Cards bringing Whitehurst in for Visit

[MoeIsBetter]

I will agree with you though. If Whiz wants to draft a QB as high as the 3rd round, I'd rather see what Whitehurst has. The QB draft class reeks of failure. One of the big reasons I don't want to spend a 3rd on a QB lol.

 

[MoeIsBetter]

I'm not in favour of giving up a third round pick, which, frankly, as pointed out is just a designation that allows San Diego to protect an asset. But, if he checks out to Whiz's satisfaction, I'd certainly be favourable to some sort of negotiation to get him in as our number 2.

I know what we have in BSP, and certainly don't want him in if something happens to Matt.

I understand that I'm just not in the boat that says trade a pick for an unproven player(unless its our 6th or 7th round), especially one that cant sniff playing time. If we used a higher pick and traded for a starting ILB, or a starting DT, or even a starting QB, no problems.

 

[Catfish]

Really?

How many passes by BSP in regular season games?

(Let me help: 2 completions in 5 attempts over 7 years)

Looks like equal stats-----without BSP's bad back to deal with to me.

 

[Mainstreet]

I'm not wanting to go through the pros and cons again of Leinart as the starting QB, but perhaps if this trade is made it may reflect the confidence level (or lack thereof) the Cardinals have in Leinart. IMO, it's who the Cardinals bring in to backup Leinart that reflects their confidence in him. Are the Cardinals just looking for a backup QB or someone that might challenge him as a starter.

Please no BSP.

 

[binkar]

The fact that he has thrown 2 passes in the regular season since 2006. Why waste a pick of any sort on this guy when we at least know BSP can do more than that.

You can't possibly think this is a good argument. Often very good QB's have to wait their turn behind better veterans ala Steve Young, Aaron Rogers, etc... Not saying Rivers is Montana or Favre, but he is one of the top QB's in the league. Nor am I saying Whitehurst is Rogers or Young, but your logic is flawed.

 

[MoeIsBetter]

I'm not wanting to go through the pros and cons again of Leinart as the starting QB, but perhaps if this trade is made it may reflect the confidence level (or lack thereof) the Cardinals have in Leinart. IMO, it's who the Cardinals bring in to backup Leinart that reflects their confidence in him. Are the Cardinals just looking for a backup QB or someone that might challenge him as a starter.

Please no BSP.

See this one is tricky for me. If they bring in someone just to back up Leinart (and Leinart ends up sucking) well then next year you're left with your thumb up your arse looking to replace someone one the flash. Where if you bring in a guy who could start if Leinart sucks (but Leinart does great) then you could trade him the next offseason. Either way, Leinart gets the year to prove himself.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

See this one is tricky for me. If they bring in someone just to back up Leinart (and Leinart ends up sucking) well then next year you're left with your thumb up your arse looking to replace someone one the flash. Where if you bring in a guy who could start if Leinart sucks (but Leinart does great) then you could trade him the next offseason. Either way, Leinart gets the year to prove himself.

Only the Colts were brave (or stupid?) enough to have Jim Sorgi as a backup to Peyton. The name of the game is "winning" and the choice whether young or old is that, if need be, your number 2 can win.

If Whiz believes Whitehurst meets the criteria, then I have no reason to question his judgment.

 

[dogpoo32]

I'm not wanting to go through the pros and cons again of Leinart as the starting QB, but perhaps if this trade is made it may reflect the confidence level (or lack thereof) the Cardinals have in Leinart. IMO, it's who the Cardinals bring in to backup Leinart that reflects their confidence in him. Are the Cardinals just looking for a backup QB or someone that might challenge him as a starter.

Please no BSP.

We have 1 QB on the roster. We need backups any way you slice it, and by your logic, this would be a huge vote of confidence in Leinart. A QB who has never thrown a pass in a game situation is not going to compete with him for the starting position. He's a roster filler who has been in the league long enough to hopefully grasp the system quickly and step in in case of injury.

 

[Mainstreet]

We have 1 QB on the roster. We need backups any way you slice it, and by your logic, this would be a huge vote of confidence in Leinart. A QB who has never thrown a pass in a game situation is not going to compete with him for the starting position. He's a roster filler who has been in the league long enough to hopefully grasp the system quickly and step in in case of injury.

If you think Leinart has demonstrated he is a legitimate starting QB in the NFL and does not need the competition. I'm not in this camp yet until he proves it. IMO, Leinart is slow reading defenses and making decisions. The Cardinals better have a good year running the ball.

 

[JeffGollin]

The fact that he has thrown 2 passes in the regular season since 2006. Why waste a pick of any sort on this guy when we at least know BSP can do more than that.

Try this one on. We definitely do know what BSP can do and what he didn't do was move the offense well enough last season. (Frankly, I thought Palko moved the offense better).

While it's true, Whitehurst hasn't appeared in regular season games for several years, he's no more of an unknown quantity than any of the rookie QB's projected as 3rd rounders or later in the draft this year - and the buzz I'm hearing is that the Cardinal FO feels this is a weak draft year for QB's.

The calculous they're no doubt weighing in their minds is: Can we draft any more of a sure thing with a (late) 3rd round pick than we'd get in giving up a 3rd round pick for Whitehurst (who incidently may have enough preseason tape to make him less of a questionmark)?

