Cards open on MNF against Niners

[Ronin]

As far as I know they haven't announced the compensatory picks yet.

http://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/default.asp?item=542736

Niners receive two compensatory picks

The 49ers will receive compensatory picks at the ends of the third and fourth rounds, the league announced Monday.

Teams are awarded compensatory picks based on net losses during free agency from the previous year. Teams are not allowed to trade compensatory picks.

The NFL does not make the formula for determining compensatory selections readily available, though according to the league, it is based on salary, playing time and postseason honors. The 49ers obviously have a pretty good handle on the procedure. During the season, the 49ers expected to receive compensatory picks at the ends of the third and fourth rounds.

The 49ers got a third-round compensatory pick for losing linebacker Julian Peterson as a free agent to the Seahawks. It is the No. 34 pick in the round, No. 97 overall.

The club also received a fourth-round compensatory pick for defensive Andre Carter leaving for the Redskins. It is the 36th pick in the round, No. 135 overall.

The 49ers' only free-agent signing of receiver Antonio Bryant was canceled out because of the team's loss of tackle Anthony Clement, who started all 16 games last season for the Jets at right tackle.

The signings of Larry Allen and Walt Harris did not count toward the 49ers' net gains and losses because both of those players were released by their former teams.

Now, the 49ers have 10 picks in the draft, including eight in the first four rounds. Here's how the 49ers' draft picks break down (I tried to figure the 49ers' selection in each round with an overall number, but those draft slots are unofficial):

First round: No. 11.

Second round: No. 42.

Third round: No. 76; and No. 97 (compensatory).

Fourth round: No. 104 (Brandon Lloyd trade); No. 110; No. 124 (Kevan Barlow trade); No. 135 (compensatory).

Fifth round: No. 147.

Sixth round: No. 186.

Seventh round: Pick given up, along with Ken Dorsey, in trade with Browns for Trent Dilfer.

 

[Zeno]

I stand corrected. Thats a pretty good haul, they just have to make them count.

 

[CtCardinals78]

The Niners IMO will be the Saints of the 2007 season. Don't like it. Plus remember last year when SF was mad because they thought we had them scheduled as our home opener as an easy win? Don't think they don't remember that for their home opener.

 

[Redsz]

Did we get a starting LT all of a sudden? Because from where I sit our OL isn't as good as the one we finished last season with.

I would say that the line is better than the one that featured Step at C and Lewinski at RT among others at the start of the season. Yup.

Levi Brown or Joe Thomas will slot in at LT nicely.

 

[Zeno]

I would say that the line is better than the one that featured Step at C and Lewinski at RT among others at the start of the season. Yup.

Levi Brown or Joe Thomas will slot in at LT nicely.

The one we ended the season with is better than the one we started the season with and you can't guarantee we will get Thomas or Brown or that either will be in camp on time if we do get them (or that either will be better than Davis).

The OLine today is worse than the OLine that finished the season, disputing that is futile.

 

[Stout]

I would say that the line is better than the one that featured Step at C and Lewinski at RT among others at the start of the season. Yup.

Levi Brown or Joe Thomas will slot in at LT nicely.

Nuh-uh. Niiiiice try. Is a line of 0-Brown-Johnson/Leckey-Lutui-Wells better than a line of Davis-Brown-Leckey-Lutui-Wells? No. Can we get Thomas in the draft? Maybe, but it's no sure thing. Is Brown going to be worth taking? We don't know.

We have a lot of we don't knows heading into the draft.

 

[Lorenzo]

should be a good game.

 

[Shane]

Nuh-uh. Niiiiice try. Is a line of 0-Brown-Johnson/Leckey-Lutui-Wells better than a line of Davis-Brown-Leckey-Lutui-Wells? No. Can we get Thomas in the draft? Maybe, but it's no sure thing. Is Brown going to be worth taking? We don't know.

We have a lot of we don't knows heading into the draft.

I dont care if we come away with Brown or Thomas. Either one with the addition of Jouhnson makes this a better line IMO than the one we had with Davis. WHo is still severely OVERRATED on this board.

 

[nurnay]

I dont care if we come away with Brown or Thomas. Either one with the addition of Jouhnson makes this a better line IMO than the one we had with Davis. WHo is still severely OVERRATED on this board.

I know, it seems lately that quite a few people think Davis is some great OL. He was one of the biggest sources of frustration on that OL the whole time he was here, and now that he's gone we're in trouble? Yes, I know we still need to fill that spot. I say we go out and get any fat, lazy, tall guy off the street that can't keep track of a snap count and we'll be set.

