Cardinals need to make a push for Mike Wallace

[Cheesebeef]

Of course, that first season with Philly was far below his previous four-year average in receptions and yards, but don't post anything that might dispute your firmly held opinion that receivers are movable parts.

lol... if you're talking about Owens' first year in Philly don't both posting that his overall numbers of 1200 yards and 14 TDs were far below his previous four year average in receptions and yards because... i don't know...he missed the last two games of the season? but why would you post anything that might dispute your firmly held opinion that receivers AREN'T movable parts... you know... like how Wes Welker was able to dominate. The notion that out of all the guys that came to mind, he didn't is pretty laughable dude.

it's hit or miss with WRs just like it is at pretty much most positions. But there's no doubt that TO, Welker, Rice, Galloway (once he got healthy), Brandon Marshall and Moss (once he got on a team with a QB) all were able to either maintain their levels or improve them.

Not to mention you threw Plaxico Burress in there as a sign of a bust... but in his first three seasons with the Giants, he had 3300 yards and 29 TDs to 2880 yards and 16 TDs. Wouldn't you call that maintaining or raising his level of success?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Pariah, can you think of a single instance of a high-profile WR changing teams and it working out? I'm not talking about Wes Welker leaving for a second- and fourth-round pick, I mean a pro bowl caliber WR changing teams for a big contract and it working out.

Two teams tried to do it with Joey Galloway and both walked away with regrets.

When the best-case scenario is Mushin Muhammad with the Bears, I hope that some team does it, and it's another team in the NFC West.

I just don't get this... how is the best case scenario not TO, Plaxico Burress, Brandon Marshall or Wes Welker? All of those guys either maintained their level of success or got better with new teams? Anbd how do you exclude Welker from the conversation but then later list Az-hakim and Deion Branch as examples of busts? that's just ludicrous.

 

[1DS]

Pariah, can you think of a single instance of a high-profile WR changing teams and it working out? I'm not talking about Wes Welker leaving for a second- and fourth-round pick, I mean a pro bowl caliber WR changing teams for a big contract and it working out.

Two teams tried to do it with Joey Galloway and both walked away with regrets.

When the best-case scenario is Mushin Muhammad with the Bears, I hope that some team does it, and it's another team in the NFC West.

Brandon Marshall is the best example I can think of.

It's rare for teams to let any superstar go to another team, maybe even moreso for a WR.

I think most of the time when a team lets a Superstar WR go to another fanchise, he is usually past his prime (see Boldin) and that is the biggest reason we are not seeing more examples like Brandon Marshall.

 

[Duckjake]

Brandon Marshall is the best example I can think of.

It's rare for teams to let any superstar go to another team, maybe even moreso for a WR.

I think most of the time when a team lets a Superstar WR go to another fanchise, he is usually past his prime (see Boldin) and that is the biggest reason we are not seeing more examples like Brandon Marshall.

Boldin wasn't past his prime. Last season he had the highest average yards per catch of his entire career. The Ravens just don't have a pass oriented offense like Arizona. Baltimore plays grown azz man football. (Something I think we're going to see from now on from the Cardinals as long as CKW is HC in Arizona), Boldin is a perfect fit for them.

 

[Russ Smith]

A first-rounder and a ton of money? Really? Under the new CBA, where someone like Blackmon is going to get paid like $8 million over 4 years? I think you're overestimating Mike Wallace.

Wallace is a very good player in the Steelers' offense, but it's in the Steelers' offense with Ben Roethlisberger delivering him the ball. I've gone over before how difficult it is to predict how a receivers' skills are going to translate across franchises.

Randy Moss went from Minnesota to Oakland for a first-rounder and a ton of money, and was a huge bust for them. Do you think that Wallace is of similar skill to Randy Moss?

Comeon you know that's because moss quit on the Raiders though.

 

[Chopper0080]

Would love it but the Steelers wont ever let him go. We have a better shot at Brees.

The Steelers might not have a choice. Schefter reports that they are 20 million over the cap, and teams can make offer sheets to Mike Wallace at a dollar amount the Steelers could not match ala Steve Hutchinson from Seattle to Minnesota.

I would not be surprised if a team with multiple picks (New England) or late picks (Chicago, San Fran, Baltimore, New England) decide that their need for a top WR trumps a later draft pick,structure the offer to Wallace in a way the Steelers can't match, and the Steelers end up losing him.

I would have to think New England would be the front runner in all of this.

 

[kerouac9]

Comeon you know that's because moss quit on the Raiders though.

Because they couldn't get him the ball. Do you think that Moss came in and got paid and then was like, "Imma not get injured for the next two years--until we get good"?

What do you think of Mitchell Schwartz? You're a Cal guy, but I haven't heard you say anything about him. OT of the future?

 

[sportznutt]

According to NFL Network's Jason La Canfora, there is "real concern" in the Steelers' front office that they may lose restricted free agent Mike Wallace.

The Steelers are in a tough spot because they're so tight up against the salary cap. They'll place a first-round tender on Wallace, but a franchise tag isn't financially doable, and the tender would leave Pittsburgh vulnerable to teams willing to surrender a first-round pick. La Canfora mentioned the division-rival Ravens and Patriots as teams potentially interested in Wallace. Baltimore drafts at No. 29, and New England has two first-round picks.

rotoworld

 

[Cheesebeef]

man, Wallace would be a GREAT addition for the Pats, especially if they're able to keep Welker. Welker, Wallace, Gronkowski and Hernandez would be a freaking NASTY receiving corps.

