Cardinals | Big plans for Daryl Washington

[BigRedRage]

hes gonna hate dwash no matter what happens so no use arguing.

 

[kerouac9]

Even for you, this statement is asinine. Has nothing to do with discourse, but rather a simple, cogent response to an assertion about physical stature as the only true measuring stick of a player's performance. Which any fan with a basic understanding of the game would comprehend.

No where did I say that "physical stature" is "the only true measuring stick of a player's performance." I'm saying that DWash is too small to play inside linebacker in a 3-4 defense, and I've been saying it since before the draft.

Give me a break. If you're going to put words in my mouth, at least coat them with sugar so that they'll go down a little easier.

As for whether or not Washington is big enough, watching him get blown out at the point of attack over and over again last year should've been evidence enough.

Do you watch games or just read websites and stat sheets? These sort of biased, abhorrent comments are really starting to lose their luster.

How, exactly, can a comment be "abhorrent"? Of course I watch games. That's how I know that Washington was making a ton of tackle 7 yards behind the LOS after getting blown out of the play by blockers or running himself out of it.

Cute, though, that you don't even argue the fact that Washington wasn't a starter for the Horned Toads until his senior year. Apparently looking at the facts is "hating."

I'm not one of the guys who predicted DROY, but thought he would be productive. When he was on the field, he made plays and overcame standard rookie mistakes as the season progressed.

The only issue was the coaching staff being resolute inn getting Hayes back on the field (obvious mistake) and keeping veteran Lenon on the field as well. This is a philosophy that irritates me, but it is what it is. This season, he will be the feature WILB, where he should be playing in the first place. No reason why he won't improve, especially with experience under his belt, a new DC and what seems to be a breath of fresh air for the entire defense.

He didn't make plays when he was on the field. If he had, we would've had a better defense--especially against the run. Instead, he was below-average. Now, is he part of the solution, or part of the problem? I don't know. I think it's fairly clear that he wasn't only outperformed by the usual suspects last year (Dockett, Rhodes, DRC, Wilson, probably Campbell), but I'd argue that Clark Haggans, Paris Lenon, and Greg Toler were all superior performers to Washington last year. So Daryl Washington was between the sixth and eighth best player on the defense last year. Congratulations; we definitely need to feature you more.

Put the haterade down and we'll reassess the D Wash situation during the season.[/QUOTE]

 

[Crazy Canuck]

The kid showed flashes in his first year (that's first season, which is evidently lost on K-9)

A review of his games at end of year, Denver and Dallas, for examples, will give ample reason to believe in his potential, and why Horton may want to feature him.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I like how people assume that anyone too small for one position can just slide down to the next one.

Too small for DE? Play LB. Too small for LB? Play DB.

Yep, that's how it works. It's just that easy.

Blame Madden.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

 

[Cheesebeef]

You do realize that you just brought truth and logic into a K9 argument, right?

I'm pretty sure that's against the rules.

truth and logic? the truth was that Hayes was AWFUL when he was brought back last year and if DW not only lost his job to him when he came back but couldn't unseat him once it was clear that Hayes was completely pathetic, that doesn't say much for DW's performance.

 

[TJ]

No where did I say that "physical stature" is "the only true measuring stick of a player's performance."

First, Timmons is not only 4 pounds heavier than Washington; he's also an inch shorter. Smaller + Heavier = Stronger.

There was nothing further to qualify this statement.

I'm saying that DWash is too small to play inside linebacker in a 3-4 defense, and I've been saying it since before the draft.

So? Many players don't fit the ideal mold of a particular position on the field, yet still succeed. For example, many o-linemen are lighter than most and are able to make up for it with technique and hard work.

Tell me. Do you even know what the ideal physical features of a WILB in a 3-4 are? If you don't, that's fine because it really doesn't matter to me.

How, exactly, can a comment be "abhorrent"?

When it is completely disgusting to read over and over again. For example, your constant bashing of D Wash, which is exhausting for most posters to read (based on comments being made on this thread).

