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Yes, but what's significant is that the CARDS could have given him permission to postulate for other openings, and they didn't.
Cardinals Head Coaching Candidates 2023
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Yes, but what's significant is that the CARDS could have given him permission to postulate for other openings, and they didn't.
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Vance never spoke out, Vance never pulled KK aside, Vance never went to bat for KK and Vance and KK did not seem to we've work together. Vance, IMHO, failed.
Part of the speculation is that he needs to get out of Reid's shadow if he wants a HC position. Showing he can do some stuff without Kyler for a time, and with him would certainly help his case.
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Brian Flores opted for bird in the hand in Minnesota
One of the strangest stories of the week came from Minnesota, by way of Arizona.
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SoonerLou
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I just gotta say its impressive how Bidwill has come out looking better than Kyler in the media for 2 straight offseasons.
CFLredzoned
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Yeah right. The bird phone must be ringing off the hook with those Billy Davis interview requests.
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Where does any of that come from?
Was VJ, a subordinate to KK, supposed to make public comments about his direct boss?
And how would anyone know if VJ pulled KK aside for a chat?
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Brian Flores opted for bird in the hand in Minnesota
One of the strangest stories of the week came from Minnesota, by way of Arizona.
So I'm not the only one using the 'bird in hand' analogy, panned by some.
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Sure, but he probably can find a gig without concerning himself with when his #1 QB will be available.
Why is my opinion bothering you?
This is who I see it. Vance was hired to help KK, that as public knowledge. He failed IMHO.
Also, we never saw it once. Not even in Hard Knocks. How many HK scenes did they even have together?
Well he's had Mahomes as an OC since 2018, where are all these jobs coming from? Usually they get poached with the "success" he's had, especially the best offense and the best QB since that time, and even working with likes of Hunt and Charles as RB coach before that.
Either he's not getting offers or he likes his cushy gig at whatever capacity and may not desire to move out and find his own success. Teams that typically have openings are not championship type teams, he's gotta downgrade at some point.
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Chopper0080
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This is probably the most damaging part of all of this. Even if Vance is kept, they still have to bring in an entirely new staff.
I mean at this point, just let Vance go. Only creates more problems keeping him now.
RON_IN_OC
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That would be frustrating. It's blaming the dog for bad behavior, when the owner has no clue how to train the dog.
Like I said the Cardinals cast their net so far and wide that by the time they pulled it back in and it was empty all of the big fish had swam off to somewhere else. Flores went for the sure thing.Brian Flores opted for bird in the hand in Minnesota
One of the strangest stories of the week came from Minnesota, by way of Arizona.
Jetstream Green
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Might sound off if VJ sees himself as a DC or even a head coach which he probably rightfully so expects at this point, but could it be he is being held to hold a different position to fill out the defensive staff like secondary or LB coach
Jasper
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VJ was like the maverick of wingmen. He did KK no favors. At the very least get the defense to be playing decent and he couldn't even do that.
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Anyone know if any other teams requested to interview VJ?
kerouac9
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I think there are several explanations for this. One is that Kyler was injured for basically all of HK. Two is that I think Kliff and Kyler's relationship had deteriorated to the point that it was less useful to have Kliff in the QB room than managing elsewhere. Three is that Kliff I think decided that he needed to be less hands-on with the offense and let people do their work so that he could do Head Coach Stuff.
Hard Knock is about building narratives. Jared Goff said on Slow News Day that the only request he had for them last training camp was for them to stay out of the QB room; a request they respected. Maybe they were told not to film Kyler and Kliff.
I'm sure Vance has contacts all over the NFL and can easily bring in a new staff of defensive assistants. These guys don't need to be chess champions; position coaches are usually focused on teaching and fundamentals.
Mark22
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A lot of “never” considering you and nobody would know what did or didn’t happen in the building
So then it should he easy to find a single quote from Vance supporting KK or video on the sidelines of him pulling him aside.
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GMFB is not the same <sigh> That Jamie gal who replaced her is sooooooo annoying, sounds like she inhales helium before she talks. Blech!I have to give Payton credit for not staring at Kay too long. I would have failed.
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I have no problem with you having an opinion, but the support seems rather flimsy, given the lack of firm evidence.