 

[AzWins23]

I think the 49ers overachieved last year...I think it's time for a let down year for them..Remember. there starting quarterback has yet to throw more TD's than INT's, and plus we won the last 4. So who knows!

 

[Duckjake]

fat, lazy, tall guy off the street that can't keep track of a snap count and we'll be set.

The Cardinals have already done that. Got him from Pittsburgh a couple of years ago.

 

[Stout]

I dont care if we come away with Brown or Thomas. Either one with the addition of Jouhnson makes this a better line IMO than the one we had with Davis. WHo is still severely OVERRATED on this board.

Thomas yes, but Brown I'm not so sure. It's just that we have no sure things right now, and we could have. If it were me, I would have kept Davis for a season, massively overpaying, AND drafted Thomas. That way you don't have to pray that a rookie can provide you quality starting time, and if he does, you already have depth. Instead, we have to pray a rookie is there for us, then pray he plays well, then pray he doesn't get hurt because we don't have depth. That's a lot of praying, IMO.

 

[Gambit]

I think the 49ers overachieved last year...I think it's time for a let down year for them..Remember. there starting quarterback has yet to throw more TD's than INT's, and plus we won the last 4. So who knows!

Alex Smith showed amazing progression, and Gore is a minotaur (Mino-Gore?/Gaur?). I think the Niners will improve again this season (although not in the opener!).

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I guarantee you that the coaches and your team is not looking past the Niners this year.
Besides the FA's we picked up, we also have 6 picks in the first 4 rounds (with another compensatory pick at the end of the 3rd round for Seattle signing FA Julian Peterson, and another in the 4th for Wa. signing Carter) for a total of 8 picks in first 4 rounds.

You better hope for a massive upgrade on your O line soon, or it will be a long evening at Candlestick.


As far as the weather? Players won't notice, but for fans in the seats? Chances are really good it's going to be cold, and windy, if not foggy on a Sept night. December games are actually warmer, because there's no winds coming in from the bay, at least not like the Summer winds.

Ask Mark Twain..he'll tell ya.

Hey Bud bad news - Alex Smith has had exactly ONE good half of football sinc ebeing drafted two years ago and that was the second hald against Seattle last year. You can sign all the 80 million dollar cornerbacks you want - that ain't going to make your "franchise" QB be all-world all of a sudden...

As for us - I see Wiz's new power running attack and a defense that is familiar with you lighting you up to the tune of 31 - 17.....

Long live Matt Leinart

 

[MlKE49ER]

Hey Bud bad news - Alex Smith has had exactly ONE good half of football sinc ebeing drafted two years ago and that was the second hald against Seattle last year. You can sign all the 80 million dollar cornerbacks you want - that ain't going to make your "franchise" QB be all-world all of a sudden...

As for us - I see Wiz's new power running attack and a defense that is familiar with you lighting you up to the tune of 31 - 17.....

Long live Matt Leinart

Hate to burst your bubble, but I think you're confused.
We'll leave out the 12-13 for 145 yds first half against the Rams in his rookie year, that behind a complete makeshift backup line..last year he had his moments, including the Raider game where his qb rating for COMPLETE game was 120.
Complete game against Seattle? Both games his qb rating was over 100 for complete game.

As far as Whiz's "power running game"?? Niners were 6th in the NFL last year as far as rushing, with the #1 RB in the NFC.
Cards were a distant 30th, that with you signing Edge.

Whiz, with Pittsburg and their power running game were still down the list, and Pittsburg has a solid O line, where as the Cards are hoping for a windfall of starters from the draft.

Don't worry about the Niners, and especially Smith. He finished above Leinert last year, as did the Niners over the Cards, and chances are that won't change.

 

[Skkorpion]

This is Nolan's third year as the niners coach, the year most good coaches have a breakthrough and make the playoffs. In his second year, Nolan's team improved tremendously over his first year.

Alex Smith is maturing nicely as a QB, no matter how many bashers say he's not.

I think the Niners will win 10 or 11 games, win the NFCW and beat us twice.

 

[football karma]

Alex Smith is maturing nicely as a QB, no matter how many bashers say he's not.

Call me a basher

If beating a qb rating of 11 from his rookie year is progressing, then yes I guess he is.

The guy has the benefit of the NFC's leading rusher and he posts a rating in the 70s. That blows. Leinart matched that in his rookie year with the 30th ranked rushing game.

49er fans can complain all they want about Smith's lack of weapons, but they didnt get any better for him thus far.

