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I wasn't ripping on her, I just found it intetresting that she was cited as a reason for excitement. I will agree that a good executive assistant goes a long way to making an office run smoothly.

And no, my wife, who's the executive assistant for the CEO of Wendy's didn't make me write that :). However, I may have to copy and paste that for her to use at a later date :D.

Now if the other Cardinals in the world start to employ highly qualified women---this world may actually start catching up to the 21st century!:)

BTW---Wendy's was always at the top of my list. Now, more so than ever!
 

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Talk about wow.

If you can't get excited for the direction this franchise is taking...and the only "reasonably possible thing" that would excite you ("at least for a little while) would be to watch Reggie Bush...then you really ought to take up Sunday tennis or hitch your pony to another bandwagon.

You made it clear that you wanted to keep CKW this year and, not only that, you felt it was best to re-sign him to a new multi-year deal. That's what would have excited you?

Maybe I'm wrong but I sense a greater excitement surrounding the Cardinals and what they are trying to do than I have felt since Kurt Warner was running the show.

I wanted the Horton/Turner duo---but to be honest, I think Michael Bidwill hit a grand slam with Bruce Arians. This guy exudes enthusiasm and confidence---and to think that Tom Moore is a part of the package and that we now have 3 offensive line coaches and teachers all across the coaching staff---

Bidwill had to spend a lot of money for owed coaching contracts and new added ones---and the way Bidwill has done this with such conviction and determination, I have to salute him.

Arians talks the talk---but you don't win NFL Coach of the Year if you don't walk the walk. He won with a bunch of mostly average at best veterans and precocious rookies.

You know what? There's nothing wrong with getting a little excited.

This team is going to be a joy to watch because they are going to take their shots and they are going to play to win. They are going to be so much better coached----we will actually see evidence of game planning and tweaks and nuances from week to week.

The effort is going to be worth the price of admission alone. And there will be real star power on display on both sides of the ball.

C'mon, K9. Hop on board. Besides, Sunday tennis is over-rated.

Maybe you just need a little pep talk.

Here---check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-gQLqv9f4o

As Kid President says:

"But what if there really are two paths....I want to be on the one that leads to awesome."

"This is your time---this is my time---this is our time."

Whether you're right or wrong here, I love your enthusiasm and your outlook for our future.

Steve
 

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I also think that Arizona will finally become the hot spot for NFL free agents that I envisioned after the new stadium was built. Players will be clamoring to come here.

this just won't happen as long as Bidwill owns the team.
 

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Whether you're right or wrong here, I love your enthusiasm and your outlook for our future.

Steve

We've all ready had one Trojan bust on us, but it's always fun to roll up another one and try it again! :D

Sign me up for Reggie!
 

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I'd be pretty stoked to get Reggie here, assuming he didn't break the bank. This team SORELY needs playmakers of any kind on offense and while Bush isn't your stereotypical every down back, he IS a playmaker and that can't be debated.

Bush, Larry and hopefully a more polished Floyd will give us options on offense.
 

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What all of this suggests is that, on one of the walls in the Cardinal War Room, there is another Board - a Cardinal Roster Board with each line on the board containing info for Position, Player, Actual Cost and Ideal Cost.

Somewhere, a conversation is being held about our running back situation - who we've got, what they cost, what we'd like them to cost and how a RB like Bush or Cribbs would fit into the picture (i.e. Is there a slot? What would he cost? Can we live with that? Would something have to give at another position?

Just a gut feeling, but I don't see the Cardinals feeling they can afford Beanie, Ryan W and either Cribbs or Bush (let alone LSH). Something will have to give - I think BA will be content to go with a couple of high-profile RB's plus a couple of reliable grunts (Powell and A Smith) plus one or two mid-late round rooks. Question will be: Who will be the odd man out? Beanie? Ryan? Or the FNG.(Bush or Cribbs)?

If the Cards have a bigger RB budget than I've outlined, maybe they keep Beanie and Ryan and create a 2nd mini-competition to sign either Bush, Cribbs, a higher-grade rook like Austin or Goodwin or LSH.
 

