Cards chasing Reggie Bush

[JeffGollin]

Every time I see the heading on the thread summary page, I have this image of this dude in a Miami or NO jersey running down into a subway entrance closely pursued by a posse of dudes in Cardinal unis.

("There he is! Get him!")

 

[kerouac9]

I just can't agree with this. Too many coaches come in and win with guys that the previous coach lost with.

To me the NFL is about organizations. It's why the same teams win for long periods of time and conversely others have years or even decades of incompetence.

The only Jimmy or Joe that is all important is the QB.

I don't know. I mean, there are guys that come in and luck into a great situation, like the Colts ran into last year, or the Falcons did when Mike Smith came on board. But I'm wondering what other examples you can point to where this is the case?

Generally, you have a new coach come in and turn over 40-60% of his roster. That's both Xs and Os and Jimmys and Joes. Meanwhile, you have a clown like Jason Garrett turning over his defensive staff every year, and that group is talented enough that they're going to win 7 games a year regardless of who's coaching them.

 

[roland77]

I don't know. I mean, there are guys that come in and luck into a great situation, like the Colts ran into last year, or the Falcons did when Mike Smith came on board. But I'm wondering what other examples you can point to where this is the case?

Generally, you have a new coach come in and turn over 40-60% of his roster. That's both Xs and Os and Jimmys and Joes. Meanwhile, you have a clown like Jason Garrett turning over his defensive staff every year, and that group is talented enough that they're going to win 7 games a year regardless of who's coaching them.

Jim Harbaugh came into San Fran and took Singletary's 5-11 team and turned them into 13-3 or so. They didn't add any new talent that offseason. And all of a sudden Alex Smith could play quarterback.

 

[Solar7]

To start out, actually on the topic of Reggie Bush - he did show at points this year that he could be a guy to tote the rock 20+ times and run in between the tackles with success. Now, that's not saying that he's a workhorse back that necessarily should run it that much, but he had success over 2012. I just can't see him coming to Arizona though, mostly because he's tailor made for the offense in Detroit. Having any semblance of a running game, and especially one that can thrive catching balls out of the backfield. And they have a quarterback. That's a team that should contend for the playoffs, but they took a step back last year. He can help them get back.

As for the 2013 season, I don't envision Reggie Bush being a difference maker here. The "playmaker" moniker has been thrown around, but he's never been the kind of player to take over a game. I'd like him at the right price, but Detroit's interest would likely inflate his value. I do think this offense has playmaking talent. Floyd didn't burst out of the gates as a rookie, but the quarterbacking was just awful. Were this a Kurt Warner led offense, or even someone mildly adequate, he could have thrived. Roberts has some explosiveness once the ball gets in his hands, and we all know what Fitz can do if someone can get the ball anywhere near him. Housler needs consistency - but he's still young and could begin to thrive.

Will this be a disappointing and hard to watch season? I guess it depends on what you need to consider a season successful or entertaining. I'm not of the opinion that we're going to show enough to win the division, or likely even make the playoffs, but I expect a season where we show marked improvement, like Whiz's first years. The next few days are going to be crucial in seeing what the identity of this team becomes, depending on the holes we fill.

Of course, quarterback is going to be the big question mark, and the indicator of our future. A lot of my optimism is linked to the belief that Drew Stanton may prove to be a reasonably solid stopgap if we acquire him, and that if we draft Geno Smith, he'll put this team in a position to succeed for years.

I can see where there'd be doubts about those thoughts, though. I'm being pretty optimistic here. If they're not part of the plan, we're likely in pretty bad shape not just in 2013, but in 2014 as well.

 

[kerouac9]

Jim Harbaugh came into San Fran and took Singletary's 5-11 team and turned them into 13-3 or so. They didn't add any new talent that offseason. And all of a sudden Alex Smith could play quarterback.

Fair enough comparison. There's no question that in the worst situations (and I was the first saying that Mike Singletary was as bad head coach as Dave McGinnis was), an upgrade at HC can make a significant difference.

But it's also worth mentioning that the San Francisco 49ers were one of those teams that were playing below their talent level under Singletary--they were a team that we all were afraid of as a sleeping giant. The kind of team that was a preseason pick to win the NFC West before people realized that Mike Singletary was an empty turtleneck.

