Cards interested in Malcolm Floyd

[chickenhead]

Presumably there's been a test drive, though, right? I mean, they've met with him, seen him work out, done due diligence. I'm not saying they didn't pay a ton, but clearly they know more than we do about his actual abilities.

 

[CardsFan88]

It's 22 million guaranteed.

They didn't say how much the signing bonus was, if there is any at all.

The rest of the contract is escalators built in for the rest of the deal. That's how the Cards always do contracts.

I'm not trying to be combative with you at all, but it's not a straight 63 mil against the cap over 6 years, that's now how it works.

That's all I'm sayin. Peace.

Cool cool, no probs

Just trying to hurry and get through this, so I can read a different thread. But I know I have a point and trying to make a case for it, because it really can be applied deeper across many other subjects in ones life.

We in a society tend to obscure things and buy into them, and don't realize that while the outcome could be good, we might of had a better one by doing it another way.

Each time we accept less then optimal, we cut a little slack off our metaphorical rope, and eventually you metaphorically run out, and we pay for it.

Maybe it's bad investments, maybe it's our teams that underachieve, maybe it's politicians who take us down a bad path, maybe it's buying a house because the rates are oh so low, and you like it, but could you of liked another house after the housing prices collapsed another 90 percent? It's just you have to take into account everything, and then make an informed decision imo, and I just don't think the cards did that.

Maybe they did, I don't know what went on. But from my perspective, I see little info on why Kolb is so much superior in terms of what we gave up versus anyone else out there. Usually there is some sort of reason you have to pay more for 1 versus 2. But 1 vs 2 ranking even seemed debatable, and the costs between the two were drastically different. Even then 2-7 were on the table, and they all cost very little as well. Did we pay for Coke because we hate Shasta? Or did we pay for Coke even though we could have liked Shasta? Why pay more if there is no or little difference? It's complicated, but there just seems to be a bad idea to pay exponential cost for debatable linear difference. One that no one can actually give a good reason to.

I'm still all for him though now that he's on the team. But no matter where we go, we paid one helluva price, and it is very possible we could have gotten the same production for far less, and that little extra could be the difference.

 

[joeshmo]

63 million over 5 seasons. That's over 12 per season.

Or about 10 percent of our cap space. (aside from this years salary)

First that is not how it works at all.

It is 63 million over 6 years, it is a 5 year EXTENSION which means EXTENDED after his current year. Therefore 63 mill over 6 years.

Two it is not 10% of the cap. You assume he is getting paid exactly 10.5 Million every season, you are also assuming the cap never goes up. For example once the new TV deal hits in 2-3 years the cap will be around 160, making 10.5 mill look like chump change.

You cannot look at it in terms of percentages becuase you dont know what he will make in each given year yet or how much the cap will be yet.

 

[CardsFan88]

Presumably there's been a test drive, though, right? I mean, they've met with him, seen him work out, done due diligence. I'm not saying they didn't pay a ton, but clearly they know more than we do about his actual abilities.

That's the point, it's one helluva a presumption, and no we didn't give a test drive. But of course can we? No.

But we gave that much to someone who (as a car) has barely been seen outside the factory.

A few games started is far too little to give up that much imo. Especially when nothing sticks out at you as saying, this guy is clearly superior to another guy, focusing in on the reality of the other people's options.

We paid 5x as much, are we going to get even 10 percent better production? 20 percent less? We really don't know, and for what we paid, given other options, that's a decision making problem.

Yes they could have more info, but really, what could there be that could make up that much of a difference? I wasn't born yesterday, and that seems like too much of a leap of faith.

He has my support, ofc, but I can't say the process that got him here, was done well.

 

[CardsFan88]

First that is not how it works at all.

It is 63 million over 6 years, it is a 5 year EXTENSION which means EXTENDED after his current year. Therefore 63 mill over 6 years.

Two it is not 10% of the cap. You assume he is getting paid exactly 10.5 Million every season, you are also assuming the cap never goes up. For example once the new TV deal hits in 2-3 years the cap will be around 160, making 10.5 mill look like chump change.

You cannot look at it in terms of percentages becuase you dont know what he will make in each given year yet or how much the cap will be yet.

Yes this was cleared up before. Well 12.5 of 125, was a rough estimate, given no assimilation that there were escalators in the contract (although no one said what escalators there would be...it might be a small escalator...or very large one).

Again, this is the lowest gripe on my point. Of course for a good qb you're going to pay alot. But we doled this out not even knowing if he'll sniff anything close to this. Because of course, we don't want the backlash of trading and then having him walk away. So we bit the bullet now. (after biting two other bigger bullets imo)

Whoops, didn't realize we were in the floyd thread.

So yeah, let's get floyd.

 

[blindseyed]

Good Lord This Thread Got Hijackdz!

So anyway, this Malcolm Floyd this thread speaks of......

 

[gmabel830]

BACK TO THE ORIGINAL TOPIC (what, there weren't like 600 Kolb threads on here for you to have that argument on?!)....

I brought up the idea of Floyd yesterday on the Cards message board before I even knew they had interest. Floyd is a big play receiver - 4th in the entire NFL in yards per catch last year. Someone said the stats were inflated because Rivers was his QB, but if Kolb is as good as advertised there is no reason to expect him to tank elsewhere. Oh, and Fitz is a little better than Vincent Jackson, too.

