Cardinals Sign Safety Terrence Holt to Five Year Deal

[General Chaos]

I care about your thoughts, General...you have been a good contributor for quite some time.

Hey thanks Mitch

 

[azdad1978]

ok signing

 

[Duckjake]

He has decent size but is not very physical. Holt will play run support yet misses too many tackles in the open field and all too often grabs ballcarriers rather than tackling them. Holt must improve the run support and tackling portions of his game.

I hope this isn't true considering how many open field tackles Robert Griffith had to make last year.

 

[ThunderCard]

So we got a weak free safety and a backup center for 30+ million. We still don't have a LT, SLB, or a decent corner. I am headed back to the darkside .... I personally thought that Millen is the worst GM, but it might be Graves after this fiasco. Is it all Bidwill ??

 

[JeffGollin]

Holt plays safety more like a quarterback, getting the defense lined up properly and communicating adjustments according to the offensive formation and alignment.

Holt brings very good football savvy and awareness to the position and is a good on-field leader with strong recognition skills...yet is forced to make up for his lack of top-end speed with preparation and anticipation....In Detroit's base Tampa Cover 2 scheme, Holt is very solid, but he can become a liability if asked to play too much man coverage.

Sounds like a younger version of Robert Griffith.

Going into free agency, it seemed to me that a glaring need in our secondary was a FS with enough speed to cover ground to provide deep support to our corners in man situations. The write-ups suggest that Holt can't give us that.

If the write-ups are accurate (not that they're always 100% spot-on), the signing, of Holt represents more in the order of adding quality depth to what we've already got than upgrading our front end DB talent.

Either our corners will have to improve dramatically their man coverage techniques or you're going to see us play a lot of Cover 2 accompanied by more conservative pass rush schemes than many fans here would like to see.

 

[Totally_Red]

Sounds like a younger version of Robert Griffith.

Going into free agency, it seemed to me that a glaring need in our secondary was a FS with enough speed to cover ground to provide deep support to our corners in man situations. The write-ups suggest that Holt can't give us that.

If the write-ups are accurate (not that they're always 100% spot-on), the signing, of Holt represents more in the order of adding quality depth to what we've already got than upgrading our front end DB talent.

Either our corners will have to improve dramatically their man coverage techniques or you're going to see us play a lot of Cover 2 accompanied by more conservative pass rush schemes than many fans here would like to see.

It could be he's a one-year plug, they draft Laron Landry, and cut Holt next year. At least they split his roster bonus, so if he is not durable or just plain sucks this year, it's not as painful to cut him in the offseason.

The most troubling part of the evals is his lack of physicality. That was the best part of Robert Griffin's game IMO. It's true that both Aaron Francisco and Adrian Wilson bring that element, so maybe its not as critical.

 

[General Chaos]

Sounds like a younger version of Robert Griffith.

Going into free agency, it seemed to me that a glaring need in our secondary was a FS with enough speed to cover ground to provide deep support to our corners in man situations. The write-ups suggest that Holt can't give us that.

If the write-ups are accurate (not that they're always 100% spot-on), the signing, of Holt represents more in the order of adding quality depth to what we've already got than upgrading our front end DB talent.

Either our corners will have to improve dramatically their man coverage techniques or you're going to see us play a lot of Cover 2 accompanied by more conservative pass rush schemes than many fans here would like to see.

Griffith was so slow last year that Holt can really provide better range. His insticts are what this defense needs. We have plenty of freakish athletes that guess to much, Holt can at least properly diagnose plays and react to them.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

It could be he's a one-year plug, they draft Laron Landry, and cut Holt next year. At least they split his roster bonus, so if he is not durable or just plain sucks this year, it's not as painful to cut him in the offseason.

The most troubling part of the evals is his lack of physicality. That was the best part of Robert Griffin's game IMO. It's true that both Aaron Francisco and Adrian Wilson bring that element, so maybe its not as critical.

Well, let's keep in mind that was precisely what was said about Green coming out of College, and he's been a pretty good banger in the big show.

 

[Doc Cardinal]

It could be he's a one-year plug, they draft Laron Landry, and cut Holt next year. At least they split his roster bonus, so if he is not durable or just plain sucks this year, it's not as painful to cut him in the offseason.

