Cards to make serious play for Warner

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Pariah said:
Didn't Johnson just win the superbowl 2 years ago? Or was someone else under center for the bucs that season?...seriously, I don't remember.


Johnson also threw 20+ INTs just 2 seasons ago(2003, his last full season), will be 37 in September and everything I've read has had scouts noticing his declining arm strength. Sounds like he'd be a great signing :rolleyes:

EDIT: On second thought I don't want either guy, both are very likely done BUT at least Warner will only be 34 and might still have something left.
 
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Zeno said:
Johnson also threw 20+ INTs just 2 seasons ago(2003, his last full season) and will be 37 in September. Sounds like he'd be a great signing :rolleyes:
Relax, fella. All I did was point out that Johnson has had a higher level of success more recently than Warner.

Personally, I do think Johnson would be better for this team than Warner. Warner went from grocery bagger to prima donna in very short order.
 

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Pariah said:
Personally, I do think Johnson would be better for this team than Warner. Warner went from grocery bagger to prima donna in very short order.

I don't know about that. His wife said some crappy things, but I don't think he ever did. I don't think he bitched about being benched last year. And, he had a better case than McCown did to not be benched.
 

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I don't know about that. His wife said some crappy things, but I don't think he ever did. I don't think he bitched about being benched last year. And, he had a better case than McCown did to not be benched.
Everything I've read said that Warner did all he could to help out Manning last season. He didn't whine or cause any problems whatsoever.

I seem to remember some friction in St Louis about his contract, starting job etc., but who can blame him? He led the Rams to a Super Bowl win and he got to the NFL relatively late, so I can understand him wanting to get that big payday while he could.
 

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Of all the QB's out there, Warner probably fits the bill the best for Denny --

a down the field kind of thrower.

Everyone needs to keep in mind that as bad as his o-line was, he did get to hand the ball off to pro-bowler Tiki Barber who ran for 1300+ or something

The Cards had a bottom 5 in the league rushing attack -- even against 7 man fronts.

Until that is fixed, no qb they have currently, they could draft, or realistically acquire in free agency or trade will have playoff caliber success.
 

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It's hard to be immune to the anti-Warner press - in the poll thread I think I said anyone but Warner or a rookie, but things change with our options slimming as they have. I'm still not on a Warner bandwagon, but I did watch every one of his games last season, and honestly, the only game where he looked particularly bad was against our Cardinals - but that was mostly a case of the D being simply too much for them to handle (which was great :thumbup: ).

Warner was not the Warner of old, but the only similar tool he had was Tiki playing like a younger Faulk. Shockey was dropping everything in sight, Carter was injured, and Toomer and Hilliard? Significantly worse than Fitzgerald and Boldin. A lot of defenses knew it was pretty much Tiki or nothing. Blitz, and the Giants weren't going to be able to burn you with receivers, and Shockey was only a huge threat in the red zone, where he dropped enough TD passes anyway, or got tackled on the 1 like every other Giant.

Again, Warner has a lot of baggage, but if Green really thinks he's a good solution, I'm willing to check it out. Warner will have to back off his starting demands, though. He'll have to earn it.
 

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Just read a few quotes from Giants fans on CBS Sportsline chat. They seemed positive about him and reckon he'll be a big hit here given the supporting cast he'll have. He was 5-4 when benched having won some big road games. Politics and Mannings salary the likely reason.

Yeah, lets get him. Henry and Warner next week would be fantastic.
 

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Warner wasn't getting that much bad press at all when he was benched. People realized that he had little work with, and was in fact conducting a decent game. Many were in support of the benching simply because they realized he wasn't the future, and they wanted to see what they gave up the farm for.

I think if we sign Warner, we see a better version than NY saw, or than St. Louis saw his last year or two there. I'm still not thrilled about it, but if it's between him and Johnson, for example, I can live with whomever Green thinks has the higher upside.
 

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slanidrac16 said:
Keep this in mind guys as you start to think about any free agents. If Dennis Green has a guy pegged, there is a reason for it. He's been here a year now and knows exactly what he has on board and what he needs to fix it. If Warner is his guy, I'm all for it.


Green has a proven track record when it comes to bringing in vet qb's that fit his system, I'm trusting Green will bring in the Cards best option out there, I think Warner has look shell shocked and has too many damn hand problems, But I also saw what Warner can do with three good WRs, in a proven offensive sytem. I know Warner can air it out and I wouldn't mind seeing run the Cards offense.
 

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Warner or Brad Johnson, those are the guys left for the Cards to realistically sign. Either one would be interesting.
 

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Cardinals interested in Warner
By Darren Urban, Tribune

The Cardinals are interested in signing veteran quarterback Kurt Warner and have made an initial inquiry, a person familiar with the situation confirmed Sunday.

Warner is still under contract with the New York Giants until Tuesday at 10 p.m. Arizona time. But he will void the second year of his two-year deal at that time, and the Giants have already granted him permission to begin talking to other teams.

"His agent indicated to me that he’s looking for somewhere where he has a chance to be the starter, at least feel like he’s got an even shot to be the starter," Giants general manager Ernie Accorsi said Saturday. "We wanted to be fair with him."

Warner’s agent, Mark Bartelstein, did not return a phone message Sunday. The Cardinals are not allowed to comment about players under contract to other teams.