With Roberts also showing potential to make big plays (and maybe Housler, too), Stephen Williams hopefully growing into a big red zone target if nothing else, and Doucet being a slot guy (as long as he doesn't break in half), I'd think Floyd would make us a very well rounded group!

 

[SuperSpck]

He'd be a very good signing.
Better than Jones and a dynamite complement to Fitz.

 

[Shzm13]

Sidenote: I thought Floyd was a young WR, he turns 30 next month.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Nowhere did I look 6 years into the future.

What I said is IT DIDN'T MATTER.

Jesus, how hard is it to understand the obvious.

You get a good deal, or you don't. We didn't get a good deal, even if on the back end it works out.

A 2nd round pick, a pro bowl player, and then 63 mill in cap space over the contract + this years number = too much for unproven.

You don't pay THAT much, for an unproven guy.

We overpaid. Period. Anyone that says a guy who's started a smattering of games is worth that much is a sucker.

Now looking back from 5 years, you might say he got a good deal. But we don't make trades based off what we think 5 years from now, because 5 years from now we don't know.You actually made my point. By giving up THAT much, we are already assuming he is going to be that good, because otherwise, why give up THAT MUCH.

Thanks for making my point.

I imagine this makes some convoluted sense to you. It's pure gibberish to me.

 

[CtCardinals78]

I imagine this makes some convoluted sense to you. It's pure gibberish to me.

Do you ever debate a point or do you just attack people when you disagree with them?

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Do you ever debate a point or do you just attack people when you disagree with them?

Place me on ignore!

 

[Kel Varnsen]

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What's next for the Cardinals? Look for a FA receiver

I'd bet on "Look for the Cardinals to tell their players to **** on Twitter about their plans".

 

[Bert]

I'd bet on "Look for the Cardinals to tell their players to **** on Twitter about their plans".

LOL no joke!




I really want the FO to get this guy, it would be a surprisingly bold move by the Cards after what we just did with Kolb.

Two big moves in a day? From the Cardinals? I'm not sure I could take the excitement.

 

[CtCardinals78]

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Done!

 

[Cheesebeef]

meanwhile, if we sign Floyd, we're basically signing a much older, much more injury prone player than Breaston who's only had two seasons of 700 yards out of 5 and has never even sniffed 1000... even though he's been playing with one of the best QBs in the game.

again... someone else's old left-overs, who hasn't had as much success as our own guy and is more injury prone. doesn't make sense.

 

[Bert]

meanwhile, if we sign Floyd, we're basically signing a much older, much more injury prone player than Breaston who's only had two seasons of 700 yards out of 5 and has never even sniffed 1000... even though he's been playing with one of the best QBs in the game.

again... someone else's old left-overs, who hasn't had as much success as our own guy and is more injury prone. doesn't make sense.

Well who do you want instead? Breaston is gone, nothing we can do but look ahead.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Well who do you want instead? Breaston is gone, nothing we can do but look ahead.

how about someone who's not old for a WR with a pretty bad history of injuries? you know... someone that might actually cost a decent amount of money.

oh sorry... those guys are all pretty much gone.

 

[Evil Ash]

meanwhile, if we sign Floyd, we're basically signing a much older, much more injury prone player than Breaston who's only had two seasons of 700 yards out of 5 and has never even sniffed 1000... even though he's been playing with one of the best QBs in the game.

again... someone else's old left-overs, who hasn't had as much success as our own guy and is more injury prone. doesn't make sense.

Jurecki was talking earlier and mentioned in passing that Breaston's knee is basically bone-on-bone. If thats true I can't blame the Cards for letting him go no matter how much I liked him

 

[Bert]

how about someone who's not old for a WR with a pretty bad history of injuries? you know... someone that might actually cost a decent amount of money.

oh sorry... those guys are all pretty much gone.

So who do you want instead of Floyd who we can get?

Or are you just going to shout at the wind all day? jk

 

[Cheesebeef]

Jurecki was talking earlier and mentioned basically in passing that Breaston's knee is basically bone-on-bone. If thats true I can't blame the Cards for letting him go no matter how much I liked him

i have a hard time believing this because the Chiefs, a pretty solid organization who has made a lot of good moves over the last years just made a completely stupid decision. sorry, we own that game. not the Chiefs. we'll see how he plays this season.

 

[Cheesebeef]

So who do you want instead of Floyd who we can get?

Or are you just going to shout at the wind all day? jk

shout for the couple hours... but brace yourself for pissing later tonight.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

Do you ever debate a point or do you just attack people when you disagree with them?

HAHAHAHA Fight!

 

[Bert]

shout for the couple hours... but brace yourself for pissing later tonight.

LoL good times! Like you said we are all gluttons for punishment with this team.

 

[Renz]

meanwhile, if we sign Floyd, we're basically signing a much older, much more injury prone player than Breaston who's only had two seasons of 700 yards out of 5 and has never even sniffed 1000... even though he's been playing with one of the best QBs in the game.

again... someone else's old left-overs, who hasn't had as much success as our own guy and is more injury prone. doesn't make sense.

Much older? Jeez, Floyd is two years older than Breaston. Get a grip, man.

Floyd, for his career also has averaged over 4 yards-per-catch more than Breaston has. That is a huge difference, especially considering that neither Fitz, Doucet or Roberts are burners.

I'd love to see Floyd here.