The most troubling part of the evals is his lack of physicality. That was the best part of Robert Griffin's game IMO. It's true that both Aaron Francisco and Adrian Wilson bring that element, so maybe its not as critical.

That's pretty friggin dumb.....sign someone that you plan to cut. Give Whiz and the boys a little more intelligence credit than that.

You go Thomas....or Gaines....or Peterson....or BPA at your #5 pick.

 

[Heucrazy]

Griffith was so slow last year that Holt can really provide better range. His insticts are what this defense needs. We have plenty of freakish athletes that guess to much, Holt can at least properly diagnose plays and react to them.

 

[General Chaos]

Basically all im saying is that last year we played with 2 SS all year. Holt is more of A FS.

 

[Ryanwb]

Griffith always tried for the big hit instead of making a solid tackle.

 

[TheCardFan]

I think they will draft a SS in the mid rounds to back-up AW. We have a very young DB group.

 

[MadCardDisease]

I think they will draft a SS in the mid rounds to back-up AW. We have a very young DB group.

Francisco can back up both positions. Also Milligan could be thrown in at SS if the need arises.

 

[TheCardFan]

Francisco can back up both positions. Also Milligan could be thrown in at SS if the need arises.

Understood...however, I still think they address the position in the draft.

 

[Mulli]

Francisco can back up both positions. Also Mulligan could be thrown in at SS if the need arises.

I don't think they would want me any where near the field. But thanks just the same.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Understood...however, I still think they address the position in the draft.

I think they will have more pressing needs to address and they only have 6 picks this year. OT, OLB, CB, QB, FB, TE, DE and WR/KR all need to be addressed before they worry about a safety.

 

[TheCardFan]

I think they will have more pressing needs to address and they only have 6 picks this year. OT, OLB, CB, QB, FB, TE, DE and WR/KR all need to be addressed before they worry about a safety.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I think they will have more pressing needs to address and they only have 6 picks this year. OT, OLB, CB, QB, FB, TE, DE and WR/KR all need to be addressed before they worry about a safety.

Do you actually think that a QB, (we have three on staff) is a more important need than a bonified, experienced free safety?

OT - yes, but I'll trust Grimm at this point, especially given that two tight end sets will be the base attack.

OLB, ok. but at some point the drafted guys have to show up and prove themselves.

A blocking FB, maybe - but we have a few H-back types on the roster that may answer the need. (Whis, as an old H-back probably likes the idea)

A blocking TE (well, we have Wakefield if need be, and he's cheap)

WR/KR - we have Spurlock as a no. 4 or 5 receiver and returner, and he impressed me in limited action last year

And, finally - we probably have another first day pick for losing BIG - therefore - (7) - 4 on first day.

 

[General Chaos]

Do you actually think that a QB, (we have three on staff) is a more important need than a bonified, experienced free safety?

OT - yes, but I'll trust Grimm at this point, especially given that two tight end sets will be the base attack.

OLB, ok. but at some point the drafted guys have to show up and prove themselves.

A blocking FB, maybe - but we have a few H-back types on the roster that may answer the need. (Whis, as an old H-back probably likes the idea)

A blocking TE (well, we have Wakefield if need be, and he's cheap)

WR/KR - we have Spurlock as a no. 4 or 5 receiver and returner, and he impressed me in limited action last year

And, finally - we probably have another first day pick for losing BIG - therefore - (7) - 4 on first day.

If we get a comp pick for Big it wouldn't be til next year.

 

[Zeno]

Do you actually think that a QB, (we have three on staff) is a more important need than a bonified, experienced free safety?

OT - yes, but I'll trust Grimm at this point, especially given that two tight end sets will be the base attack. having a 2 TE set doesn't minimiz the importance of the OT

OLB, ok. but at some point the drafted guys have to show up and prove themselves. or not, we strike out more often than not at LB in the draft, Hayes and Dansby being the exceptions

A blocking FB, maybe - but we have a few H-back types on the roster that may answer the need. (Whis, as an old H-back probably likes the idea)One of their first offseason targets was a fullback though

A blocking TE (well, we have Wakefield if need be, and he's cheap)I don't think Wakefield is under contract

WR/KR - we have Spurlock as a no. 4 or 5 receiver and returner, and he impressed me in limited action last year

And, finally - we probably have another first day pick for losing BIG - therefore - (7) - 4 on first day.We won't get any compensation for Big until next season and if we sign more than we lose we may get no compensation at all or if we are lucky a 6th or 7th rounder

I think Free Sfaety was a huge need though but we still have work to do to fill other holes.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Do you actually think that a QB, (we have three on staff) is a more important need than a bonified, experienced free safety?

