Cards bringing Whitehurst in for Visit

[MoeIsBetter]

Wonder what it would take to pry Sage Rosenfels from Minnesota, if they were willing to wheel and deal

I'd rather have Derrick Anderson if it meant not having to give anything up.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I'd rather have Derek Anderson if it meant not having to give anything up.

Me too.

 

[TJ]

I'd rather have Derrick Anderson if it meant not having to give anything up.

You and AZ Finest with your man love for Anderson

You two should create a fan club just for him

 

[MoeIsBetter]

You and AZ Finest with your man love for Anderson

You two should create a fan club just for him

I'm not on the Derrick Anderson band waggon at all but he is the best choice that's available so far. I don't want to trade a pick for a QB if this is really Leinarts year. I'm no fan of Jake Delhomme and I'm still unsure on Bulger. But I'm in no DA camp. I think he sucks.

 

[TheHopToad]

I think I'd rather just waste the 3rd round pick on Tebow than use it to get a guy who has been in the league for 5 years and has yet to throw a pass.

At least with Tebow, the team would make money on merchandise and we might get a few more hottie fans. I'm sure he'd be a stud holding that clipboard...

 

[MoeIsBetter]

I think I'd rather just waste the 3rd round pick on Tebow than use it to get a guy who has been in the league for 5 years and has yet to throw a pass.

At least with Tebow, the team would make money on merchandise and we might get a few more hottie fans. I'm sure he'd be a stud holding that clipboard...

I'd rather get more defense. My dream is to draft defense the first 4 rounds (unless for a cant pass OL).

 

[joeshmo]

Something just brought up on the radio. We have looked at RFA's in the past but have not signed any of them. But a year later when they became UFA's they did bring them back in and sign them. This could just be an early scouting visit. Apparantly this is a little known common tactic in the NFL.

 

[MoeIsBetter]

Something just brought up on the radio. We have looked at RFA's in the past but have not signed any of them. But a year later when they became UFA's they did bring them back in and sign them. This could just be an early scouting visit. Apparantly this is a little known common tactic in the NFL.

Just heard the same thing. Pretty smart.

 

[TheHopToad]

Something just brought up on the radio. We have looked at RFA's in the past but have not signed any of them. But a year later when they became UFA's they did bring them back in and sign them. This could just be an early scouting visit. Apparantly this is a little known common tactic in the NFL.

Good idea. We'll see how he does this year. If he doesn't fumble the clipboard, he might be an option for 2011 (if there is one).

 

[juza76]

a lot of people talking about sending a draft picks everywhere just for veterans and average players...but maybe you forget that one of our strong point in the last years was the draft......so why wasting picks?

 

[BigDavis75]

Also, the way Matt's contract is set up, bringing Whitehurst in could be hedging our bets on who our QBOF is going to be. Although I wouldn't want Whitehurst at the price of a third rounder, it would be great to have two young guys, either of which could end up being our franchise QB.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I'm not on the Derrick Anderson band waggon at all but he is the best choice that's available so far. I don't want to trade a pick for a QB if this is really Leinarts year. I'm no fan of Jake Delhomme and I'm still unsure on Bulger.

This.

I don't think he sucks though. I liken the Cleveland offense to being in Oakland at this point. Just toxic for all kinds of talent. Put it this way, with Coach and his ability to develop QB's and Anderson's arm, maybe he just needs good coaching?

But hopefully all he has to be is one of the better backup QB's, which no matter how you slice it, he was on Cleveland last year.

 

[WarnerHOF]

This.

I don't think he sucks though. I liken the Cleveland offense to being in Oakland at this point. Just toxic for all kinds of talent. Put it this way, with Coach and his ability to develop QB's and Anderson's arm, maybe he just needs good coaching?

But hopefully all he has to be is one of the better backup QB's, which no matter how you slice it, he was on Cleveland last year.

There are some things you can coach and some things you can't. I believe accuracy is definately not one of those things you can coach. Donovan McNabb still throws an inaccurate ball after 10 years in this league.

Derek Anderson is a white version of Jamarcus Russell. Do not want.

Do not want Whitehurst either, when you can't even play good in preseason, you do not belong in the NFL.

 

[TJ]

To give Whitehurst the benefit of the doubt, he has played behind Phillip Rivers and Billy Volek, one of the best starters and back ups respectively, his entire career. What chance did he have to really make an impact on the team? He could be an unknown or a complete bust. I'll just say that if we give up anything higher than a 6th rounder, I don't think itd be a good deal

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Donovan McNabb still throws an inaccurate ball after 10 years in this league.

And he's been to five NFC championship games and a Super Bowl with no legitimate World Champion weapons on offense surrounding him.

Its because he is well coached. Listen I am not saying Anderson is the be all end all, but the last time he had good weapons and OL protection his team won. I am not saying I want him as QBOF. I am just thinking he's a risk worth taking with that live arm and poor infrastructure around him his time in the league.

Hell in 2007 he was the best Browns QB since Bernie Kosar. That doesn't say as much about how good Anderson is but rather what a wasteland the "mistake by the lake" has been for QB's for all this time. It's not a coincidence.

THIS IS NOT A COMPARISON TO STEVE YOUNG. REPEAT I AM NOT SAYING DEREK ANDERSON WILL EVER BE IN THE SAME STRATOSPHERE AS YOUNG WAS ON ANY LEVEL.