The Cards have been expected to find another veteran quarterback to challenge current starter Josh McCown. Brad Johnson, who played for coach Dennis Green in Minnesota, has been mentioned as another possible candidate if he is cut by Tampa Bay this week as expected.

McCown, a restricted free agent, was tendered a contract of $1.43 million this week and is expected to sign the oneyear deal. If another team signs him, the Cardinals would receive a first-round pick, so it’s unlikely he’ll get another offer.

Green was asked specifically over the weekend if he will open up the quarterback job this summer to competition or if McCown will be the starter.

"Josh McCown right now is our starting quarterback," Green said. "Will that scenario change as far as the players on our team? I don’t know. What I do know is this: I feel very good about the aggressive approach we can take."

McCown’s agent, Mike McCartney, was diplomatic about the possibility of veteran competition for McCown, saying he was "thrilled" the team gave McCown the first-round tender.

"Dennis Green has stated publicly and privately Josh will be the starter, and we are excited about that," McCartney said. "Josh is a gym rat and has spent hours and hours watching film. I know how hard this kid works and we think he’ll flourish in his second year as a starter."

Warner, who will turn 34 in June, is leaving New York because Eli Manning is entrenched as the starter. It was a Nov. 14 loss to the Cardinals that led coach Tom Coughlin to bench Warner, who had been starting.

"I am not going to be content being a backup, that’s just the bottom line," Warner said prior to the Giants’ regular season finale in December. "I think I showed people and did things here and won games and . . . I have proven I can play and start in this league."

One benefit to having Warner if McCown did win the starting job is that Warner would probably be able to serve as a mentor for the young quarterback, something McCown hasn’t really had in three years in the NFL.

Coughlin praised Warner last week for being able to handle such situations while with the Giants. "Whatever you challenge him with, he will accept it, he will work his way through it," Coughlin said. "I don’t think I’ve ever seen a guy in a circumstance like that bring the maturity and professionalism to the task at hand like he did."

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/index.php?sty=37144
 

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I would have loved to have Kurt Warner as the starter last season and have Josh sit behind him a year or two. But now you have to wonder if Warner can get it done any better than King can. That said I would love to have him on my team and would not mind him as our starter if he clearly beats out Josh. Last season I knew King was really only brought in to be the backup. It was obvious that he could not be a starting QB in the NFL anymore. I just don't want the samething this season with Warner being unable to be a competent starting QB if Josh fails. I think Brad Johnson would be a better fit.
 

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Warner only ever hung onto the ball with NY. Remember with the rams he was snap and throw.

Look at the wr's at the rams and NY and youll understand why. We have much better wr's than NY.

He will not have aproblem hanging on. Because unlike Josh Warner can see open receivers.
 

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CardinalLaw said:
I don't know I just read this part again, and if thats the only reason it might be bogus. Denny likes Veteran QB's and Warner is a Vet so it must be happening.

We are searching for a QB. Warner is available. Should be no surprise if we were to sign him.
 

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I think Warner is clearly better than King. King was dubbed a veteran a little generously, IMO, given that he had little starting experience as a veteran. Warner was reportedly a good team player in NY, and good with Manning - a big improvement over Josh being ignored by Blake, and I don't think King helped his game. We've also got Navarre to think about.The question is, who really has the bigger upside, Warner or Johnson?
 

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We have been watching mediocre play at QB for almost 20 years now (with occasional exceptions). Is the Warner of 99-01 a pipe dream? Perhaps. But he played decent last year and could be motivated with a chance to start and a good group of receivers. So I say the Cardinals should just do it if they can pull it off. I won't totally dismiss McCown, he improved and had some good moments, but needs to be challenged in an open competition for QB.
 

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chickenhead said:
King was dubbed a veteran a little generously, IMO, given that he had little starting experience as a veteran.
Being a vet has nothing to do with the number of snaps you take. Rick Mirer is a veteran, tho he's had precious little starting experinec in the last 10 years, he has been an NFL QB.

King is a veteran, no matter how bad he is.
 

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Yes, the literal definition of veteran is years as a pro player. But I think when used descriptively, it is usually meant to denote experience, which I think King had less of than he was given credit for. Anyway, not really a big deal. I just think Warner has an advantage over King in either case.
 

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Two (not insurmountable) concerns about Warner:

1. Athletes coming back from concussions can often take a couple of years (or more) to regain their reflexes and their "oomph. Last year, Warner performed as though he was still burdened by lingering effects of his concussion the year before. So the big issue has to be - "Is he fully recovered? Or is he likely to be a a tackling dummy back there?"

2. Related concern - To put it mildy, there is room for improvement in Cardinals' pass protection. Question - Would the issue of retaining or releasing Shelton be affected by whether or not we signed Warner?
 

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chickenhead said:
I think Warner is clearly better than King. ?


I love these posts comparing solid qb's to King. What about McCown? All these guys are far better than McCown as well.
 

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To be fair, the discussion was about a veteran that McCown might benefit from playing with, not an either-or.
 

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BigRedFan said:
We have been watching mediocre play at QB for almost 20 years now (with occasional exceptions). Is the Warner of 99-01 a pipe dream? Perhaps. But he played decent last year and could be motivated with a chance to start and a good group of receivers. So I say the Cardinals should just do it if they can pull it off. I won't totally dismiss McCown, he improved and had some good moments, but needs to be challenged in an open competition for QB.

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