Cardinals' HC Search Thoughts Part V

[cardncubfan]

Didn't Raiders pull the same stunt with Gruden 10 days ago? It is in the realm of possibility the terms were agreed upon on the back of a tissue paper

Gruden was available for hire at any time. He wasn't coaching a team that's currently in the playoffs.

 

[Arz101]

Gruden was available for hire at any time. He wasn't coaching a team that's currently in the playoffs.

The gist was you can have a wink-wink nod-nod agreement. are you contesting that part?

 

[cardncubfan]

The gist was you can have a wink-wink nod-nod agreement. are you contesting that part?

They didn't need a wink-wink nod-nod agreement. They could have agreed at any time. Gruden was announcing games. He wasn't coaching. He could have agreed & signed on the dotted line a month ago. The coaches in the playoffs can't do that.

 

[cardncubfan]

Giants closing the deal on Shurmur. This is like free agency---the top ones go fast. No time for aded "let's get to know you better" visits. You have to know who you want and go full speed ahead.

I would prefer they take their time & make sure it's the right choice instead of trying to beat everyone to the punch. Rushing to judgement causes catastrophes.

 

[PDXChris]

But requests for new interviews had to be made earlier. No new request can be made now, until team is eliminated.

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Gottcha. I wasn't aware of that part. You learn something new everyday.

 

[JeffGollin]

Coached my son's Pop Warner team this past fall!

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Are you saying...that...

Kurt Warner coached a team in a league that was named for him?

 

[Arz101]

Nick Saban anyone?

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[Arz101]

Jurecki is on Munchak train since the beginning. FWIW

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[cardncubfan]

Why hasn't Frank Reich been mentioned? I think he would be a more likely candidate than DeFilippo.

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/team/coaches/frank-reich/20c7e5db-b60c-4732-9848-4eff7a236617

 

[Harry]

This is my fear as well. Listening to MB&SK say that Bettcher was their guy all along.

Harry, if you were making the call, who would be your top choices for HC?

Well as I predicted the good guys appear to be gone. 2 other reasonable options have taken coordinator positions. Would the Cards have the stones to ask for permission to interview them? It would be hard for a team to deny permission when it’s an HC job. Teryl Austin who just moved to the Bengals. Gruden grabbed up Paul Guenther. Both would be interesting choices. Vrabel or Del Rio have some potential. Del Rio seems to wear out his welcome. Vrabel is a little odd. There are no great choices.

David Shaw at Stanford is intriguing. Big risk, maybe big reward.

I wish I had a brilliant answer for you. Occam’s Razor would say the teams probably figured out the best guys and signed them.

 

[JeffGollin]

Well as I predicted the good guys appear to be gone. 2 other reasonable options have taken coordinator positions. Would the Cards have the stones to ask for permission to interview them? It would be hard for a team to deny permission when it’s an HC job. Teryl Austin who just moved to the Bengals. Gruden grabbed up Paul Guenther. Both would be interesting choices. Vrabel or Del Rio have some potential. Del Rio seems to wear out his welcome. Vrabel is a little odd. There are no great choices.

David Shaw at Stanford is intriguing. Big risk, maybe big reward.

I wish I had a brilliant answer for you. Occam’s Razor would say the teams probably figured out the best guys and signed them.

I like Shaw.

Vrabel is in play - an up and comer.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

A Bettcher or Munchak hiring will all but guarantee a Keim firing in ~3 years.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

I wonder if there have been any unknown or secret interviews with any college coaches...similar to what Indy has done.

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[RON_IN_OC]

A Bettcher or Munchak hiring will all but guarantee a Keim firing in ~3 years.

Well, when the owner is being this hands on with the 1st round of interviews, can you really lay it all on SK?

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[AsUpRoDiGy]

Well, when the owner is being this hands on with the 1st round of interviews, can you really lay it all on SK?

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Keim will surely be the scapegoat...especially after the stadium becomes a ghost town with a very uninspiring HC (Munchak, Bettcher).

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Keim will surely be the scapegoat...especially after the stadium becomes a ghost town with a very uninspiring HC (Munchak, Bettcher).

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[AsUpRoDiGy]

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Wilks in intriguing. Munchak would be a train-wreck.

 

[wa52lz]

how did they rank in offensive efficiency?

Better when the QB not named Warner was in

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[gimpy]

More tomorrow on "As the World Turns".

 

[TJ]

Haven't been paying attention at all to the Cardinals' coaching search as I've been overly invested in the UofA search. Seems to me that Wilks is the only decent option available, but I have no clue who he'd bring or retain as his coordinators and assistants. Everyone else named is straight doo doo.

So far, I've been underwhelmed by this search, but then again, we were the last team to hire a coach in 2013 and that was a success.

 

[iLLmatiC]

Let's hope to Christ it's Wilkes. I'll jump off a cliff if it's another Steeler retread.