Now that that's out of the way, here are Young completion % stats the 2 years he was with Tampa Bay prior to going to San Francisco.

1985 - 52.2%
1986 - 53.7%

Let me remind you this is one of the most accurate passers in NFL history over the course of his career.

But he wasn't good enough to shine in Tampa Bay.

Anderson is worth the minimal risk that is attached to him, and unlike Delhomme or Bulger, its actually reasonable to think Anderson has room to grow being only 26.

As I stated earlier, no one else available has any runway for growth. IMO Anderson does and he has a bonkers arm.

 

[TheHopToad]

To give Whitehurst the benefit of the doubt, he has played behind Phillip Rivers and Billy Volek, one of the best starters and back ups respectively, his entire career. What chance did he have to really make an impact on the team? He could be an unknown or a complete bust. I'll just say that if we give up anything higher than a 6th rounder, I don't think itd be a good deal

I'd be willing to consider a 3rd round pick for Volek. That's the deal we should be discussing with San Diego, not Whitehurst...

 

[Zeno]

I'd be willing to consider a 3rd round pick for Volek. That's the deal we should be discussing with San Diego, not Whitehurst...

Overrated career back up QB, 34 yrs old and he is worth a 3rd round pick???? Ugh.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I'd be willing to consider a 3rd round pick for Volek. That's the deal we should be discussing with San Diego, not Whitehurst...

No effing way. That dude has lived off like 4 games in 2006 for the longest time. Older guy with no upwards mobility. If the Cards gave up a 3rd for Volek, I would storm the practice facility with pitch forks and torchs.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Overrated career back up QB, 34 yrs old and he is worth a 3rd round pick???? Ugh.

Agreed. Billy Volek got his chance to start for the Titans and looked rather pedestrian with a pretty team surrounding him. Vince Young came in as a rookie and easily outplayed Volek, and Volek was a veteran at that point.

If we could get Whitehurst for a 6th rounder and a conditional future pick than I would make that trade. Heck I would make it a future 2nd rounder if he became a good starter. San Diego might just bite at that trade since he is a 3rd stringer and they already have Volek on the roster.

 

[Assface]

And he's been to five NFC championship games and a Super Bowl with no legitimate World Champion weapons on offense surrounding him.

He also had one of the league's best defenses throughout his entire career. However, I do think McNabb was a top 5 QB during his prime. A big reason why he was successful despite his inaccuracy was his ability to make plays with his legs. The other QB's mentioned in this thread don't have that ability and therefore their lack of accuracy is more of a problem than it is for McNabb.

 

[TheHopToad]

Overrated career back up QB, 34 yrs old and he is worth a 3rd round pick???? Ugh.

Well I guess I didn't realize he was that old. All I know is that everytime I have seen him come in to replace Rivers, he has performed well. Hell, that playoff game a couple of years ago AT Indy is enough to know that he is a better option than Whitehurst.

If Charlie had any real potential, it wouldn't take five years and zero passes for someone to see it and give him a better chance than the one he's had with the Chargers.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

He also had one of the league's best defenses throughout his entire career. However, I do think McNabb was a top 5 QB during his prime. A big reason why he was successful despite his inaccuracy was his ability to make plays with his legs. The other QB's mentioned in this thread don't have that ability and therefore their lack of accuracy is more of a problem than it is for McNabb.

I would make the arguement Andy Reid's offensive design made McNabb's accuracy issues less of a hinderence to the team and overall success.

My point is good coaching (Wiz) can hide alot of percieved weaknesses.

See Big Ben not taking as many needless sacks his first two years as he has since.

See Kurt Warner not turning over the ball as much the last two years.

See the plans to roll out Matt from the pocket and play to his strengths.

I think Wiz might be able to do something with Anderson IMO.

 

[cardsfanmd]

None of this matters guys. Leinart is going to make all of you regret worrying about who's behind him.

 

[TJ]

None of this matters guys. Leinart is going to make all of you regret worrying about who's behind him.

Post of the millennium

 

[Krangodnzr]

Well I guess I didn't realize he was that old. All I know is that everytime I have seen him come in to replace Rivers, he has performed well. Hell, that playoff game a couple of years ago AT Indy is enough to know that he is a better option than Whitehurst.

If Charlie had any real potential, it wouldn't take five years and zero passes for someone to see it and give him a better chance than the one he's had with the Chargers.

That's like saying that Tony Romo sucked because he as 3rd string for so many years. Head coaches, regardless of what they've seen from 3rd stringers and practice squad QBs, almost unanimously go with the old veteran first. The only time you see teams go to the 3rd stringer is when a team loses their starter for a protracted period of time and the 2nd stringer plays very poorly.

That's the exact scenario that Romo got his start, and obviously Romo is now the 2nd best QB (if not the best) in the history of Dallas Cowboys football. That's saying something, and up until a few years ago, Romo was an afterthought always fighting to stay on the roster.

Philip Rivers has stayed very healthy over the past few years, so Whitehurst has gotten virtual NO chance to play, since Volek is a proven player. Whitehurst was a pretty good prospect with a few issues, and I'm comfortable that if we didn't give up too much to get him that Whisenhunt could coach him up.