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I've figured out why Washington was so valuable to the Cardinals. Not only can he play the WILB on passing downs but if Wilson gets hurt he can fill in at Adrian's hybrid S/LB position.

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Duck what do you think of the pick? Have you seen him play much?

I'm steaming :mad: even though we stayed true to our board & BPA/need
 

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Duck what do you think of the pick? Have you seen him play much?

I'm steaming :mad: even though we stayed true to our board & BPA/need

I was on the Washington bandwagon months ago after the TCU bowl game but almost everyone said he was too small and couldn't hold up inside. After looking at his measurements I cooled on him.

I didn't like Levar Fisher and didn't like small play Ray Thompson so I'm not real thrilled about replacing a guy like Dansby with Paris Lenon and DWashinton and losing the 3rd we got for Boldin.

I hope I'm wrong.
 

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Always appreciate your point of view.

But... I have to choose, at this point, between your assessment and Steve Keim's and the other scouts who spend 200 days a year on the road eating cheap diner food between attending practices, games, interviewing and reviewing tape.

Until proven wrong, I'll stand with the Pros not the Joes!

No problem. But keep in mind you're siding with the guys who brought you Buster Davis, Brandon Johnson, Daryl Blackstock, and Lance Mitchell.

I've watched the same tape that Keim and his boys did--Washington makes no plays. Watch his play at the Fiesta Bowl. Tons of tackles four yards down the field.

not size or build -- its what he did in college, which was all forward

Washington did many, many different things in the TCU defense - lots of dropping and covering

Dude, you could not be more wrong about this. Check out what we were saying about Brandon Johnson at the time: http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb...868.html?highlight=Brandon+Johnson+Linebacker

Strengths: Is tall with good size potential. Is a fluid athlete for such a tall player and also possesses rare speed for his size. Reads keys quickly, has good initial quickness can make plays from sideline-to-sideline. Possesses good lateral mobility and can get through traffic quickly when pursuing to the outside. Takes good pursuit angles and generally does a good job of closing down cutback lanes. Wraps up upon contact and flashes adequate initial pop at the POA. Shows good closing speed when asked to blitz and has the long arms to tip passes when doesn't get to the quarterback in time. Can change directions quickly, possesses good top-end speed and has good man-to-man cover skills. Gets adequate depth and shows good range when asked to drop into zone coverage. Possesses good ball skills, has good instincts and flashes the ability to make the big play in coverage. Blocked a punt in 2004, blocked a kick in 2005 and has the potential to develop into an excellent special teams' player.

Weaknesses: Is tall and lanky. Must add bulk to frame. Doesn't play with great leverage or a wide base, lacks ideal lower body strength and gets rag-dolled at the POA too easily. Doesn't play with a mean steak, runs around blockers rather than stacking them up and takes too long to shed blocks when blocker is able to lock on. Is undersized, is vulnerable to wearing down when teams run at him and may never develop into an every-down player. Appears to play at different speeds, isn't always relentless in pursuit and may take some plays off.

Overall: Louisville red-shirted Johnson in 2001 and he appeared in 13 games in 2002. He started 11 of the 13 games he appeared in during the 2003 season and he started 12 games in 2004. Johnson played in 12 games in 2005 and he finished the season with 44 solo tackles, 72 total tackles and 8.5 tackles-for-loss. He also intercepted two passes, recorded two sacks, forced a fumble and blocked a kick. Johnson's lack of bulk is reason for concern and he will have problems stopping the run until he gets stronger at the point of attack. However, he has the frame to add weight and he has the combination of athletic ability, instincts and speed to develop into a playmaker  as an OLB and as a cover guy on special teams. Johnson projects as a fourth or fifth round pick in 2006.

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Strengths: Is athletic with the frame to add bulk. Shows great speed and good quickness. Changes directions well. Makes plays sideline-to-sideline, breaks down well when filling cutback lanes and is an adequate open-field tackler. When blitzing, shows a nice closing burst. In coverage, shows good awareness and athleticism and adequate ball skills.

Weaknesses: Must get stronger and bulkier. Is a liability against the run; lacks the lower-body strength to hold ground at the point of attack. Tends to get manhandled because of lacking strength.

Bottom line: Johnson is intriguing because of his speed, athleticism and still developing frame. He has the potential to be a disruptive force on special teams and might earn a roster spot as a situational pass rusher and nickel linebacker while his body develops. Johnson likely will be drafted early in the fourth round.

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Strengths:
Has an outstanding frame that he can easily bulk up...A extraordinary natural athlete...Very smooth and has tremendous speed and quickness...Moves well and has sideline-to-sideline range...Has good instincts...Was very productive...Upside.

Weaknesses:
Is going to have to put on quite a bit of weight....Has to really commit himself to getting stronger...Struggles to take on and shed blockers...Work ethic has been questioned...Needs a lot of development in terms of his play as well as his body.

Notes:
Certainly has some intriguing tools to work with but is quite a project when it comes to physical maturity...Has a lot of potential which could lead to some team taking a shot on him earlier than expected...Probably a long-term experiment.

Just say "Uncle." Enjoy at least a year of Paris Lenon--three-down linebacker.
 

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I was on the Washington bandwagon months ago after the TCU bowl game but almost everyone said he was too small and couldn't hold up inside. After looking at his measurements I cooled on him.

I didn't like Levar Fisher and didn't like small play Ray Thompson so I'm not real thrilled about replacing a guy like Dansby with Paris Lenon and DWashinton and losing the 3rd we got for Boldin.

I hope I'm wrong.

He'll probably be up to 230, 235 by September under Lott's tutelage and proper nutrition.

PS: Weatherspoon was under 240 at the combine.
 