Smith is one of those classic QBs that will play good enough in stretches to get their fans hopes up, but never good enough to win consistently.

With Norv Turner now in San Diego, I am predicting Smith hit his ceiling last year.

 

[MlKE49ER]

Call me a basher

If beating a qb rating of 11 from his rookie year is progressing, then yes I guess he is.

make that a tacky basher.
Niners led the league in injuries for the year.
Smith was thrown in, to get his feet wet, and take his lumps, in mid season, behind a backup center, 3rd string left tackle and left guard, and behind the backup right guard and tackle. No TE, period.
You'll excuse me if I'll happen to excuse a bad outing in that circumstance.

Instead I'll dwell on his 130 rating at the end of the year, along with winning the last two games of the year, if you don't mind.

The guy has the benefit of the NFC's leading rusher and he posts a rating in the 70s. That blows. Leinart matched that in his rookie year with the 30th ranked rushing game.

Would that be the rushing game of your savior, Edge?
Yeah, Leinert was still behind Smith..WITH YOU HAVING ARGUABLY THE BEST TANDEM WR IN THE NFC, if not the league.
Unfortunately that running game? Your O line just got worse.

49er fans can complain all they want about Smith's lack of weapons, but they didnt get any better for him thus far.

Was a trade off on who we let go, and who we signed.
That and our 8 picks in the first 4 rounds??
We'll be just fine.

Smith is one of those classic QBs that will play good enough in stretches to get their fans hopes up, but never good enough to win consistently.

lol..."Classic"?? After one full year he's labeled a "classic"?? You don't read much, do you?
Go do a search on Alex Smith's play from last year, and what many were saying, including on this board, and the Card board.
Apologies aren't necessary.

We'll save that for after week one.

With Norv Turner now in San Diego, I am predicting Smith hit his ceiling last year.

Interesting. Many predicted when we signed Turner that he wouldn't do anything...now he's a God??
Regardless, I think what you mean to say is "After being tutored by Turner last year, and the Niners promoting Turners right hand man last year, to continue on the exact same program, you hope Smith doesn't continue to improve, as he has".

We shall see.

Either way, going to be a fun matchup for a Monday night to start off the season.

 

[Garthshort]

Is It Just Me

Or does Mike the 49er sound like NEM?

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Call me a basher

If beating a qb rating of 11 from his rookie year is progressing, then yes I guess he is.

The guy has the benefit of the NFC's leading rusher and he posts a rating in the 70s. That blows. Leinart matched that in his rookie year with the 30th ranked rushing game.

49er fans can complain all they want about Smith's lack of weapons, but they didnt get any better for him thus far.

Smith is one of those classic QBs that will play good enough in stretches to get their fans hopes up, but never good enough to win consistently.

With Norv Turner now in San Diego, I am predicting Smith hit his ceiling last year.

The bolded sentence is the key one in the paragraph.....and why MIKE49er is so damn defensive.

True confidence is internal my man. Talk all the trash about our QB you want......I KNOW he is a star in the making

 

[jefftheshark]

Either way, going to be a fun matchup for a Monday night to start off the season.

Bet you won't feel that way after the game.

The Shark

 

[earthsci]

Or does Mike the 49er sound like NEM?

Sounds more like any teams fan who's going to nut up for his team. As long as he isn't insulting. He sounds like SeaChicken, except replace the Hawks with the 9ers.

 

[football karma]

The consensus on Turner is pretty universal -- excellent coordinator -- failure thus far as a head coach.

A Qb's best friend is a running game. Smith had the best one in the NFC last year and still wasnt very good. A qb who is facing defenses who are geared totally to stop the run, and still is below average.

I will say this -- if Smith doesnt improve significantly again this year, he will be out of excuses.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

The consensus on Turner is pretty universal -- excellent coordinator -- failure thus far as a head coach.

A Qb's best friend is a running game. Smith had the best one in the NFC last year and still wasnt very good. A qb who is facing defenses who are geared totally to stop the run, and still is below average.

I will say this -- if Smith doesnt improve significantly again this year, he will be out of excuses.

I endorse this message

 

[kerouac9]

It's not going to matter how many picks in the first 4 rounds the 49ers have if none of them are going to be able to rush the passer. There aren't that many good pass rushers in this draft class, either. You can only play 11 guys at once.

Seriously, the 49ers can have their overrated cornerback and backup safety. Until they can get pressure on the guy passing the ball, it's not going to matter. The real question will be whether we can stop the 49er passing attack, which we weren't able to do in the second half of last season's opening game. Clancy Pendergast will have an opportunity to show his stuff very early in the process.