Cardinals checking out Vince Young?

[Red Hawk]

Cardinals | Rowen takes Young out to dinner
Wed, 22 Mar 2006 22:06:07 -0800

Suzanne Halliburton, of the American-Statesman, reports Arizona Cardinals offensive coordinator Keith Rowen took Texas QB Vince Young out for dinner for an informal interview Tuesday, March 21.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

Don't ever trust Halliburton....

 

[DieHardFromMO]

With the Raiders signing Brooks I guess there is a possibility of Vince Young being on the board when we draft. Is Vince Young the next Daunte Culpepper for Dennis Green?

 

[Jetstream Green]

Pick 10 with a number 10 on the jersey!

Sorry Scott Player...DRAFT VINCE "THE WINNER" YOUNG!!!

 

[CardsFan222]

Sorry Scott Player...DRAFT VINCE "THE WINNER" YOUNG!!!

 

[Duckjake]

From this morning's Austin paper:

Arizona Cardinals offensive coordinator Keith Rowan took Young out for dinner to an Austin steakhouse Tuesday night for an informal interview. The Cardinals have the 10th pick of the first round.

 

[Goodyear Card]

If we were serious Dennis Green and Rod Graves would have been there. My guess is we are just confirming his intellegence. If VY is available at the #10 spot we might be able to trade down for extra picks and select some quality OL.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Denny Green hasn't been anywhere, except to confirm signings. Green to meet with VY over a month before the draft would be premature.

 

[Pariah]

This morning Len Pastabelli was on the local ESPN radio show. The hosts asked him about Vince Young falling out of the top-10 and if he did go into "free-fall" where Len thought the stopping point was. Len said if Young was there at 10, Denny would take about 2 seconds to get that selection card up to the podium. He was pretty sure that Young would be a Card if he lasts until 10.

He also sounded almost as sure that Young wouldn't be there for the Cards to select.

 

[seesred]

One thing you can bet on Denny will not trade down it's not his MO. He will take the best player available and it won't be an O-line guy because at ten there are none that would BPA. Most likely in the second round or third you will see the lineman pick up.

GBR
40

 

[MastersofCombat]

I think the taking Vince Young to Dinner is a publicity stunt ploy for those eyeing Young that are lower picks.

Also think about it if your a pick or two in front of the Cardinals, hearing they are interested in Young has got to make you really know for a fact your passing on someone that cant help your offense.

 

[football karma]

I heard they went out dancing later

 

[az jam]

One thing you can bet on Denny will not trade down it's not his MO. He will take the best player available and it won't be an O-line guy because at ten there are none that would BPA. Most likely in the second round or third you will see the lineman pick up.

GBR
40

Agree. Denny has actually never traded his number one pick (either up or down). BPA will be it, only OL worth taking would be Ferguson and he will be long gone by #10.

 

[az1965]

We need QBOF and if Young is there, that is it... no questions!

 

[DieHardFromMO]

I would love to draft Vince Young if he is available when we are on the clock. I think Vince Young can perform well in our offense. We don't really throw the ball deep very often, of course, that may be because our OL can't sustain a block long enough in order to get downfield.

I think Young can hit the short to intermediate distance throws. His running ability would add another dimension to our offense as long as they don't try to force him to remain in the pocket like the previous staff did with Jake.

By some miracle what if Vince Young and Vernon Davis were both on the board when we select. That would be a tough choice. Do you draft someone like Davis who will contribute right away or draft your QBOF who won't see the field for a year or two unless Warner goes down due to injury? I think I would pick Vince Young, but I would probably flip/flop back and forth in trying to make that decision.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Davis, without question. Would not be upset with management for selecting Young, but personally I would select Davis.

 

[BACH]

Pft's comments on Young's workout:

VINCE "HAS AN AURA"

In our effort to continue to muddy the waters as much as we possibly can regarding the potential draft order at the top of round one, we've obtained information from a league source regarding the March 22 workout of Texas quarterback Vince Young.



The information we've heard corroborates the rave reviews from folks such as Gil Brandt, Sean Salisbury, and Mel Kiper, Jr., and it somewhat contradicts an opinion from a scout that was expressed to ESPN's Chris Mortensen.



Said our source: "I thought [the workout] was excellent. He's got a big arm, he was accurate, he's got size, and athletic ability. He ran fast for his size and really didn't do any warm-ups. He wasn’t going to run and at the last minute, stripped down and ran. People had times between 4.54 [and] 4.62.



"He has an aura about him."



That last statement means far more to us than anything else we've heard or seen, including the six or seven or 16 or 15 on the Wonderlic, the lack of experience taking snaps under center, and the Uncle Rico throwing motion.



Intangibles, we believe, are far more important than tangibles, especially when it comes to figuring out who will or won't be a successful NFL quarterback. We've always liked Young's demeanor and his presence, notwithstanding any flaws in his game, or in his brain.



Still, we continue to be troubled by the advice Young is getting. He showed up for the pro day workout not intending to run. Which means that he hadn't trained to run. Which means that his agent told him he didn't need to run.