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I like it....and even though I think Beannie is a china doll...he may get tougher in his contract year.

Bush and Beannie....one has to stay healthy....don't they?
 

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I'd be pretty stoked to get Reggie here, assuming he didn't break the bank. This team SORELY needs playmakers of any kind on offense and while Bush isn't your stereotypical every down back, he IS a playmaker and that can't be debated.

Bush, Larry and hopefully a more polished Floyd will give us options on offense.

Yup. Going to be between us and Detroit.

Lions have better QB but are as big as mess as us (picking ahead of us) and we are much closer to SD then Detroit. Oh yeah it also Detroit. If you think location doesnt matter to Reggie you didnt see him make a beeline to Miami 2 seasons ago. In fact I am going to tweet him now to get him to Az.
 

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Yup. Going to be between us and Detroit.

Lions have better QB but are as big as mess as us (picking ahead of us) and we are much closer to SD then Detroit. Oh yeah it also Detroit. If you think location doesnt matter to Reggie you didnt see him make a beeline to Miami 2 seasons ago. In fact I am going to tweet him now to get him to Az.

Detroit is leagues beyond us simply because they have a QB IMO.
 

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Detroit is leagues beyond us simply because they have a QB IMO.

First im not sure how much that means to a Running Back, and secondly while I agree we would across the desert for a guy like Stafford - that team is a DUMPSTER FIRE. Inmates running the asylum. And their coach is gone next year IMO. Oh yeah they also play in Detroit. And they are are picking ahead of us as - remember - they got smacked by Az. Plus Stafford didnt have a good year last year and before that could hardly stay healthy. I dont think hes moving the needle for any non WRs.

Anyways it all comes down to the money. But I highly doubt Reggie Bush is picking his next stop based primarily on the Quarterback. In fact as I know thats not the case as he played with Brees and went to Miami, where Quarterbacks go to die.
 

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First im not sure how much that means to a Running Back, and secondly while I agree we would across the desert for a guy like Stafford - that team is a DUMPSTER FIRE. Inmates running the asylum. And their coach is gone next year IMO. Oh yeah they also play in Detroit. And they are are picking ahead of us as - remember - they got smacked by Az. Plus Stafford didnt have a good year last year and before that could hardly stay healthy. I dont think hes moving the needle for any non WRs.

Anyways it all comes down to the money. But I highly doubt Reggie Bush is picking his next stop based primarily on the Quarterback. In fact as I know thats not the case as he played with Brees and went to Miami, where Quarterbacks go to die.

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First im not sure how much that means to a Running Back, and secondly while I agree we would across the desert for a guy like Stafford - that team is a DUMPSTER FIRE. Inmates running the asylum. And their coach is gone next year IMO. Oh yeah they also play in Detroit. And they are are picking ahead of us as - remember - they got smacked by Az. Plus Stafford didnt have a good year last year and before that could hardly stay healthy. I dont think hes moving the needle for any non WRs.

Anyways it all comes down to the money. But I highly doubt Reggie Bush is picking his next stop based primarily on the Quarterback. In fact as I know thats not the case as he played with Brees and went to Miami, where Quarterbacks go to die.

Yeah... Can't really argue too much of that. Both franchise are in the throws of woefulness right about now.
 

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Bush at the right price would be a solid addition IMO. He's a dynamic playmaker and besides Larry we don't have ANY of those on this offense.

At the very least he gives defenses TWICE as much to worry about.
 

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Talk about wow.

If you can't get excited for the direction this franchise is taking...and the only "reasonably possible thing" that would excite you ("at least for a little while) would be to watch Reggie Bush...then you really ought to take up Sunday tennis or hitch your pony to another bandwagon.

You made it clear that you wanted to keep CKW this year and, not only that, you felt it was best to re-sign him to a new multi-year deal. That's what would have excited you?

Maybe I'm wrong but I sense a greater excitement surrounding the Cardinals and what they are trying to do than I have felt since Kurt Warner was running the show.