Of course I watch games. That's how I know that Washington was making a ton of tackle 7 yards behind the LOS after getting blown out of the play by blockers or running himself out of it.

Is that your focus? Do you only focus on what mistakes he's made or do you see the full picture? You'd make a great living working for scouts.com only writing about the weaknesses of every player coming out of college.

It is, as you said, cute that you ignore anything he's done well and over exaggerate some of his mistakes without consideration of the facts that a) he was a rookie and b) our defense as a whole sucked last season, and many of those tackles 7 yards back were of the result of poor tackling up front.

Cute, though, that you don't even argue the fact that Washington wasn't a starter for the Horned Toads until his senior year. Apparently looking at the facts is "hating."

Because it has no relevance to today. If anything, it's admirable that he went from starting one season in college to being 1st-2nd round talent in the NFL.

He didn't make plays when he was on the field. If he had, we would've had a better defense--especially against the run. Instead, he was below-average. Now, is he part of the solution, or part of the problem? I don't know. I think it's fairly clear that he wasn't only outperformed by the usual suspects last year (Dockett, Rhodes, DRC, Wilson, probably Campbell), but I'd argue that Clark Haggans, Paris Lenon, and Greg Toler were all superior performers to Washington last year. So Daryl Washington was between the sixth and eighth best player on the defense last year. Congratulations; we definitely need to feature you more.

The above mentioned were superior players to a guy who you admitted played from the bench most of last season. So if D Wash was the 6th best defender on the team as 2nd string, wouldn't that be more positive than not?

The bottom line is the entire defense sucked last season and to imply that because a rookie either didn't start, or was sub par in your opinion, was the prime reason for our lack of performance is ridiculous. From the top down, we stunk, but when I see potential for growth and signs of productivity, I call it as I see it. That includes D Wash, amongst others.

 

[Cards Czar]

Chechmate!

 

[Crazy Canuck]

truth and logic? the truth was that Hayes was AWFUL when he was brought back last year and if DW not only lost his job to him when he came back but couldn't unseat him once it was clear that Hayes was completely pathetic, that doesn't say much for DW's performance.

Who stepped in when Hayes was sent back to the bench?

 

[Duckjake]

Here's what I expect from Washington this season: 4 sacks, 3 INTs two returned for TDs, 2 Forced Fumbles and 2 Fumble recoveries.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Who stepped in when Hayes was sent back to the bench?

washington... and looked just as lost out there as he did before he lost his job.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

washington... and looked just as lost out there as he did before he lost his job.

Recommend you re-watch the Denver and Dallas games.

 

[Mulli]

You guys should stop being so negative.

:ducksforcover:

 

[kerouac9]

Recommend you re-watch the Denver and Dallas games.

Are you talking about the Denver game where Daryl Washington fumbled it while showboating on his way to the end zone, and Dockett scored a TD?

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010121211/2010/REG14/broncos@cardinals#tab:watch

Heady play there.

Or in the Dallas game where Washington got sucked in by a counter play and Marion Barber had his longest run of the season?

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010122500/2010/REG16/cowboys@cardinals#tab:watch

Excellent instincts.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Recommend you re-watch the Denver and Dallas games.

i remember him playing well against an awful Denver team that was in complete upheaval, but he was a blip on the radar screen against Dallas and he (along with the rest of the team) rolled over and died against Carolina and SF.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Are you talking about the Denver game where Daryl Washington fumbled it while showboating on his way to the end zone, and Dockett scored a TD?

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010121211/2010/REG14/broncos@cardinals#tab:watch

Heady play there.

Or in the Dallas game where Washington got sucked in by a counter play and Marion Barber had his longest run of the season?

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010122500/2010/REG16/cowboys@cardinals#tab:watch

Excellent instincts.

Of course, you would want to reduce it to two plays. How typical of your highly reductive arguments, that ignore anything that doesn't fit your bias of the moment.

