Will he set an example on the field? I can’t see Bidwill writing the check and he likely wouldn’t take the job, but Sean Payton might be the best hope.

No way Sean Payton would work for the clowns running our team. There may be a remote chance if he would be given total control but that's an even bigger not gonna happen. We're doomed, this is like the blind leading the blind.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

The dysfunction in the organization runs deep

 

[PACardsFan]

Kyler overthrow sure TD and throw int's is both of them. They don't work together to solve this and Kyler has more bad habbits than Skelton on the field at the moment. Gosh since he got worse than Lindley in the Playoffs, Kyler looks like a QB that is at best average.

You were fine until you brought Lindley & Skelton into the equation. We have seen Murray dominate defenses in the past, so we know what he’s capable of. The problem is that KK system is being abused by DC’s & he can’t adjust. This is NOT on Murray. Is Murray frustrated & forcing issues? Absolutely. That happens. With even a good HC, Murray is very good & quite capable of taking this team deep into the playoffs. He needs an OL, which he has NEVER had, and healthy weapons, which he never has enough of either.

 

[PACardsFan]

PA I love your enthusiasm, but KM is playing terrible right now

KK needs to go ASAP

Murray is frustrated and handcuffed by KK’s incompetence. This is not difficult to see.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Murray is frustrated and handcuffed by KK’s incompetence. This is not difficult to see.

I agree, but he isn't doing himself any favors by playing poorly when has chances

 

[PACardsFan]

I agree, but he isn't doing himself any favors by playing poorly when has chances

He’s NOT having chances. He has a horrible HC & horrible OL. You cannot overcome that without looking bad.

 

[Mainstreet]

My concern is does Murray want to play hard enough to win even with better coaching? Is he too risk adverse? Will he work hard enough to study defenses? Will he set an example on the field? I can’t see Bidwill writing the check and he likely wouldn’t take the job, but Sean Payton might be the best hope.

I'm all for change but the Cardinals ownership blew it this past summer when the GM, coach and quarterback were given 5 year extensions.

Is Michael Bidwill willing to pay for mistakes that are not cosmetic?

 

[unseenaz]

Murray is frustrated and handcuffed by KK’s incompetence. This is not difficult to see.

They both suck. But kliff isn’t asking kyler to airmail wide open receivers.

 

[dscher]

Is Michael Bidwill willing to pay for mistakes?

If he does what we all hope. I would do a complete and utter 180 on my current opinion of him and his bromance status.

 

[Fiasco]

I always hated season overlap in the "big 4" professional sports. That's why I have so much respect for the Cardinal organization's consistent efforts to end their season by the start of the NHL season.

 

[PACardsFan]

They both suck. But kliff isn’t asking kyler to airmail wide open receivers.

Wide open receivers? Ha. What game are you watching? And he’s under constant duress with our garbage OL.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I still can’t believe there were people defending the double fisted five year contract extensions.

 

[unseenaz]

Wide open receivers? Ha. What game are you watching? And he’s under constant duress with our garbage OL.

Oh boy.

 

[FB94]

Maybe a new coach might help give a reboot but Murray looks like he has lost confidence.

Coaching is a part of the problem as well but the problems run deep.

Kk needs to go. I want a tough love coach that is going to challenge Murray as I don’t really think he’s truly had one. Lincoln Reilly may at times but they won a lot without much adversity.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

He’s NOT having chances. He has a horrible HC & horrible OL. You cannot overcome that without looking bad.

He's had plenty of chances

KK's not making him overthrow guys, missing reads not stepping into his throws and a list of other things

In no way am I absolving KK of blame

Its just that KM has his faults that aren't caused by KK that he needs to work on

 

[wit3card]

You were fine until you brought Lindley & Skelton into the equation. We have seen Murray dominate defenses in the past, so we know what he’s capable of. The problem is that KK system is being abused by DC’s & he can’t adjust. This is NOT on Murray. Is Murray frustrated & forcing issues? Absolutely. That happens. With even a good HC, Murray is very good & quite capable of taking this team deep into the playoffs. He needs an OL, which he has NEVER had, and healthy weapons, which he never has enough of either.

PACard, it's not about the past with Kyler, he increases his habbits and now has more than skelton or Lindley. He has the bad habbit to throw from his backfood he doesn't lean into the throw overthrows wide open players, his footwork is atrouscious and he doesn't go through his progressions and can't read a D.

Gosh, we are not talking about what he did and can do, but what he regressed to. And that isn't a Top 10 QB but a bottom 10 QB.

But we pay him like a top 5 QB

 

[Mainstreet]

If he does what we all hope. I would do a complete and utter 180 on my current opinion of him and his bromance status.

I'm not holding my breath because I think Keim, Kingbury and Murray were all a package.

 

[Dback Jon]

I still can’t believe there were people defending the double fisted five year contract extensions.

I don’t think anybody’s defending Keim or Kliff’s extensions

 

[PACardsFan]

PACard, it's not about the past with Kyler, he increases his habbits and now has more than skelton or Lindley. He has the bad habbit to throw from his backfood he doesn't lean into the throw overthrows wide open players, his footwork is atrouscious and he doesn't go through his progressions and can't read a D.

Gosh, we are not talking about what he did and can do, but what he regressed to. And that isn't a Top 10 QB but a bottom 10 QB.

But we pay him like a top 5 QB

Very easy to come to that conclusion when your OC/HC is getting schooled by opposing defenses. In time, if the HC/OC situation is resolved, then you will understand what I’m saying. Murray will win BIG in the NFL. Just not sure it will be with our POS franchise.