San Francisco has like 17 first-round picks and still turned over a number of starters when Harbaugh came on board, including their quarterback, starting corner, and outside linebacker.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Does this mean we are signing Jimmy Clausen and Joe Cribbs?

 

[Chopper0080]

I have a positive outlook for 2013 even before FA and the draft primarily because of the BA hire, but also because Steve Keim is a significant upgrade over Rod Graves in my view. Granted it will take time and the NFC West is a very tough division, but I think the new regime is heading in the right direction. The defense will take a step backward, but hopefully the offense will take a huge step forward and take some pressure off the defense.

Just having healthy NFL quality running backs on the roster would do wonders. And getting Levi Brown back and hopefully drafting a day-one starting offensive lineman in the first round will eventually help the offensive line. Just not starting Anthony Batiste at left offensive tackle should be worth one win.

My issue with the boards overall optimism for Keim is that he has been a part of the front office that failed. He was part of the team that got Rod Graves fired. This isn't to say that he might be the bright light in the room of darkness, but he will have to prove that to me because I can't see a single reason to think that he will change the way the Cardinals front office operates other than he is a different guy.

 

[AzStevenCal]

My issue with the boards overall optimism for Keim is that he has been a part of the front office that failed. He was part of the team that got Rod Graves fired. This isn't to say that he might be the bright light in the room of darkness, but he will have to prove that to me because I can't see a single reason to think that he will change the way the Cardinals front office operates other than he is a different guy.

I think most of the optimism about Keim is nothing more than delight over the absence of Rod Graves. I'd bet that most of us fall in the neutral camp.

Steve

 

[Totally_Red]

My issue with the boards overall optimism for Keim is that he has been a part of the front office that failed. He was part of the team that got Rod Graves fired. This isn't to say that he might be the bright light in the room of darkness, but he will have to prove that to me because I can't see a single reason to think that he will change the way the Cardinals front office operates other than he is a different guy.

Maybe he was just blowing smoke but Arians seemed genuinely happy about working with Keim and Jason Licht. From what Michael Silver has said [and granted he's a huge Keim fan], Steve was not on board with a lot of what went on in the Rod Graves/Ken Whisenhunt era. I guess we'll see what happens.

But if he reaches for Geno Smith at #7 overall, I'll be extremely disappointed and realize that Michael Bidwill was the one blowing smoke when he said at the Super Bowl that "every time we've reached in the draft it hasn't turned out well."

 

[kerouac9]

Maybe he was just blowing smoke but Arians seemed genuinely happy about working with Keim and Jason Licht. From what Michael Silver has said [and granted he's a huge Keim fan], Steve was not on board with a lot of what went on in the Rod Graves/Ken Whisenhunt era. I guess we'll see what happens.

But if he reaches for Geno Smith at #7 overall, I'll be extremely disappointed and realize that Michael Bidwill was the one blowing smoke when he said at the Super Bowl that "every time we've reached in the draft it hasn't turned out well."

Not sure how you gauge the authenticity of someone's reaction from a web video or two. It's not exactly genius to refrain from saying, "Man, I'm glad I got this job, but have you seen the clowns my bosses are?" to the press on your first day of work.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Not sure how you gauge the authenticity of someone's reaction from a web video or two. It's not exactly genius to refrain from saying, "Man, I'm glad I got this job, but have you seen the clowns my bosses are?" to the press on your first day of work.

Isn't that what Belichick did to the Jets ?

 

[Seandonic]

Jim Harbaugh came into San Fran and took Singletary's 5-11 team and turned them into 13-3 or so. They didn't add any new talent that offseason. And all of a sudden Alex Smith could play quarterback.

Good point. Gives me hope.

 

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Ben Maller's Take Regarding The Chase For Reggie Bush

Ben Maller ‏@benmaller

Lions and Cardinals are battling to sign free agent RB Reggie Bush, this is like choosing between dog and cat food for dinner.
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[DoTheDew]

As for the 2013 season, I don't envision Reggie Bush being a difference maker here. The "playmaker" moniker has been thrown around, but he's never been the kind of player to take over a game. I'd like him at the right price, but Detroit's interest would likely inflate his value. I do think this offense has playmaking talent. Floyd didn't burst out of the gates as a rookie, but the quarterbacking was just awful. Were this a Kurt Warner led offense, or even someone mildly adequate, he could have thrived. Roberts has some explosiveness once the ball gets in his hands, and we all know what Fitz can do if someone can get the ball anywhere near him. Housler needs consistency - but he's still young and could begin to thrive.