I wanted the Horton/Turner duo---but to be honest, I think Michael Bidwill hit a grand slam with Bruce Arians. This guy exudes enthusiasm and confidence---and to think that Tom Moore is a part of the package and that we now have 3 offensive line coaches and teachers all across the coaching staff---

Bidwill had to spend a lot of money for owed coaching contracts and new added ones---and the way Bidwill has done this with such conviction and determination, I have to salute him.

Arians talks the talk---but you don't win NFL Coach of the Year if you don't walk the walk. He won with a bunch of mostly average at best veterans and precocious rookies.

You know what? There's nothing wrong with getting a little excited.

This team is going to be a joy to watch because they are going to take their shots and they are going to play to win. They are going to be so much better coached----we will actually see evidence of game planning and tweaks and nuances from week to week.

The effort is going to be worth the price of admission alone. And there will be real star power on display on both sides of the ball.

C'mon, K9. Hop on board. Besides, Sunday tennis is over-rated.

Maybe you just need a little pep talk.

Here---check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-gQLqv9f4o

As Kid President says:

"But what if there really are two paths....I want to be on the one that leads to awesome."

"This is your time---this is my time---this is our time."

Make no mistake: I'm seriously considering taking 2013 off as a Cardinal fan, and based on the conversations that are going around the board regarding Adrian Wilson's release, the moving of training camp, the QB situation, etc., I'm not alone.

But what you're talking about here really highlights the differences you and I have with the philosophy of football. What I think that you don't get about the NFL is that it's not about the Xs and Os; the NFL is about the Jimmy's and Joes.

You clearly believe that the NFL is a coach's league where you can win football games with inferior talent but a strong coaching staff. This is true at the level you're used to in small-state high school and college, but it's not possible in the big time.

Bruce Arians' gravitas isn't going to help this team convert 3rd and 7.

Tom Moore hasn't been a part of an NFL team in a meaningful capacity in five years. I'm sure that his reported knee injury is a possible cause, but in the past two years he's coached two of the more disappointing pro quarterback prospects in Mark Sanchez and Jake Locker.

I think you'll forgive me if I'm skeptical that this old man is capable of generating an productive offense in the NFL.

Meanwhile this bevy of offensive line coaches are imported from one of the worst offensive line units in the NFL in the 2012 Indianapolis Colts, a team widely expected to invest heavily in offensive line personnel in 2013 free agency and the draft.

The Head Coach in which you have so much invested wanted to hire your reviled Ken Whisenhunt as his offensive coordinator and Russ Grimm as his offensive line coach in Chicago.

The 2012 Indianapolis Colts were not a good football team. They had a good record against literally the easiest schedule in the NFL, and managed to beat just 2 teams by more than a TD.

I know that you love to see scrubs making a strong effort in the midst of a 17-point loss. That's completely your perogative. But I wonder when you're going to decide that investing in scrubs like Max Hall and D'Anthony Batiste is not the right direction for founding a winning football program.

In the NFL, "effort" doesn't translate to wins. Talent does. You may revel in watching Fred Wakefield try hard on the way to losing 44-7 in Cleveland, but I do not.

I'm glad you're happy with what's going on right now with the team. But I'm equally excited to see the moment when you turn on this coaching staff the way you did with the previous two--instantaneously and irrevocably and for capricious and inscrutable reasons.

This team right now just doesn't have the talent to compete. Based on the consensus view of this draft and the personnel moves made thus far (shedding good players for financial gain), there's little reason to think that--barring signing a game-breaking player like Reggie Bush--this team is going to have the talent by August to compete.

Kurt Warner isn't walking through that door.

So, enjoy the process. I'm sure you're happy that Arians is saying the right things, but knowing what you want to do and surrounding yourself with the weapons to execute it are entirely different things.

I am interested when you say that "there will be real star power on display on both sides of the ball." Besides Larry Fitzgerald shaking his head sadly when another pass sails outside his huge catch radius on 3rd and 9, what offensive "star power" do you really expect to see on Sundays this fall?
 

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Make no mistake: I'm seriously considering taking 2013 off as a Cardinal fan, and based on the conversations that are going around the board regarding Adrian Wilson's release, the moving of training camp, the QB situation, etc., I'm not alone.