OT - yes, but I'll trust Grimm at this point, especially given that two tight end sets will be the base attack.

OLB, ok. but at some point the drafted guys have to show up and prove themselves.

A blocking FB, maybe - but we have a few H-back types on the roster that may answer the need. (Whis, as an old H-back probably likes the idea)

A blocking TE (well, we have Wakefield if need be, and he's cheap)

WR/KR - we have Spurlock as a no. 4 or 5 receiver and returner, and he impressed me in limited action last year

And, finally - we probably have another first day pick for losing BIG - therefore - (7) - 4 on first day.

Uh, isn't that why we just signed Holt? To start at FS.

We absolutely need another QB. Warner probably has one more year left in him. He almost retired this year. We need to start grooming our backup right now.

The Cardinals have been looking at FBs in FA but haven't been sucessful at signing one.

There is a reason why the Cardinals brought in Kelly and were disappointed when he resigned witht the Bengals. They want to add a quality Blocking TE. That hole still remains.

Whiz has already said that we need to add a WR/KR and that it will most likely be done through the draft.

If we get a compensatory pick for Big it won't be until next year.

 

[joeshmo]

And, finally - we probably have another first day pick for losing BIG - therefore - (7) - 4 on first day.

1. People have already said it but comp picks are based off of previous seasons free agency period.

2. The most improtant forumla when trying to figure our a comp picks is how many quality free agents did you loss compared to quality free agents to signed. As of right now we have sign 2 quality free agents (Holt and Johnson) and only lost 1 (Davis). So if we did get a draft pick it would be a late one, not even close to a first day. Now if we sign even one more quality free agent I highly doubt we get a single comp pick next year. But what could help in still getting a low comp pick even if we do sign another quality free agent is if Macklin gets quality free agent type contract or not.

3. Even though we didnt loss any quaility free agents last year and sign 3 quality free agents we should not be getting any comp picks at all. But each draft needs to have 255 picks. There are never enough comp picks given out each year to get the pick total up tp 255 picks. So what the league does is they take the top of the 1st round and start giving those teams comp picks at the end of the 7th round to get the pick total up to 255. If a team is in the top 5 they are pretty much gauranteed to get one of those picks. So lets say after the comp picks are given out there are only 250 picks that means we will be given a comp pick which would be the last pick in the draft. If there are 249 picks then we will get the 2nd to last pick in the draft.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

1. People have already said it but comp picks are based off of previous seasons free agency period.

2. The most improtant forumla when trying to figure our a comp picks is how many quality free agents did you loss compared to quality free agents to signed. As of right now we have sign 2 quality free agents (Holt and Johnson) and only lost 1 (Davis). So if we did get a draft pick it would be a late one, not even close to a first day. Now if we sign even one more quality free agent I highly doubt we get a single comp pick next year. But what could help in still getting a low comp pick even if we do sign another quality free agent is if Macklin gets quality free agent type contract or not.

3. Even though we didnt loss any quaility free agents last year and sign 3 quality free agents we should not be getting any comp picks at all. But each draft needs to have 255 picks. There are never enough comp picks given out each year to get the pick total up tp 255 picks. So what the league does is they take the top of the 1st round and start giving those teams comp picks at the end of the 7th round to get the pick total up to 255. If a team is in the top 5 they are pretty much gauranteed to get one of those picks. So lets say after the comp picks are given out there are only 250 picks that means we will be given a comp pick which would be the last pick in the draft. If there are 249 picks then we will get the 2nd to last pick in the draft.

Thanks for clearing that up, Joe.

 

[AntSports Steve]

FB & TE :

Wakefield is a Raider. He's not a Cardinal.

Under contract right now the Cards have :

FB Obafemi - not really a blocking FB. More of a 3rd down FB.
FB AJ. Schable - He's listed as a FB, but isn't he a DT?

TE Pope - 2nd round player. Not much of a blocker. Pass catcher.
TE Shor - practice squad player.

That's it. That's all for FB or TE that's on the roster. There are no HBs listed on the roster.