Cardinals Ownership blamed for QB Mess

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Oh, it's false just because you say so? Put down the peyote, man. Are you saying you're actually quite comfortable with Brian Robinson starting over Dan Williams? I don't think you'd be dumb enough to say that, but I have to make sure ;)

It's false because I wnt back and watched the play and exactly how I described it is what happened. Not how you make it sound. He stood up the OL and held his ground for a good second. Then when he tried to disengage and turn to tackle gore his feet get turned and off balance. that's when he gets driven back 5 yards not 10 and falls backward 7 yards at most.

You make it sound as though he was just manhandled and that just plainly wasn't the case at all. Just bad footwork.

BTW of course I prefer Dan williams duh! :)
 

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It's false because I wnt back and watched the play and exactly how I described it is what happened. Not how you make it sound. He stood up the OL and held his ground for a good second. Then when he tried to disengage and turn to tackle gore his feet get turned and off balance. that's when he gets driven back 5 yards not 10 and falls backward 7 yards at most.

You make it sound as though he was just manhandled and that just plainly wasn't the case at all. Just bad footwork.

BTW of course I prefer Dan williams duh! :)

Yeah, we don't see it the same way, clearly.

Oh, and how was his first play this week? Ran blindly down the line as the running back runs behind him. If the idiot holds his point as a NT should, the run is stuffed for no gain. So he's not even a crafty vet.

Thankfully you agree and want Williams in there.
 

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But comparing him to Cutler is ludicrious. Culter has actually accomplished things in this league, has a cannon arm, and has been a starter since near the beginning. Matt Leinart hasn't done ANY of that and likely will follow the Jesse Palmer career route, first heading to the Bachelor and then ESPN.

- You seem to be a pretty educated fan bug, but to say why should guys be persecuted for not working as hard as Manning and Brady is ridicuous. The QB is the leader on your team and as he goes, much of the team goes.

Maybe other teams are okay with him being a average worker. I for one am glad Whisenhunt isn't one of them.

Well, that makes two of us who are educated fans then, eh? :D But let's dig in.


Who says I was comparing Cutler and Leinart based on their fantasy numbers or stats on the back of a football card? I was doing it in other areas.

Cutler and Leinart were both run out of town by a coach who wanted nothing to do with them. Most people view both of them as a little lazy, a little cocky, a little immature, a little lacking in the "rah-rah" leadership style and up until this season when Cutler finally got over the hump, neither had been under center for a playoff run.

Any of that untrue?

Regarding the average worker comment:

The thing is you don't hear heaps of praise given to Roethlisberger, Aaron Rodgers, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco or Phillip Rivers for their work ethic when NFL experts or scouts talk about them. Yet they seem to have done pretty well for themselves.

But everytime someone talks about Brady, Manning or Brees, it is "he is like a coach on the field, first one in the building and last one out." Almost verbatim anytime someone writes about those three.

Which by the way, nobody ever said about Kurt Warner either, even if he rightfully received praise for his talent and leadership ability. But in all the years he played, nobody ever used the "first one in the building, the last one to leave." Yet that is more or less what was demanded from Leinart.



BSP had been in the NFL for 7 seasons and only thrown 5 passes, and then when he finally does get a start stinks up the joint. How in the world does he stay employed that long?

Wasn't he on the roster in Pittsburgh as a 3rd or 4th stringer when Whis was still with the Steelers? Pretty sure he was, because a few years ago some nutcase Steelers fan was actually hit with criminal charges for impersonating Brian St. Pierre in bars to help pick up women. No joke.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/matthew_waxman/07/19/roethlisberger/index.html


Since Whis was with St. Pierre in Pittsburgh, that says all anyone needs to know about how he ended up in Arizona.

But your point is very valid. I think the average NFL GM and coach just sign whatever second and third string QB is convenient without putting a lick of thought into the fact that whatever random guy they sign is only one unlucky snap away from playing the rest of the season at any given moment.
 

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