But what you're talking about here really highlights the differences you and I have with the philosophy of football. What I think that you don't get about the NFL is that it's not about the Xs and Os; the NFL is about the Jimmy's and Joes.

You clearly believe that the NFL is a coach's league where you can win football games with inferior talent but a strong coaching staff. This is true at the level you're used to in small-state high school and college, but it's not possible in the big time.

Bruce Arians' gravitas isn't going to help this team convert 3rd and 7.

Tom Moore hasn't been a part of an NFL team in a meaningful capacity in five years. I'm sure that his reported knee injury is a possible cause, but in the past two years he's coached two of the more disappointing pro quarterback prospects in Mark Sanchez and Jake Locker.

I think you'll forgive me if I'm skeptical that this old man is capable of generating an productive offense in the NFL.

Meanwhile this bevy of offensive line coaches are imported from one of the worst offensive line units in the NFL in the 2012 Indianapolis Colts, a team widely expected to invest heavily in offensive line personnel in 2013 free agency and the draft.

The Head Coach in which you have so much invested wanted to hire your reviled Ken Whisenhunt as his offensive coordinator and Russ Grimm as his offensive line coach in Chicago.

The 2012 Indianapolis Colts were not a good football team. They had a good record against literally the easiest schedule in the NFL, and managed to beat just 2 teams by more than a TD.

I know that you love to see scrubs making a strong effort in the midst of a 17-point loss. That's completely your perogative. But I wonder when you're going to decide that investing in scrubs like Max Hall and D'Anthony Batiste is not the right direction for founding a winning football program.

In the NFL, "effort" doesn't translate to wins. Talent does. You may revel in watching Fred Wakefield try hard on the way to losing 44-7 in Cleveland, but I do not.

I'm glad you're happy with what's going on right now with the team. But I'm equally excited to see the moment when you turn on this coaching staff the way you did with the previous two--instantaneously and irrevocably and for capricious and inscrutable reasons.

This team right now just doesn't have the talent to compete. Based on the consensus view of this draft and the personnel moves made thus far (shedding good players for financial gain), there's little reason to think that--barring signing a game-breaking player like Reggie Bush--this team is going to have the talent by August to compete.

Kurt Warner isn't walking through that door.

So, enjoy the process. I'm sure you're happy that Arians is saying the right things, but knowing what you want to do and surrounding yourself with the weapons to execute it are entirely different things.

I am interested when you say that "there will be real star power on display on both sides of the ball." Besides Larry Fitzgerald shaking his head sadly when another pass sails outside his huge catch radius on 3rd and 9, what offensive "star power" do you really expect to see on Sundays this fall?

Here's the difference in K9 compared to Mitch. K9's views are based on realistic expectations while Mitch is a glass half full kinda guy.

I side with K9 on this one though. Cardinals PR has done a very good job spinning this entire offseason to make it seem like we're taking steps in the right direction, but I just don't see it that way and mostly because of the things K9 mentioned in this post. We need playmakers. Lots of them. Without them, we are looking at 3 wins next year. We need to have a HELL of a draft cause we aren't going to be signing playmakers left and right.
 

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I think this is nonsense and agents are putting out ALL these reports because the Cards won't deny. That being said, how can you be sure that it was the Dolphins giving up on Bush and not needing to see what they had in Thomas before making a decision on Bush/2013 free agency/the draft?

It may be a negotiating ploy, but the Dolphins have said they are planning on Lamar Miller being the #1 RB this season and going forward.
 

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Here's the difference in K9 compared to Mitch. K9's views are based on realistic expectations while Mitch is a glass half full kinda guy.

I side with K9 on this one though. Cardinals PR has done a very good job spinning this entire offseason to make it seem like we're taking steps in the right direction, but I just don't see it that way and mostly because of the things K9 mentioned in this post. We need playmakers. Lots of them. Without them, we are looking at 3 wins next year. We need to have a HELL of a draft cause we aren't going to be signing playmakers left and right.

Yeah, I'm not sure how anyone can have a positive outlook on the 2013 season without some serious optimism. Now, we haven't started FA and haven't done the draft, but the Cardinals will have to do a ton of work and get a tremendous amount of immediate returns in order to have a shot.