But after he was pressured into running by folks who were in attendance at the workout, Young stripped off his sweats and posted a good but not great time on a fast track.



Look, we realize that Young and his family are loyal to Major Adams, who successfully has gotten himself in position to have and to hold Vince as a client. But consider much buzz Young would have created if he'd been working to maximize his 40 time, especially when little things like emerging properly out of the starting position can make a huge difference in the final number.



If Young had put up a legitimate time below 4.45, even on a fast track, he might have gone a long way to recapturing the momentum that arose right after the Rose Bowl -- but that gradually has dissipated over the past couple of months.



Instead, Young is struggling to get his aura to transform into buzz as the draft approaches.

 

[Pariah]

I think Vince Young can perform well in our offense.

I like the pick if he's there, but I worry about him coming into a game in relief of a pocket passer (be it Warner or Collins or Harrington or Navarre). I think it's atough adjustment to make for the offense--both the line and the WRs. Since our passing game is predicated on timing, I worry about his scrambling throwing that timing off.

I like the idea of him as a starter in a couple of years with a training camp under his belt with that in mind, but a mid-season switch scares me a bit. For that reason I think it's a toss up between Young and Cutler for the Cardinals (though I think it's assured that the Cardinals won't have to make a choice between the two). Cutler is mobile, but not really a runner like Young. I think he suits the offense as-is better than Young, but young is clearly the better talent, IMO.

 

[kerouac9]

Any word on whether or not Rowen had to read the menu to Vince?

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Any word on whether or not Rowen had to read the menu to Vince?

The best thing about Vince Young not being able to read is that if he ever came to the board he wouldn't be subjected to your ********.

 

[kerouac9]

The best thing about Vince Young not being able to read is that if he ever came to the board he wouldn't be subjected to your ********.

Nice work, Mod. Perhaps you should check out the rules for the board regarding vulgarity. I like Vince at #10. I thought that might have been the reason the Vince asked Rowen out to dinner, is all.

Lighten up, bro.

 

[DieHardFromMO]

I like the pick if he's there, but I worry about him coming into a game in relief of a pocket passer (be it Warner or Collins or Harrington or Navarre). I think it's atough adjustment to make for the offense--both the line and the WRs. Since our passing game is predicated on timing, I worry about his scrambling throwing that timing off.

I like the idea of him as a starter in a couple of years with a training camp under his belt with that in mind, but a mid-season switch scares me a bit. For that reason I think it's a toss up between Young and Cutler for the Cardinals (though I think it's assured that the Cardinals won't have to make a choice between the two). Cutler is mobile, but not really a runner like Young. I think he suits the offense as-is better than Young, but young is clearly the better talent, IMO.

I see your point about Young coming in to replace Warner in case of injury. The style of play certainly clash. Of course McCown did a lot of running around in the backfield also in contrast to Warner.

 

[Kel Varnsen]

Don't ever trust Halliburton....

 

[abomb]

The best thing about Vince Young not being able to read is that if he ever came to the board he wouldn't be subjected to your ********.

Geez, lighten up. The board doesnt appreciate such vulgarity.

A-Bomb

 

[DieHardFromMO]

The latest from the site a lot of posters like to bash on this message board and always sight the bogus Rosevelt Colvin rumor to the Detroit Lions as their basis for why the website sucks, ProFootballTalk:

POSTED 3:00 p.m. EST; UPDATED 3:32 p.m. EST, March 23, 2006



TITANS TO TAKE VINCE?



A league insider with a proven knack for reading the tea leaves when it comes to discerning what teams will do in round one of the draft firmly believes that the Tennessee Titans are poised to select quarterback Vince Young with the No. 3 selection.

Echoing comments we've heard from others regarding Young's presence on the field and football intangibles, the source says that Young is a freak and that, when ignoring the measurables and looking merely at the tape, Young is clearly the best of the three quarterbacks projected to go early in this year's draft.

Although the Texans are heaping plenty of praise on the local product, the team that holds the No. 1 pick in the draft likely is erring on the side of not pissing off its fan base, many of whom already will be dismayed when the Texans choose USC tailback Reggie Bush. And although the Saints hope to trade down a bit and target a defensive player, only a swap with the Raiders at No. 7 would leave the Saints in position to get the guy they want. But then the question would be whether the Raiders would be willing to muster enough to make up for the 1,100-point gap on the trade chart between the value of the No. 2 pick (2,600 points) and No. 7 (1,500 points).

Still, it's possible that someone else might try to jump in front of the Titans, if the buzz surrounding Young continues to grow as draft day approaches.

The next major step in the process comes on April 2, when Bush and USC quarterback Matt Leinart work out at the Trojans' pro day. If Leinart, who isn't a stud in a T-shirt-and-shorts workout, doesn't wow scouts, it's possible that the race for the No. 1 could come down to Bush and Young.

Just like everyone thought it would be the morning after the Rose Bowl.