It's not really about him taking a game over. It's that he's proven he's the type who can take it to the house on any given play. He may give you 1 50 yard touchdown run and then do nothing the rest of the game, but with the current state of our offense, that's the type of thing we need. We were sorely lacking in TDs and big plays last year. We're a good QB away from having an offense that thrives on consistency. A couple of big broken plays could mean a few extra Ws for us.

 

[Duckjake]

Jim Harbaugh came into San Fran and took Singletary's 5-11 team and turned them into 13-3 or so. They didn't add any new talent that offseason. And all of a sudden Alex Smith could play quarterback.

I was also thinking of Ken Whisenhunt taking Denny Green's 5-11 players to an NFC Championship etc.

I don't know. There just seem to be too many 8-8 teams who go 6-10 to 10-6 based on a few things falling for or against them in the NFL for it to be players. The rosters are just too even.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

My issue with the boards overall optimism for Keim is that he has been a part of the front office that failed. He was part of the team that got Rod Graves fired. This isn't to say that he might be the bright light in the room of darkness, but he will have to prove that to me because I can't see a single reason to think that he will change the way the Cardinals front office operates other than he is a different guy.

Reportedly Kiem wanted Peterson over Levi and Cutler over Leinart but was over powered for both. Also he said he wants to add a QB a year.

Thats enough reason for optimism for me.

 

[Duckjake]

Reportedly Kiem wanted Peterson over Levi and Cutler over Leinart but was over powered for both. Also he said he wants to add a QB a year.

Thats enough reason for optimism for me.

Just like Cleveland.

 

[MoeIsBetter]

@RapSheet How is the #Cardinals interest in Reggie Bush, as termed to me? "Significant." Lions is too, though.
#GameOn #Hashtags

Cards future RB?

 

[kerouac9]

I was also thinking of Ken Whisenhunt taking Denny Green's 5-11 players to an NFC Championship etc.

I don't know. There just seem to be too many 8-8 teams who go 6-10 to 10-6 based on a few things falling for or against them in the NFL for it to be players. The rosters are just too even.

Maybe, but:

1) There was a lot of turnover even between the 6-10 season and the 8-8 year.
2) It took 2 years to get to a winning record--an eternity in the NFL.

There are a lot of examples of teams going from 7-9 to 9-7 a back again. It's much harder to go from 8-8 to 10-6 than it is to get from 5-11 to 8-8. That's because the rosters are so even.

But sustained success like your list always exemplifies: Indy, Pittsburgh, Green Bay, New York Giants, Baltimore, etc.? Those are organizations who make decades of smart personnel moves to stay more or less on top of their games.

Not any individual coach.

 

[Duckjake]

Maybe, but:

1) There was a lot of turnover even between the 6-10 season and the 8-8 year.
2) It took 2 years to get to a winning record--an eternity in the NFL.

There are a lot of examples of teams going from 7-9 to 9-7 a back again. It's much harder to go from 8-8 to 10-6 than it is to get from 5-11 to 8-8. That's because the rosters are so even.

But sustained success like your list always exemplifies: Indy, Pittsburgh, Green Bay, New York Giants, Baltimore, etc.? Those are organizations who make decades of smart personnel moves to stay more or less on top of their games.

Not any individual coach.

Which is why I noted earlier that I am an organization guy. More important than schemes or players.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Which is why I noted earlier that I am an organization guy.

My wife says I need to be more organized. Any tips?

 

[Duckjake]

My wife says I need to be more organized. Any tips?

Sure, get your wife to do it.

 

[Chopper0080]

Reportedly Kiem wanted Peterson over Levi and Cutler over Leinart but was over powered for both. Also he said he wants to add a QB a year.

Thats enough reason for optimism for me.

Easy to say I wanted the other guy when you were just the voice. Harder to make the tough decision and overrule others when you are the man. I am reserving judgement at this time, but don't see any reason to be encouraged.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Sure, get your wife to do it.

Brilliant!

You truly are an expert!

 

[JeffGollin]

My wife says I need to be more organized. Any tips?

Yeah. I tried to put them in bullet-points but couldn't organize them properly.