 

[Stout]

Word here in the 'Burgh is that they'll find a way to franchise him if they can't sign him long-term. They don't want to lose him. Some sports talk show guys opine that they may not be able to afford to franchise him, but most believe that they'll find a way.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Word here in the 'Burgh is that they'll find a way to franchise him if they can't sign him long-term. They don't want to lose him. Some sports talk show guys opine that they may not be able to afford to franchise him, but most believe that they'll find a way.

But, some team may see using a late first rounder as fair compensation and scoop him up that way.

 

[kerouac9]

But, some team may see using a late first rounder as fair compensation and scoop him up that way.

If Pitt puts the Franchise tag on him, it would be 2 first rounders as compensation.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Jerry Rice:
1200 yards and 7 TDs and pro bowl for Oakland in 2002. At age 40! That sucks too. Rice was 42 when he played for Seattle.

That was my only player I wanted to comment on. I would take Jerry Rice when Oakland did. Rice still did a good job in Oakland.

Speaking of Jerry Rice, why a Jerry Rice is worth a 1st round pick and Wallace is not, is because Rice was a COMPLETE reciever, and Wallace is a single deep threat who doesn't have a full route tree he can run, and lacks other intangiblies that I would personally look for in a player that I am using a ton of money and a 1st round pick on.

Not to mention I think this "we need a burner" talk is fabircated. Our receivers get open just fine, but they fail to catch the ball in clutch situations.

I would take Garcon if we want to spend the money AND drop Doucet. If we keep Doucet I would be fine with the Cardinals just bringing in another big WR that is not named Stephen Williams.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

If Pitt puts the Franchise tag on him, it would be 2 first rounders as compensation.

Yes, but, the word is they can't afford it and will use the first round tender.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

That was my only player I wanted to comment on. I would take Jerry Rice when Oakland did. Rice still did a good job in Oakland.

Speaking of Jerry Rice, why a Jerry Rice is worth a 1st round pick and Wallace is not, is because Rice was a COMPLETE reciever, and Wallace is a single deep threat who doesn't have a full route tree he can run, and lacks other intangiblies that I would personally look for in a player that I am using a ton of money and a 1st round pick on.

Not to mention I think this "we need a burner" talk is fabircated. Our receivers get open just fine, but they fail to catch the ball in clutch situations.

I would take Garcon if we want to spend the money AND drop Doucet. If we keep Doucet I would be fine with the Cardinals just bringing in another big WR that is not named Stephen Williams.

I've no problem with Garcon instead of Doucet, but the dropsy problem doesn't go away with him. And catching balls in "clutch" situations, putting aside a few of the Doucet drops, also involves throwing a catchable ball. This calls for more accuracy than the general vicinity of the w/o. I saw some pretty extraordinary catches by all of our w/o on passes from Mr. Fordham, which were barely in normal range.

 

[Mitch]

One of the points Big Ben emphasized to Todd Haley was "please, please, please get them to re-sign Mike Wallace."

The Steelers will figure this one out---there is no question. Wallace isn't going anywhere.

 

[Russ Smith]

Because they couldn't get him the ball. Do you think that Moss came in and got paid and then was like, "Imma not get injured for the next two years--until we get good"?

What do you think of Mitchell Schwartz? You're a Cal guy, but I haven't heard you say anything about him. OT of the future?

The paper says Schwartz is moving up. hard to say the QB situation was so bad the last couple of years and RB's were down this year so hard to really tell if an OL was good or not.

on Moss the point is he would literally stop on routes, or not jump for passes so he was literally causing the QB's to be even worse than they already were.

It was like he went through camp, realized we're not very good, and just decided to dog it until they traded him.

 

[Snakester]

I would like to get him just to piss the Steelers off. He would give us the deep threat that we need opposite Fits to, but mainly it would piss the Steelers off.

 

[Stout]

If Pitt puts the Franchise tag on him, it would be 2 first rounders as compensation.

Exactly. Just a few short days ago, there was NO WAY he would be given the RFA tender, because a team like the Pats would sign him and give up that late first. It was a fait accompli that, without a long-term deal, he would get the franchise tag.

The issue is changing by the day here in Pittsburgh, though, and is becoming a manifestation of the 'where there is smoke, there is fire' saying. Now it is being reported that they may not franchise him, that they may risk the RFA designation, because they are in so much cap hell.

Basically, nobody really knows what will happen, and it is driving the sports community here in Pittsburgh absolutely crazy. And I love that

 

[Buckybird]

Heard today Rapistberger reworked his contract saving the Stealers another $8mil on this year cap...they're getting close to keeping Wallace, so cross him off the list.

 

[Chopper0080]

Schefter reporting that Mike Wallace is expected to receive the restricted tag, not the franchise tag.

Other sources site the 49ers to be the ideal suitor.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Schefter reporting that Mike Wallace is expected to receive the restricted tag, not the franchise tag.

Other sources site the 49ers to be the ideal suitor.

That's my view. They have a late first round pick and can front load the contract making it impossible for cash strapped Pitt to match.

 

[BigRedRage]

no thank you on a first for a WR.

 

[BigRedRage]

PS smart move you either get him at the price you want or you get a first rounder.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

PS smart move you either get him at the price you want or you get a first rounder.

"ONLY" move available to Pitt.

How "smart" it is?

We will know when Big Ben looks downfield and he's not there.