Look at it logically, we will be worse on defense. You don't get rid of Adrian Wilson and William Gay and get better without adding very good players. We will have a year of transition on both sides of the ball. While this transition might be easier on the offense, hard to worse than we were last year, it will definitely be worse on defense. Keep in mind how long it took the defense to adjust to Horton's new scheme. On offense, we are deficient in all areas outside of wide receiver. Unless Arians can work a miracle at both QB and on the offensive line, we are sunk.
 

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http://stats.cleveland.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=7751&team=15&page=logs

That article talks about one game, and it doesn't really seem like his touches per game went down much over the second half of the year, if at all. :shrug:

Anyway, I think we should keep in mind that Michael Bidwill is firmly in control of the personnel effort, and he was (probably) the guy who went over Denny Green's head in signing Edge James. This team is hopeless offensively right now, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Michael deliver a player no one wants on a contract we can't afford to provide some leadership and flash and SOMEONE you can put on a souvenir cup in Week 4.

I followed him all year, because he was on my fantasy team. Dude would start the game with 5-6 carries in the first quarter then get 1 or 2 the rest of the game.

All the Dolphin beat writers thought the way Philbin handled BUsh last year was odd. Never said he was in his doghouse, but constantly sat him in key situations and limited his touches in second halves of games. I prefer to believe actions over words. Sure Philbin didnt say he was in his doghiouse, but he clearly was
 

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Yeah, I'm not sure how anyone can have a positive outlook on the 2013 season without some serious optimism. Now, we haven't started FA and haven't done the draft, but the Cardinals will have to do a ton of work and get a tremendous amount of immediate returns in order to have a shot.

Look at it logically, we will be worse on defense. You don't get rid of Adrian Wilson and William Gay and get better without adding very good players. We will have a year of transition on both sides of the ball. While this transition might be easier on the offense, hard to worse than we were last year, it will definitely be worse on defense. Keep in mind how long it took the defense to adjust to Horton's new scheme. On offense, we are deficient in all areas outside of wide receiver. Unless Arians can work a miracle at both QB and on the offensive line, we are sunk.

I have a positive outlook for 2013 even before FA and the draft primarily because of the BA hire, but also because Steve Keim is a significant upgrade over Rod Graves in my view. Granted it will take time and the NFC West is a very tough division, but I think the new regime is heading in the right direction. The defense will take a step backward, but hopefully the offense will take a huge step forward and take some pressure off the defense.

Just having healthy NFL quality running backs on the roster would do wonders. And getting Levi Brown back and hopefully drafting a day-one starting offensive lineman in the first round will eventually help the offensive line. Just not starting Anthony Batiste at left offensive tackle should be worth one win. ;)
 

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Scary but I actually pretty much agree with K9 right now. I think it's quite likely Arians is a good coach but won't have the personnel to do much this year.

I will wait and see in FA and the draft but I'm not overly excited about our prospects.

Bush played well in Miami but as he became more of a RB his receiving numbers really dropped off the table so unless we're going to use him like NO did I wouldn't expect a big boost to our passing game from him.

Depends what it takes to get him but I'm not overly excited about him at this point in his career.
 

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But what you're talking about here really highlights the differences you and I have with the philosophy of football. What I think that you don't get about the NFL is that it's not about the Xs and Os; the NFL is about the Jimmy's and Joes.

I just can't agree with this. Too many coaches come in and win with guys that the previous coach lost with.

To me the NFL is about organizations. It's why the same teams win for long periods of time and conversely others have years or even decades of incompetence.

The only Jimmy or Joe that is all important is the QB.
 

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Cap space won't allow it

I agree with you on the CAP space problem. The Kolb deal and to some extent the Leinart deal really hurt us on CAP room. It takes a real brainiac to look down the road and see what our CAP is going to look like a few years ahead. Especially when guys you sign turn out to be next to useless. I do not know who our CAP guru has been for the past 4-5 years. I doubt it was Graves and I have doubts we even had a guy dedicated to CAP. I have read about several teams who have a man who's job is managing the CAP. Do we have such a guy?
 
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