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I've watched the same tape that Keim and his boys did--Washington makes no plays. Watch his play at the Fiesta Bowl. Tons of tackles four yards down the field.

Where do you get Coach's tapes?
 

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I was on the Washington bandwagon months ago after the TCU bowl game but almost everyone said he was too small and couldn't hold up inside. After looking at his measurements I cooled on him.

I didn't like Levar Fisher and didn't like small play Ray Thompson so I'm not real thrilled about replacing a guy like Dansby with Paris Lenon and DWashinton and losing the 3rd we got for Boldin.

I hope I'm wrong.

small play Ray? That's being generous. His name should have been NO Play Ray.

I always chuckled when Eric Hill called him Big Play Ray... coming from someone who never made a big play in his life.
 

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No problem. But keep in mind you're siding with the guys who brought you Buster Davis, Brandon Johnson, Daryl Blackstock, and Lance Mitchell.
All of those sans Buster Davis were from Denny Green's regime.
 

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All of those sans Buster Davis were from Denny Green's regime.

Steve Keim was still here. One of the things that didn't change when Denny was run out of here was Keim's involvement.

Do you really think that Denny Green was deciding on fifth- and sixth-round selections all by himself?
 

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I've watched the same tape that Keim and his boys did--Washington makes no plays. Watch his play at the Fiesta Bowl. Tons of tackles four yards down the field.

Where do you get Coach's tapes?

Are the coaches tapes suddenly going to show Daryl Washington making plays against good teams? Because the game tape from his play against Div I caliber talent certainly didn't.

Daryl Washington* is going to look good running into the frame after Kerry Rhodes wraps up his man.
 

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Not to mention that they were all Denny Green's picks.

Except for the fact that Whis drafted Buster Davis..

Im not mad at Whis at all.. I figure some picks dont work out.. Just wanted to make sure the facts were correct though..
 

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Are the coaches tapes suddenly going to show Daryl Washington making plays against good teams? Because the game tape from his play against Div I caliber talent certainly didn't.

Daryl Washington* is going to look good running into the frame after Kerry Rhodes wraps up his man.

So you confirm that you don't have Coach's tapes, which scouting department's have access to... Thank you.

And, I'm sure (you'll correct me if wrong) that Steve Keim and his team had nothing to do with most, if not all, of the linebacker busts you brought up.
 

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Except for the fact that Whis drafted Buster Davis..

Im not mad at Whis at all.. I figure some picks dont work out.. Just wanted to make sure the facts were correct though..

True. I was thinking of K9's comparison of Washington to Ray Thompson, Blackstock and Mitchell.

When Ray Thompson was drafted, George Boone was head of scouting. Blackstock and Mitchell were Denny guys.

I'm thinking Keim didn't recommend Blackstock or Mitchell, and that's why Keim is here and Denny's playing golf.

Even if we did whiff on some LB's, so what? Using K9's logic we would never draft a LB again.
 

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So you confirm that you don't have Coach's tapes, which scouting department's have access to... Thank you.

And, I'm sure (you'll correct me if wrong) that Steve Keim and his team had nothing to do with most, if not all, of the linebacker busts you brought up.

How can you be sure about this? Were you setting up the Cards board at this time?
 

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When we traded up for Branch I thought for sure we were picking Poz. Today I was sure we were taking Lee. Maybe Whiz just doesn't like white ILB's?
 

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True. I was thinking of K9's comparison of Washington to Ray Thompson, Blackstock and Mitchell.

When Ray Thompson was drafted, George Boone was head of scouting. Blackstock and Mitchell were Denny guys.

I'm thinking Keim didn't recommend Blackstock or Mitchell, and that's why Keim is here and Denny's playing golf.

Boone didn't come back to the Cards until 2001. Small Play was drafted in 2000.

Keim joined the Cards in 1999.

Denny's playing golf because Neil Rackers choked that FG against the Bears.

BTW: Thanks again Neil. We love having Coach Whisenhunt.
 

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Inside linebackers. DJ said it all with the selections that they've made so far. Dansby was an easy pick because he was a first-round value that slid.

I could just as easily say that this staff hasn't shown that it can evaluate nose tackles, but I think that Dan Williams was the #1 player on their 250 board.

When you miss so completely on four or five ILB types, it might mean that you have a problem.

Look at the tape--where does Daryl Washington make plays against good teams? There are no New Mexicos or UNLVs in the NFL. Daryl Washington = Raynoch Thompson.

I've been fighting you on this all week and I wil continue to. You are going to be soooo wrong on this and I bet everyone will know by Game 6.

This was the most insitinctive ILB outside of McClain and he WILL put on 20 more lbs by 2011 when he will starting game 1.

If you would like to make it interesting let me know the terms. I have been on this guy from the beginning and am elated he was the pick. I would have been okay with him in Round 1. I couldn't have asked for a better realistic 1-2 combo.
 
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How can you be sure about this? Were you setting up the Cards board at this time?

With each passing day the snarky, self important K-9, who endeared himself to so many, comes more and more to the fore.

Ignore me. I'll gladly return the favour.
 

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Yup the Cardinals sure are the only team to have made errors when it comes to evaluating players.
I know, you're all shocked.
 

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With each passing day the snarky, self important K-9, who endeared himself to so many, comes more and more to the fore.

Ignore me. I'll gladly return the favour.

I'm sorry you feel that way, because I've really enjoyed our conversations leading up to the draft.

I'm sorry that you can interrogate my statements of fact, but I can't ask you where your evidence comes from.
 

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I'm sorry you feel that way, because I've really enjoyed our conversations leading up to the draft.

I'm sorry that you can interrogate my statements of fact, but I can't ask you where your evidence comes from.

An example of your respectful interrogation:

Were you setting up the Cards board at this time?
 

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