 

[wa52lz]

Let's hope to Christ it's Wilkes. I'll jump off a cliff if it's another Steeler retread.

They were the two winningest HCs in franchise history, had us in the playoffs in year 2 and in the NFC championship game in yr three. Id take that again

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[iLLmatiC]

They were the two winningest HCs in franchise history, had us in the playoffs in year 2 and in the NFC championship game in yr three. Id take that again

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Fair point. I'm just tired of being called the Steelers West.

 

[GimmedaBall]

It would be a major surprise if any of the upper tier of coaching candidates picks the Cards.

The quickest route to failure in the NFL is to not have a competent QB. Cards don’t even have a QB under contract. That speaks to the team’s leadership under MB and SK for the past several years. How can you make any claim to being a quality team when you don’t even have at minimum a token representative of the single most important piece on the roster?

BA was a last-gasp hire and he came here with Stanton as his QB. BA was willing to take a head coaching job even without an established QB starter with BA stating that the Cards could win with Stanton. Cards got very lucky finding Palmer in the Oakland Raider discard bin. It is really too much to expect that kind of lightning to strike again for this team. We are more likely to fall into the Cleveland Brown black hole of failure.

The only rationale I can see for the last few years of BASK is that MB signed off (or maybe even required) that the Cards go into ‘WIN NOW’ mode to get a SB for his elderly father. That would explain why the Cards have focused on best-player available in the draft even as the developmental QB was passed over/not selected. It was a good gamble and the Cards came within a finger of at least advancing toward the SB for a chance at that trophy. Now the bill is coming due on that risky bet.

Did the Cards even make an offer for Garoppolo before the Pats traded him to SF? We would have to have traded our one to top the SF two in the upcoming draft to have a chance (of course SF could have countered with their #1 pick) opening a bidding war. With Garop the Cards could have extended the HC job to the Pats OC in a move mirroring the BA + Stanton hire. But those kind of moves are just not in the MBSK playbook. And this is another reason why an upper tier coaching candidate will take a flyer on the Cards coaching job—the front office and GM are too cautious when bold measures are called for. Shurmer has already experienced that kind of team in Cleveland.

Would you want to coach a team of aging players, no QB, no WR except an aging Larry, OL in shambles and facing possible retirements/cuts, an aging D that could coming crashing down due to injuries/retirements and a change in DC? If you say yes, give SK a call and maybe he will schedule an interview.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

It would be a major surprise if any of the upper tier of coaching candidates picks the Cards.

The quickest route to failure in the NFL is to not have a competent QB. Cards don’t even have a QB under contract. That speaks to the team’s leadership under MB and SK for the past several years. How can you make any claim to being a quality team when you don’t even have at minimum a token representative of the single most important piece on the roster?

BA was a last-gasp hire and he came here with Stanton as his QB. BA was willing to take a head coaching job even without an established QB starter with BA stating that the Cards could win with Stanton. Cards got very lucky finding Palmer in the Oakland Raider discard bin. It is really too much to expect that kind of lightning to strike again for this team. We are more likely to fall into the Cleveland Brown black hole of failure.

The only rationale I can see for the last few years of BASK is that MB signed off (or maybe even required) that the Cards go into ‘WIN NOW’ mode to get a SB for his elderly father. That would explain why the Cards have focused on best-player available in the draft even as the developmental QB was passed over/not selected. It was a good gamble and the Cards came within a finger of at least advancing toward the SB for a chance at that trophy. Now the bill is coming due on that risky bet.

Did the Cards even make an offer for Garoppolo before the Pats traded him to SF? We would have to have traded our one to top the SF two in the upcoming draft to have a chance (of course SF could have countered with their #1 pick) opening a bidding war. With Garop the Cards could have extended the HC job to the Pats OC in a move mirroring the BA + Stanton hire. But those kind of moves are just not in the MBSK playbook. And this is another reason why an upper tier coaching candidate will take a flyer on the Cards coaching job—the front office and GM are too cautious when bold measures are called for. Shurmer has already experienced that kind of team in Cleveland.

Would you want to coach a team of aging players, no QB, no WR except an aging Larry, OL in shambles and facing possible retirements/cuts, an aging D that could coming crashing down due to injuries/retirements and a change in DC? If you say yes, give SK a call and maybe he will schedule an interview.

Holy Heck...Jimmy G was NEVER coming to AZ...NEVER...SF was handpicked by Billyboy...He initiated the trade to them...not the other way around. Cleveland offered TWO first round picks for Jimmy G. Billyboy wanted to dump Brady (remember, his philosophy is dump a year early, instead of late), but Brady and Kraft have a strong relationship and Kraft told Billyboy to trade Jimmy G...Instead of taking the best deal he could, on the open market, he took a sweetheart deal from San Fran (trumors say it was to stick it to Kraft, more than helping Jimmy G out).