 

[kerouac9]

Of course, you would want to reduce it to two plays. How typical of your highly reductive arguments, that ignore anything that doesn't fit your bias of the moment.

I'm sure I don't have to tell you the meaning of the word "synecdoche."

 

[Red Dawn]

I'm sure I don't have to tell you the meaning of the word "synecdoche."

I thought personal attacks were not allowed.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I'm sure I don't have to tell you the meaning of the word "synecdoche."

A reference to the "whole", I know.

 

[Mulli]

I hope the Cards DLine solidifies so we can see what DWash can really do.

 

[Stout]

He's got a wig for a wig and a brain for a heart, he'll kick you apart, he'll kick you apart!

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

two things. TCU is no slouch of a program these days and Washington had a very uneven year as a rookie. That's what most rookies do. Dismissing because of size is stupid as there have been many good undersized LB's. Thinking he's going to be great is also premature. Let the guy develop and see what happens.

 

[Krangodnzr]

It's probably because of Daryl Washington's incredible instincts and productivity that the coaching staff had no compunction about sending him to the bench when Gerald Hayes came back from injury. Because Paris Lenon was such an effective player and Daryl Washington's instinctive play was really making the defense a good unit.

I think this more addressing the faults of CKW, and not the fact that D Washington was failing. CKW thought that a healthy Gerald Hayes, a thumper, is what the interior run defense needed.

And it's probably Daryl Washington's unquestionable instincts that kept him out of the starting lineup at football powerhouse Texas Christian until his third season. Every draft publication questioned Washington's football IQ and instincts.

If you are going to make the claim about "Every draft publication...", post three reputable draft reports that state this. I just did a search and found quite a few that states the opposite.

And we've covered this ad nauseum why he didn't start; Washington was playing behind Jason Phillips, an All-MWC LB. So your argument is ridiculously flimsy here, D Washington was sitting behind a very good starter, which is why Barry Sanders was Thurman Thomas' backup at Okla State. That doesn't mean Barry is worse than Thurman, does it? Or that Barry didn't deserve to play.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=33700&draftyear=2009&genpos=ILB

And again, you are like the one person who claims he has poor instincts. Does he struggle at times to take on blocks? Yes. Does he have poor instincts? No, he has very good instincts based on all non-Kerouac opinions I've seen.

Daryl Washington has amazing speed. That's what he showed last year. Other than that speed, he didn't show very much else. You same guys were the ones saying that Washington will push for Defensive Rookie of the Year last year. How did that work out?

Actually I don't remember anyone on this board positioning him for DROY on this board; I remember quite a few websites stating he was good enough.

IMO Washington isn't Karlos Dansby, but he can become a very good player in his own right. He has good speed, instincts, and can still add weight to his frame. He's already pretty good in coverage and should only get better with more time. If used correctly, he could be a vital piece to our defensive scheme.

 

[wa52lz]

Two things about this, since the rest of these posts are largely nonsense jingoism.

First, Timmons is not only 4 pounds heavier than Washington; he's also an inch shorter. Smaller + Heavier = Stronger. The other thing about Timmons is that he has very good instincts to go with his good speed. Washington showed none of those instincts last year.

Thirdly, Timmons is no better than the fifth-best player on the Steelers defense. Polamalu, Harrison, Woodley, and Hampton are without question better and more important to the success of that defense. You could argue that Timmons is even behind Taylor, Clark, Keisel, and maybe Hood and Farrior.

Finally, call me back when Daryl Washington is anywhere close to as productive a player as Lawrence Timmons is.

Ring, ring, ring.....
DW 12 games 78 Tackles (71-7) 4 sacks 2 int 6 PDef
LT 13 games 70 Tackles (48-22) 0 sacks 1 int 4 PDef

http://www.nfl.com/player/lawrencetimmons/2495762/profile
http://www.nfl.com/player/darylwashington/496959/profile

 

[nashman]

Nice bump... What no response from K9?