Another angle - By securing Whitehurst, we'd still have the option of drafting a QB in a mid-round anyway - except we wouldn't have to draft a QB out of need/we could afford to draft one if the right guy was still on our board.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Whiz liked Whitehurst out of college, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on this one even if I don't see it personally.

 

[MoeIsBetter]

Try this one on. We definitely do know what BSP can do and what he didn't do was move the offense well enough last season. (Frankly, I thought Palko moved the offense better).

While it's true, Whitehurst hasn't appeared in regular season games for several years, he's no more of an unknown quantity than any of the rookie QB's projected as 3rd rounders or later in the draft this year - and the buzz I'm hearing is that the Cardinal FO feels this is a weak draft year for QB's.

The calculous they're no doubt weighing in their minds is: Can we draft any more of a sure thing with a (late) 3rd round pick than we'd get in giving up a 3rd round pick for Whitehurst (who incidently may have enough preseason tape to make him less of a questionmark)?

Another angle - By securing Whitehurst, we'd still have the option of drafting a QB in a mid-round anyway - except we wouldn't have to draft a QB out of need/we could afford to draft one if the right guy was still on our board.

This post swayed my mind. I do like this logic. It also means we could still pick up a vet rather than draft a QB in a very weak class. If Matt doesn't work out then you give Whitehurst a shot. I'm not against this idea.

 

[dogpoo32]

If you think Leinart has demonstrated he is a legitimate starting QB in the NFL and does not need the competition. I'm not in this camp yet until he proves it. IMO, Leinart is slow reading defenses and making decisions. The Cardinals better have a good year running the ball.

You said you didn't want to discuss the pros and cons of Leinart. He is the starter, we are looking at back up QB's. Their level of ability is what needs to be questioned as Leinart will get the chance to make or break his career.

 

[Stout]

Didn't think much of the guy coming out of college, and I don't really want him now. I especially don't want to trade for him.

 

[TheHopToad]

Obviously they're looking at Whitehurst to fill the 3rd QB role that BSP had. He hasn't seen the field since 2006 and has never thrown a pass in a real game.

I would think the Cards will still sign an experienced vet to blend with Leinart and the #3 guy. Whiz was on the radio last week talking about how much he likes Charlie Batch and how well he would fit in the Cards' system. I'm betting he's gonna be the guy.

 

[JeffGollin]

You said you didn't want to discuss the pros and cons of Leinart. He is the starter, we are looking at back up QB's. Their level of ability is what needs to be questioned as Leinart will get the chance to make or break his career.

At the very least - in today's NFL - you want 2 guys at QB who can move your offense and win football games. (Otherwise, all it would take is a helmet to the face, ribs or shoulder of your #1 and suddenly you're no longer in the QB business).

Leinart is one (although I'll concede, he'll have a ways to go to match K Warner's level of performance).

Right now, there is no "other." (St. Pierre never proved last preseason that he could step in and move the team).

Whether the backup is Whitehurst, Bulger, Derek Anderson or whatever - the litmus test will be: "If Leinart goes down, and we have to play this guy, can we win...say...half our games when he's in there?" (Or vice versa in the unlikely event he beats out Matt).

And most likely - regardless of who our #2 guy is - we'll need a #3: probably a drafted or UDFA QBOF.

 

[az jam]

I just would hate to give a #3 pick for him. That is pretty high for a 3rd string qb that has little experience.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Not saying Rivers is Montana or Favre, but he is one of the top QB's in the league. Nor am I saying Whitehurst is Rogers or Young, but your logic is flawed.

Did you know Rivers was the highest paid player in the league last season? I didn't but it was in the USATODAY today. Also an interesting ,and unbelievable note, the Cardinals out spent the Redskins last year $ 111 million to $100 million not including incentives earned. Who would've though that was the case.

 

[Shane]

Did you know Rivers was the highest paid player in the league last season? I didn't but it was in the USATODAY today. Also an interesting ,and unbelievable note, the Cardinals out spent the Redskins last year $ 111 million to $100 million not including incentives earned. Who would've though that was the case.

Probably not you considering how often you imply that they are cheap.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I just would hate to give a #3 pick for him. That is pretty high for a 3rd string qb that has little experience.

Boldin and a fifth... for Rhodes and Whitehurst... NO THANKS

 

[MoeIsBetter]

Boldin and a fifth... for Rhodes and Whitehurst... NO THANKS

I'd much rather have Rhodes and D'Qwell Jackson/Kirk Morrison

 

[Zeno]

If we could negotiate a conditional pick for 2011 I'd be for it rather than giving up a 3rd or 4th this year. That is of course if the coaches are convinced he can be a worthwhile back up QB.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I'd much rather have Rhodes and D'Qwell Jackson/Kirk Morrison

Someone posted that Foote was looking for a deal similar to Fujita and, if that is the case, a trade for Jackson or Morrison may make more sense.

 

[MoeIsBetter]

Someone posted that Foote was looking for a deal similar to Fujita and, if that is the case, a trade for Jackson or Morrison may make more sense.

If it was up to me I would have made the D'Qwell Jackson trade before Dansby even left. The strength and conditioning program we have here would make him a monster.

 

[TJ]

Wonder what it would take to pry Sage Rosenfels from Minnesota, if they were willing to wheel and deal